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Pocket Monsters XY Pokémon Review Thread

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thelord3

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This is false. SS is not a damaging move in the anime, it's a Status Effect move in the anime, it just doesn't appear to actually confuse the opponents. It moreso "stuns" them like Screech and Metal Sound until the move is no longer active. Boomburst does (special) damage, not SS. And honestly, the altered effect of SS is not really a bad change, it makes sense (realistically), but I won't get into that right now.
I have to disagree with you there mate. Look as far back as battle frontier ark. Will-o-whisp if my memory is correct never left the opponent burned. It just showed that they were damage . Same goes for thunder wave for god's sake. I hate that they do that. If you need a refresher please watch Ash's LAST battle with pyramid king Brandon. Dusklops used Will-o-whisp on charisard. That move should not work on fire types but it did hit him and knock him back. Feel free to check the move's entry in bulbapedia. I'd post the link but I am not sure if it is against the rules or not. But it can be easily confirmed. As far as I Know, and I. Would very well be wrong, the only status moves that have been shown to have effect in the anime were toxic, sleep moves, confusion moves. One could say infatuation moves but their effects is wrong in the anime. And I am not counting the additional effect from regular moves like scald.
Oh the spore and powder moves too.
But thunder wave and Will-o-whisp were just shown as damaging. You might say they STUNNED the opponent, but others might consider that STUN as damage.
Anyway, I am just saying it could be an option. For all I care, they can give him fire blast lol it wouldn't be the first time the writers gave a move to a Pokemon that they couldn't possibly legitimately learn. May also be fun if Ash did combinations with other Pokemon, which certainly isn't his style, example is use forest curse against a dragon Pokemon making him a grass type dual, then pummiling him with talonflam, noivern, hawlucha, or ever aerial acing them with greninja. Actually this sounds more possible since Ash has a plethora of flyers this gen.
 

DS0308

<--- Actually me
People are really overestimating and overpowering Aegislash, Aegislash is just a typical final evolution.

I'm sorry, no. Aegislash is one of the most unique and strongest Pokemon in the game. As long as you know how to use King's Shield to revert to Shield Forme after you attack (which is pretty simple to comprehend) it's effectively a Pokemon with 150 base stats in Att/Def/SpA/SpD, these effective totals rival legendaries. There is no overestimating or overpowering, it's bloody strong. Fact.

Although your response gives the impression you've never used an Aegislash before.
 

Vincentium

Beyond Evolution
Why were the episode threads closed?

In any case, I am looking forward for the Ash-Diantha battle on May 4th! It's quite close to the Alain episode, so I guess this is where the Ash-Greninja complete form be put to the test, and possibly going to be given some serious light to against Mega Gardevoir.
 

DavidD001

Well-Known Member
I cant wait til the Ash vs Diantha episode which happens two episodes after the Ash vs Alain Round 2. it is interesting that Ash will actually have a better match against Diantha this time which is happening before the 8th Gym.
I just wonder when Ash will be regaining Goodra hopefully and if there might be a capture hint after.
 

WaterShuriken

"I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."
Nope. Aegislash is still just a regular final evolution. Just because it has a unique gimmick doesn't mean it will be this super powerful thing in the anime.
 

AuraGuardian448

Aura Guardian
Oh yes, looking forward to next week's episode! The Thunderpunch on that Pikachu, finally, only makes it that more interesting (and better) to me. This is going to be the closest thing to a Serena and Pikachu bond/focused episode to (that I can get), so hopefully it does its best at what its aiming for. I don't just want to see a mindless battle, in short, I want to see Serena and Pikachu in sync.

I have to disagree with you there mate. Look as far back as battle frontier ark. Will-o-whisp if my memory is correct never left the opponent burned. It just showed that they were damage . Same goes for thunder wave for god's sake. I hate that they do that. If you need a refresher please watch Ash's LAST battle with pyramid king Brandon. Dusklops used Will-o-whisp on charisard. That move should not work on fire types but it did hit him and knock him back. Feel free to check the move's entry in bulbapedia. I'd post the link but I am not sure if it is against the rules or not. But it can be easily confirmed. As far as I Know, and I. Would very well be wrong, the only status moves that have been shown to have effect in the anime were toxic, sleep moves, confusion moves. One could say infatuation moves but their effects is wrong in the anime. And I am not counting the additional effect from regular moves like scald.
Oh the spore and powder moves too.
But thunder wave and Will-o-whisp were just shown as damaging. You might say they STUNNED the opponent, but others might consider that STUN as damage.
Anyway, I am just saying it could be an option. For all I care, they can give him fire blast lol it wouldn't be the first time the writers gave a move to a Pokemon that they couldn't possibly legitimately learn. May also be fun if Ash did combinations with other Pokemon, which certainly isn't his style, example is use forest curse against a dragon Pokemon making him a grass type dual, then pummiling him with talonflam, noivern, hawlucha, or ever aerial acing them with greninja. Actually this sounds more possible since Ash has a plethora of flyers this gen.

