Pokémon Direct - September 4th - Discussion Thread

[Draknir]

Problem not solved. Cross gen transfers have always been free forever, suddenly adding a price tag to them is extortion.

It's less options for the same amount of money, that's the problem.

While it is technically extortion, the Pokemon Bank is not solely to transfer old Pokemon. You get more than that, so a minimal fee each year is not that bad.

I believe the main name for the fee is that servers cost a lot of money. Rather than pay for them with the money generated by X and Y, which will dwindle over time, the best option is to ask for a fee from the people who are using it. Also, the service is going to be used for Generations to come. Its not like this will end after Gen VI.

Believe me, they could be worse. Imagine if you had a five dollar fee each month or you had an annual sixty dollar fee just to use the Pokemon Bank.

 

[Chris-kun]

I have no problem with being charged for the cloud storage services. I have a problem with being charged for cross gen transfers. If I'm paying $40 for a game, I expect to get my money's worth. The game is losing value by taking a feature that is traditionally free and locking it behind a paywall, that decreases the game's value.

Well you're being charged for the cloud. Don't you think that if there was a free way to transfer that Gamefreak would have done it? Why do you just assume there's a free easy way to do it without this cloud service, which is what's actually costing you money not the transfer feature. Gamefreak over the years have been very good about not charging when they don't have to, they've never charged for events they've never had "DLC," hell, they didn't charge for the wireless adaptor that came with FRLG or the Pokewalker, as far as I remember. The charge is for the cloud service, the transfer feature just requires it because maybe, just maybe, there's not another way to do it because of hardware limitations or software limitations.

 

[Bramblefire]

I have no problem with being charged for the cloud storage services. I have a problem with being charged for cross gen transfers. If I'm paying $40 for a game, I expect to get my money's worth. The game is losing value by taking a feature that is traditionally free and locking it behind a paywall, that decreases the game's value.

Then there should be no problem with the transfer. If anything, the transfer is a feature of the Bank not the game, and is free in of itself. If they charged for the Pokemon Transporter as well, then I'd agree with you.

 

[Ditto24]

I have no problem with being charged for the cloud storage services. I have a problem with being charged for cross gen transfers. If I'm paying $40 for a game, I expect to get my money's worth. The game is losing value by taking a feature that is traditionally free and locking it behind a paywall, that decreases the game's value.

In all fairness though is there really anything else they could have done? I imagine it's cost alot for them to have this Bank set up and to keep it afloat for however long they need to. They will have to make something off of it. Plus GF didn't have to make it so you can transfer them, $5 a year to keep you $40 copy of B/W/B2/W2 alive is a pretty decent trade off imo.

 

[King Shuckle]

I wouldn't call it extortion so much as a transfer of who's getting the short end of the stick. Up until now it was the people who either didn't have people to trade with or a second system; the only difference now is that the people who were prepared then have to shell out $5 to do their business. It sucks (but not that much) for the previously prepared, but I'd say it's an acceptable thing. Especially given the future compatibility of the feature.

"Shell out?" If you have issues gathering $5 a year, the last thing you should be doing is buying a $40 Pokemon game. You should spend that money on figuring out why you can't afford $5 a year.

 

[Chris-kun]

In all fairness, the Poké Transfer in Generation V required a whole second Nintendo DS system to work. If that isn't a paywall, I don't know what is.

+1

5 dollars vs. 130/160/190 for a second 2/3DS

 

[Reiji Kurosaky]

Well you're being charged for the cloud. Don't you think that if there was a free way to transfer that Gamefreak would have done it? Why do you just assume there's a free easy way to do it without this cloud service, which is what's actually costing you money not the transfer feature. Gamefreak over the years have been very good about not charging when they don't have to, they've never charged for events they've never had "DLC," hell, they didn't charge for the wireless adaptor that came with FRLG or the Pokewalker, as far as I remember. The charge is for the cloud service, the transfer feature just requires it because maybe, just maybe, there's not another way to do it because of hardware limitations or software limitations.

