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Pokémon Anime Versus Thread v4

TheCrazyMaster

Well-Known Member
Alright, I got a new batch of matchups featuring Ash’s Pokémon, so who do you think would win?

Tauros nr 14 vs Tauros nr 23
Tauros nr 7 vs Tauros nr 25
Tauros nr 13 vs Tauros nr 26
Tauros nr 14 vs Tauros nr 27
Tauros nr 13 vs Tauros nr 19
Tauros nr 6 vs Tauros nr 17
Tauros nr 5 vs Tauros nr 9
Tauros nr 9 vs Tauros nr 29
Tauros nr 17 vs Tauros nr 30
Tauros nr 6 vs Tauros nr 30
Tauros nr 14 vs Tauros nr 17
Tauros nr 3 vs Tauros nr 18
Tauros nr 5 vs Tauros nr 29
Tauros nr 23 vs Tauros nr 27
Tauros nr 4 vs Tauros nr 16
And finally…
Tauros nr 1 vs Tauros nr 13 and 30
 

Dark_King25

Shillmon Defender
Alright, I got a new batch of matchups featuring Ash’s Pokémon, so who do you think would win?

Tauros nr 14 vs Tauros nr 23
Tauros nr 7 vs Tauros nr 25
Tauros nr 13 vs Tauros nr 26
Tauros nr 14 vs Tauros nr 27
Tauros nr 13 vs Tauros nr 19
Tauros nr 6 vs Tauros nr 17
Tauros nr 5 vs Tauros nr 9
Tauros nr 9 vs Tauros nr 29
Tauros nr 17 vs Tauros nr 30
Tauros nr 6 vs Tauros nr 30
Tauros nr 14 vs Tauros nr 17
Tauros nr 3 vs Tauros nr 18
Tauros nr 5 vs Tauros nr 29
Tauros nr 23 vs Tauros nr 27
Tauros nr 4 vs Tauros nr 16
And finally…
Tauros nr 1 vs Tauros nr 13 and 30
Kenny's breloom
 

Lord Godwin

The Lord of Darkness
Not sure if done before:
Ash Dragonite vs Lance's Dragonite
Lance Dragonite vs Iris' Dragonite
Iris' Dragonite vs Ash's Dragonite
 

Dark_King25

Shillmon Defender
Based on their recent battles who would win?
Friede's Charizard vs Captain Pikachu?
 

Lord Godwin

The Lord of Darkness
How far in Ash Master 8 Battles (vs Steven, vs Cynthia, vs Leon) would the following Teams reach:
Ash Journeys Team (Dragonite, Gengar, Lucario, Sirfetch'd, Dracovish) + the following Ace:
1. JN Team + Ash's Charizard
2. JN Team + Ash's Sceptile
3. JN Team + Ash's Infernape
4. JN Team + Ash's Krookodile
5. JN Team + Ash's Greninja (can go to Ash-Greninja)
6. JN Team + Ash's Lycanroc (with one of it's Z-moves)
7. JN Team + Ash's Melmetal
8. JN Team + Ash's Naganadel (with Electrium-Z)
9. JN Team + Ash's Incineroar (taking Torracat feats + Firizum-Z)
10. JN Team + Nebby

Basically mentioned Pokemon substitude for Pikachu. They go alongside Gengar and Dracovish (can use their gimmick or Gengar G-maxes vs Steven) and then in full Battle vs Cynthia (either we stay with Mega Lucario or anohter Gimmick can be used) and can 3 gimmick vs Leon
 

Damerdal

[Dam]n h[er] Gan[dal]f!
How far in Ash Master 8 Battles (vs Steven, vs Cynthia, vs Leon) would the following Teams reach:
Ash Journeys Team (Dragonite, Gengar, Lucario, Sirfetch'd, Dracovish) + the following Ace:
1. JN Team + Ash's Charizard
2. JN Team + Ash's Sceptile
3. JN Team + Ash's Infernape
4. JN Team + Ash's Krookodile
5. JN Team + Ash's Greninja (can go to Ash-Greninja)
6. JN Team + Ash's Lycanroc (with one of it's Z-moves)
7. JN Team + Ash's Melmetal
8. JN Team + Ash's Naganadel (with Electrium-Z)
9. JN Team + Ash's Incineroar (taking Torracat feats + Firizum-Z)
10. JN Team + Nebby

Basically mentioned Pokemon substitude for Pikachu. They go alongside Gengar and Dracovish (can use their gimmick or Gengar G-maxes vs Steven) and then in full Battle vs Cynthia (either we stay with Mega Lucario or anohter Gimmick can be used) and can 3 gimmick vs Leon

Honestly, it's impossible to say.