Your post is quite very flawed. Why... are you recalling of outdated points in time? Will-o-wisp has been used in DP, BW, and XY. But even then, there are some situations where moves are not always going to be accurate because of the narrative of an episode. Secondly, this is about SS, not any other move. Comparisons here are irrelevant because I was not generally talking about status condition attacks, just SS alone.

Your post about Will-o-Wisp not being able to work on Charizard- It didn't act as a status condition move so it was fine actually. (He wasn't burned.) Plus, because the anime is not limited with game (play) mechanics, a WoW can actually still hit Charizard, but just not take on the fire effect Another comparable example being Hawlucha (and any flyer if close enough) being able to get hit by Bone Rush in the anime. This can't happen in the games because of balanced purposes and limitations. This is why I always say the anime and games can only be compared to an extent. Even if the anime wanted to, it couldn't 100% faithfully follow the games precisely. POKEMON ORIGINS is the animated version from the GAME's perspective and even it couldn't accurately portray the games' mechanics faithfully. That says a lot. And it's also because of this fact why the anime needs to stop being criticized as much as it is for not following the games exactly - Water Shuriken not being wave based and the size differing, taking damage from missed attacks that aren't set attacks that cause damage when missing, using move collisions to avoid moves that are either unavoidable or almost, etc, etc, etc.

Your post about Thunder Wave- Again, this move has been accurate in its recent uses and appearances: Clemont's Gym and Olympia's Gym (and more). It has not done damage. Also, Stun =/= Reaction. Because a Pokemon reacts to a move such as TW or SS does not mean it took damage. There are even animation cues that further prove this, but that's where I'll stop.

Of course you're wrong in regards to only those moves working like a status condition move. Electric and sleep related status condition moves have worked exactly like they do in games. Obviously there will be a minor difference due to the reality setting of the anime, as opposed to the turned based games however. Confusion related (sc) moves - SS and Confuse Ray - have been the inaccurate ones recently.

My original point still stands, SS does not do physical damage in the anime (aside from possible internal hearing damage, which is irrelevant), thus it's a status condition move in the anime. It simply just went from direct confusion (as we saw with Palpitoad and others last gen) to "stun" temporarily. Words have different meanings, the way i'm using "stun" in this case should let you know what im talking about.


Sigh, post turned out longer than it was suppose to be. Wanted to keep it short. Oh well..
 
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RickHoenn

Banned
As long as he doesn't end up with Aegislash. I just don't think he deserves something that strong.

YES! Aegislash is a real trouble for me when battling in the games, ugh -_- I hope its anime counterpart isn't that uber, omg...
 

AuraGuardian448

Aura Guardian
If he even regains Goodra at all, I don't think he'd catch any more pokemon in Kalos however cuz he'd have a full team with Goodra back. ^^;

This only happened in AG. While it can happen again in XY,&Z [series] you just need to be aware that Ash would not have to stop at Goodra and can get more, just like in every other generation, especially Johto and Sinnoh where he got full teams and still caught that 6th regional mon anyway. Goodra falls in the "Ash has no idea that it could return to him either", so they can easily repeat the "Ash catches a new mon because he doesn't know Goodra will return to him" (formula) story. It actually has a fair chance of happening since Ash knows he needs a sixth and does not have even the possibility of recalling on Goodra. Only way it wouldn't work is if Goodra returns early enough to beat Ash's anxiousness of getting a 6th mon.

(In no order whatsoever):
- (Op1) Goodra can return as the last mon, essentially pulling a Glalie but in a Gliscor way (league wise).

or

- (Op2) Ash can catch a new mon and it'd be his last, getting the most development from its capture till the conference, pulling a Gible (training and development wise).

or

- (Op3) Ash can catch a new mon and then Goodra can return (later) last (since it's already developed. This would also make Ash's team more varied and stronger, because developing Pokemon who are already nicely developed would be pointless and worse than having one extra mon who can make the team stronger alongside already developed mons). This is not as unrealistic as people think. Goodra is already developed, so they can easily give Ash two more mons (via included Goodra) before the end of the series.
 
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Gillachu

Banned
Why were the episode threads closed?

In any case, I am looking forward for the Ash-Diantha battle on May 4th! It's quite close to the Alain episode, so I guess this is where the Ash-Greninja complete form be put to the test, and possibly going to be given some serious light to against Mega Gardevoir.