Doubtful. How can there be hardware limitations when the 3DS is more capable than the DS. How can there be software limitations when GF has been doing it for the past 15 years?

I am pretty sure (although just speculation) that there will be a cloudless way to transfer pokémon, just that they will be 6 at a time instead of 450 in a single try.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Well you're being charged for the cloud. Don't you think that if there was a free way to transfer that Gamefreak would have done it? Why do you just assume there's a free easy way to do it without this cloud service, which is what's actually costing you money not the transfer feature. Gamefreak over the years have been very good about not charging when they don't have to, they've never charged for events they've never had "DLC," hell, they didn't charge for the wireless adaptor that came with FRLG or the Pokewalker, as far as I remember. The charge is for the cloud service, the transfer feature just requires it because maybe, just maybe, there's not another way to do it because of hardware limitations or software limitations.

Could they not simply make a free version that has only transfer features and not cloud features? That's the only part of this that needs to be free.

Doubtful. How can there be hardware limitations when the 3DS is more capable than the DS. How can there be software limitations when GF has been doing it for the past 15 years?

I am pretty sure (although just speculation) that there will be a cloudless way to transfer pokémon, just that they will be 6 at a time instead of 450 in a single try.

It's a compatibility issue. They said back at E3 that they were having trouble with transfers because of some sort of technical limitation that prevents DS and 3DS games from communicating with each other.

 

[ShikabaneHime13]

Well, technically speaking, Pokemon Bank isn't in the game, so yeah. What's to clarify? On the main site it says that you insert your 5th Generation game of your choice on your 3DS, open the app, and transfer from your in-game boxes to the Pokemon Bank. It's all mostly online. Not only that, but you can store Pokemon from both X and Y and transfer them to both without needing 2 3DS games.

I'm rather confused by the complaints here. People asked for transfer from 5th generation games. They got it. People asked for transfer that doesn't require more than one 3DS. They got it. The service will be universal with any and all future Pokemon games. GameFreak had to spend a great deal of time and money to develop something that would not only be cross-generational, but cross-handheld as well. Honestly, paying for an annual fee with a free trial is not a big deal, and this cockamamie "extortion" nonsense really needs to cease from existence. Now sit down, shut up, pay your annual fee, and play the damn game.

My sentiments exactly! People are jumping the gun before they get all their facts straight. I think the fee is reasonable. Had they said per month, then I might be a little iffy, but annual is much better and straightforward

 

[Citizen Insane]

"Shell out?" If you have issues gathering $5 a year, the last thing you should be doing is buying a $40 Pokemon game. You should spend that money on figuring out why you can't afford $5 a year.

It's not about affording, it is about the principle of SPENDING your money. Some people would rather spend their 5$ on something else ya know and they are entitled to share their opinions. Don't compare spendig money on Pokémon Bank with an actual Pokémon game, it somehow doesn't make any sense.

 

[DSDark]

There seems to be some confusion on both the pokemon bank and poke transporter.

Pokemon Bank is a cloud base storage system where you store your pokemon in your own personal bank. Pokemon will be uploaded to the cloud from a pokemon bank application that will be downloaded from eshop on December 25th in Japan (other dates are unknown at this time). When first released there will be a free trail period where you can access all of pokemon bank without the annual fee. After the trail period end there will be a required annual fee. Pokemon bank is only accessed through pokemon x and y

Pokemon transporter is a completely free application also for the 3DS, that will download alongside pokemon bank. This application is used to transfer pokemon from BW and BW2 to your pokemon bank cloud storage. Pokemon transporter is only used by Generation 5 games and does not directly communicate with the 3DS version of pokemon bank.

 

[Akashin]

Could they not simply make a free version that has only transfer features and not cloud features? That's the only part of this that needs to be free.

Except this transfer feature depends upon the cloud feature; you can't have one without the other here. Making a free version of that probably wouldn't be viable.

Pokemon transporter is a completely free application also for the 3DS, that will download alongside pokemon bank. This application is used to transfer pokemon from BW and BW2 to your pokemon bank cloud storage. Pokemon transporter is only used by Generation 5 games and does not directly communicate with the 3DS version of pokemon bank.