Ash didn't use his reserves for any official battles in Journeys. Now, Greninja outclassed Lucario in a training battle, Infernape struggled against a wild Moltres, and Corphish lost in a casual battle against Misty's Politoed. These don't exactly tell us clearly where the reserves lie compared to the JN Pokemon. It's honestly hard to say whether the JN team was that stupidly overpowered, or Ash's apparent Champion-esque skills now automatically boost any Pokemon he whips out in a serious battle.

I think Leon is still unbeatable if he actually enforced proper rules against Ash. At the very least, I think Ash can win against Steven and Cynthia with Charizard, Greninja, and Sceptile, and maybe Infernape too if Ash can get Blaze to activate.

Also, why is your gauntlet only the regional aces + the SM Pokemon? Snorlax, Swellow, and Bulbasaur are arguably better than most of the SM Pokemon for example.
 

Black_Flash

Member
Ash's Greninja (Kalos) vs Tobias's Darkrai who wins
I think Greninja's scaling from fighting Alain's Charizard and Diantha's Mega Gardevoir allows Ash to take this without much difficulty
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Ash's Greninja (Kalos) vs Tobias's Darkrai who wins
I think Greninja's scaling from fighting Alain's Charizard and Diantha's Mega Gardevoir allows Ash to take this without much difficulty
If Ash's Sceptile could defeat it, I guess Ash's Greninja should be able as well
 

Damerdal

[Dam]n h[er] Gan[dal]f!
Ash's Greninja (Kalos) vs Tobias's Darkrai who wins
I think Greninja's scaling from fighting Alain's Charizard and Diantha's Mega Gardevoir allows Ash to take this without much difficulty

Legendaries have consistently been depicted as among the most powerful Pokemon to defeat in the anime. Even while Journeys showed that apparently newly caught Pokemon can take down Elite 4 and Champion Pokemon.

Greninja's best win is beating Sawyer's Mega Sceptile.

Mega Charizard X fought against Legendaries too, but wasn't shown beating them.

Moreover, Greninja having a good showing but still losing during his third attempt against an already weakened Mega Charizard (thanks to Pikachu) who was still standing and looking like it had some left in the tank at the end =/= Greninja being scaled upwards to take down Legendaries with ease.

Do I think Greninja can win? Sure, but it would definitely be with a lot of difficulty.

Sceptile's win against Darkrai is arguably the greatest feat of any of Ash's Pokemon outside of Pikachu and the Journeys team.
 

Black_Flash

Member
Ash has been competing with legendaries since his BF days, so their power definitely varies

Like are we saying that Greninja would have any difficulty against Brandon's Regice (who BF Pikachu beat)?

In any case Darkrai itself only has scaling above Sinnoh ash mons, none of them being apart of Ash's best team by the end of Kalos (best team being his Kalos mons + Pikachu), and Darkrai wasn't even able to take on the entirety of a Sinnoh ash team. His stats aren't enough to even remotely compete against the best Pokemon of the best team
 

Black_Flash

Member
Legendaries have consistently been depicted as among the most powerful Pokemon to defeat in the anime. Even while Journeys showed that apparently newly caught Pokemon can take down Elite 4 and Champion Pokemon.

Greninja's best win is beating Sawyer's Mega Sceptile.

Mega Charizard X fought against Legendaries too, but wasn't shown beating them.

Moreover, Greninja having a good showing but still losing during his third attempt against an already weakened Mega Charizard (thanks to Pikachu) who was still standing and looking like it had some left in the tank at the end =/= Greninja being scaled upwards to take down Legendaries with ease.

Do I think Greninja can win? Sure, but it would definitely be with a lot of difficulty.

Sceptile's win against Darkrai is arguably the greatest feat of any of Ash's Pokemon outside of Pikachu and the Journeys team.

Even in XY110, Noivern keeps up with legendary Pokemon Zapdos and knocks it out momentarily with Boomburst

The only guarantee about legendaries is that they're stronger than non legendaries on average. With enough training, many legendaries can be defeated in combat, even by typically average pokemon
 
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