In all honesty the match might last only a few minutes lol. I strongly doubt that Greninja will even put up a good fight against Mega Gardevoir.
 

thelord3

Well-Known Member
I actually got a good feeling about that episode. Maybe they will master Night Slash or some dark move to help them in the fight? Diantha could give him advice or something about it. Why do they battle? I am just so darn glad that it's not Pikachu fighting......
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Ash and his friends see a group of Phantump suddenly fall from the sky right before their eyes. While they want to send the Phantump back to their friends, the Phantump have apparently never seen the outside world before and make a huge deal out of everything they see, thinking them extremely intriguing.
And Ash is the perfect person to help show Phantump the wonders of the world so he catches it and the live happily ever after....... One can hope lol
 
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AuraGuardian448

Aura Guardian
I actually got a good feeling about that episode. Maybe they will master Night Slash or some dark move to help them in the fight? Diantha could give him advice or something about it. Why do they battle? I am just so darn glad that it's not Pikachu fighting......

Going to have to say Diantha takes (self) interest in Ash-Greninja and chooses to battle him because of it, just like Alan did. Because Pikachu is the one that's usually used in these type of battles, which makes logical sense. Other mons, Torterra, are only used when there's specific focus on them, not to mention Pikachu against a Ground Type Specialist in the Elite 4 would have simply been repugnant. Greninja will be the second, and it's more than likely going to be because of its unique/rare/something you don't see everyday form. It's either that or some kind of respectful battles of the like-Megas-- Megas suppose to be fighting other Megas (norm). The former is more realistic though, honestly.

Technically, Ash's battle with Diantha was unfinished, so Pikachu should actually have priority to be used again, especially since this isn't a different member of the Elite 4 to give other mons some of the high level action that Pikachu already got from Diantha, so it has to be some kind of Greninja focused situation. It's the only way to out-prioritize Pikachu's rightful inclusion.

You're better off saying the blue blades as opposed to Night Slash, because Night Slash is not hinted or implied to be learned by Greninja, we just know it will learn some type blue bladed move.
 
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ShadowForce720

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I hope they reveal more than one episode some time later.

or at the very least give us some broadcast data for some more episodes. If the data broadcast we get is for around 10 episodes then that would cover the rest of May, all of June and the first two weeks of July.
 
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Mrs. Oreo

Banned
This only happened in AG. While it can happen again in XY,&Z [series] you just need to be aware that Ash would not have to stop at Goodra and can get more, just like in every other generation, especially Johto and Sinnoh where he got full teams and still caught that 6th regional mon anyway. Goodra falls in the "Ash has no idea that it could return to him either", so they can easily repeat the "Ash catches a new mon because he doesn't know Goodra will return to him" (formula) story. It actually has a fair chance of happening since Ash knows he needs a sixth and does not have even the possibility of recalling on Goodra. Only way it wouldn't work is if Goodra returns early enough to beat Ash's anxiousness of getting a 6th mon.

But I don't really see why he'd need to catch another pokemon after he completes his XYZ team of six tho since this saga is ending this year any ways. I'd hate to see him ditch a pokemon that we're used to seeing in his Kalos team like Hawlucha for instance just to get a new last minute addition. ^^;
 

ShadowForce720

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But I don't really see why he'd need to catch another pokemon after he completes his XYZ team of six tho since this saga is ending this year any ways. I'd hate to see him ditch a pokemon that we're used to seeing in his Kalos team like Hawlucha for instance just to get a new last minute addition. ^^;

I'm pretty sure he was saying that if Goodra returns earlier then expected and Ash still doesn't have a 6th capture at that point and Goodra rejoins the team then Ash won't get a 6th capture. Now however if Goodra isn't returning at all or isn't returing until right before or during the league then Ash could still get a 6th capture and they could just have Goodra show up returning right before or during the league like how Ash getting Gible didn't stop Gliscor from returning only this case with the 6th capture for the Kalos team it's not necessarily replacing Goodra considering when Goodra was left at the swamp the next pokemon that Ash got that took it's place was Noibat which evolved into Noivern.

So Ash really either way Ash doesn't have to ditch any of his pokemon for a 6th capture since if he does get a 6th capture then when he would have only 5 pokemon when he meets it because the writers would then just have Goodra return right before or during the league in that way they wouldn't have to worry about making room for the 6th capture, because lets face it, it would be completely pointless to have Goodra return unexpectedly early just to wind up having to figure out what pokemon to leave somewhere or oaked just to make room for a 6th capture, as it would make more sense to have Ash get the 6th capture before Goodra returns and then just have Goodra return either right before or during the league.
 
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