Oh, really? Disregard above comment then; thanks for the clarification.

 

[Lucario At Service]

Hacked Pokemon are Pokemon created using cheat codes (such as Action Replay), PokeGen, PokeSAV, online Pokemon creators/generators, Pokemon with unreleased hidden abilities, inconsistent moves, abilities, wrong levels, IDs, etc...

Basically, if your Pokemon is not obtained by legitimate means (in-game capture, born from legit eggs, legit trades, or downloaded from official Pokemon events), then you can't transfer it.

One question, does a pokemon born from a egg whose parents were Hacked Pokemon is considered a Legitimate or a Illegitimate pokemons (i.e., a baby pokemon whose stats weren't messed with but its parents stats were).

 

[PMG]

I wonder if yearly subscribers will get special Pokémon events?

One question, does a pokemon born from a egg whose parents where Hacked Pokemon are considered Legitimate or Illegitimate pokemons (i.e., a baby pokemon whose stats weren't messed with but its parents stats were).

debatable really as the pokemon is from 2 hacks but is created by the game the only way to tell for sure is try to transfer it

 

[thetamale]

One question, does a pokemon born from a egg whose parents where Hacked Pokemon are considered Legitimate or Illegitimate pokemon.

I've been asking this question for several pages but people are still arguing about £3.

 

[Kyubeon]

Location , level obtained , Trainer ID (for event Pokemon) , Stats , Moves and if it was bred from an egg (for legendaries except Phione and Manaphy)

For example , a Lv.1 Reshiram that was found on Route 7 is hacked.

You should check the Hack-Check thread to see if your Pokemon are considred illegal or not.

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?497187-Hack-Check-Thread

hmm I checked this out but I didn't really find anything to help my question. I kno theyre hacked as I hacked them but I only shiny hack. location, moves, etc are all natural so im curious if itll detect them.

 

[Kyubeon]

I've been asking this question for several pages but people are still arguing about £3.

idk im not getting to much useful feedback either

 

[Akashin]

One question, does a pokemon born from a egg whose parents were Hacked Pokemon is considered a Legitimate or a Illegitimate pokemons (i.e., a baby pokemon whose stats weren't messed with but its parents stats were).

I'd guess illegal, because otherwise a Hidden Ability Snivy born from an illegal female one would be considered legit. Don't take my word for it, though.

 

[Kratos The Pokemon master]

There seems to be some confusion on both the pokemon bank and poke transporter.

Pokemon Bank is a cloud base storage system where you store your pokemon in your own personal bank. Pokemon will be uploaded to the cloud from a pokemon bank application that will be downloaded from eshop on December 25th in Japan (other dates are unknown at this time). When first released there will be a free trail period where you can access all of pokemon bank without the annual fee. After the trail period end there will be a required annual fee. Pokemon bank is only accessed through pokemon x and y

Pokemon transporter is a completely free application also for the 3DS, that will download alongside pokemon bank. This application is used to transfer pokemon from BW and BW2 to your pokemon bank cloud storage. Pokemon transporter is only used by Generation 5 games and does not directly communicate with the 3DS version of pokemon bank.

But it says on the main Serebii page that : "Poké Transporter comes when you purchase Pokémon Bank."

I'm really hoping for PokeTransporter to be free.

I think we might need confirmation from a source about this matter.

 

[EverChanger]

One question, does a pokemon born from a egg whose parents were Hacked Pokemon is considered a Legitimate or a Illegitimate pokemons (i.e., a baby pokemon whose stats weren't messed with but its parents stats were).

I'm pretty sure that it would be let through, purely because it would not appear as hacked. The only scenario I can think of is if it had its Hidden Ability bred onto it when none of its possible parents were available with their Hidden Abilities.

EDIT: Also, the only way to directly cross-reference the parents would be to store the parents' data with the child, which would basically triple the size of the Pokémon. It'd get even bigger if you start to track grandparents, and that'd get really big, really fast. So basically, a Pokémon cannot be considered illegal purely based on the fact that its parents are illegal.