Pokémon Sun & Moon Discovery Discussion Thread [Contains Story Spoilers]

[Happy Hydreigon]

Can someone explain how exactly Hyper Training works, and is there a Super Training equivalent for IVs?

 

[GDK]

The pokebank is only going to comeback in 2017, by that time most people would already have finished the game without the dex, besides most of us don't even have the 1 free year anymore.

Why would they put the National Dex in the Pokébank if they are going to add in the game itself?

This is just a way to make us pay for the Pokébank.

Well As it was said, to fill the national dex, you have to pay for the bank anyways (or hack but that's illegal) so no matter what the national dex will be put behind a pay wall.
But I wonder, will the lack of national dex be a problem for the GTS?

 

[Thepowaofhax]

Well As it was said, to fill the national dex, you have to pay for the bank anyways (or hack but that's illegal) so no matter what the national dex will be put behind a pay wall.
But I wonder, will the lack of national dex be a problem for the GTS?

I don't think it will be given we have the search feature available like in Gen 6.

 

[oarfish]

I know I will get Greninja'd on this thread.

Here is how I understand Hyper Training. This is not only for people asking about it, but for others, including myself.
From what I have read so far, both on this thread and elsewhere, the bottle caps raise a Pokémon's stats up to as if the IV's were 31. They do not actually make the IV's 31.
The silver caps raise one stat while the gold caps raise all stats. Of course the Pokémon must be level 100 for this to work.

Here is an example. Let's say you have a level 100 Gyarados with a spread of 31/x/31/31/31/31. Yes, you got that bad luck in breeding for it to miss its Attack stat.
You could supposedly use either type of bottle cap, but the silver one would be enough for it to have stats as if it had flawless IV's. Its spread would be unchanged though, so for breeding and hidden power, it would still be 31/x/31/31/31/31. Gold bottle caps could be used I think, but it would not be better than a silver in this case.

Now if you had a Gyarados with a spread of like 15/14/13/15/16/20, a gold would be preferable for better stats. It would supposedly, as I understand it, raise the stats of the level 100 Gyarados to something that would seem as it had flawless IV's. But again, for breeding/HP, nothing would change.

I hope this helps, it sure helped me figure it out. And again, Greninja'ing incoming.

EDIT: Wow, I was Greninja'd, but I was the first to answer that guy's question. Ok then.
And if I am incorrect somewhere in this post, please feel free to let me know.

 

[theswweet]

why are these people who haven't even informed themselves on the new features nor played the games themselves are trying to argue with me about things that i know it's confirmed and i know how it's works?

Don't go making assumptions, thank you.

 

[thiagomestres]

If Bank has the National Dex and we have to pay extra for something that SHOULD BE in the dang game, that's it, I'm done with the franchise. Let's hope we can get it for free because not everyone uses the Bank and that would be a jerkish move to force us use it.

That wasn't even an option for me until now.

But after seeing how many people refuse to admit those things are indeed flaws, i really doubt Game Freak is going to change their stance, so i might aswell give up now too.

 

[Thepowaofhax]

That wasn't even an option for me until now.

But after seeing how many people refuse to admit those things are indeed flaws, i really doubt Game Freak is going to change their stance, so i might aswell give up now too.

It is a bit of a flaw, I can't lie, I just hope this doesn't make it harder to get these Pokemon to begin with.

 

[Orphalesion]

So on another topic, I'm trying to avoid the story spoilers, but is it correct that UBs are NOT legendaries and are NOT unique? That actually makes them quite a bit more interesting to me, though if its the case it's also a bit of a bummer than none of them evolves.

 

[Thepowaofhax]

So on another topic, I'm trying to avoid the story spoilers, but is it correct that UBs are NOT legendaries and are NOT unique? That actually makes them quite a bit more interesting to me, though if its the case it's also a bit of a bummer than none of them evolves.

They're not legendaries for the most part, and most UBs have at least one other UB of its kind running around, except for Nihelego. That one is forever alone.

 

[future.newyorker]

So on another topic, I'm trying to avoid the story spoilers, but is it correct that UBs are NOT legendaries and are NOT unique? That actually makes them quite a bit more interesting to me, though if its the case it's also a bit of a bummer than none of them evolves.

They are not considered legendaries in their own world, and no, they are not unique, you can catch multiples of UB-02 and UB-04, maybe the others too, I don't remember.

 

[janejane6178]

But why should a downloaded game (The original one, not the leaked rom) be laggy, rather than an un digital one?

 

[Endless]

So on another topic, I'm trying to avoid the story spoilers, but is it correct that UBs are NOT legendaries and are NOT unique? That actually makes them quite a bit more interesting to me, though if its the case it's also a bit of a bummer than none of them evolves.

Some are unique and some have a higher but finite amount you can catch. Non of them can breed so you can't get as many as you wish.
If they are legendary or not honestly depends on what you consider the criteria.

 

[theswweet]

So on another topic, I'm trying to avoid the story spoilers, but is it correct that UBs are NOT legendaries and are NOT unique? That actually makes them quite a bit more interesting to me, though if its the case it's also a bit of a bummer than none of them evolves.

Between Phione, the whole Cosmog->Solgaleo/Lunala situation, and now the UBs I honestly think we're going to have to rethink the distinctions for "legendaries".

 

[future.newyorker]

But why should a downloaded game (The original one, not the leaked rom) be laggy, rather than an un digital one?

I don't believe the downloaded official released game will be laggy. Just the rom that is going around.

 

[janejane6178]

I don't believe the downloaded official released game will be laggy. Just the rom that is going around.

I really hope you're right

 

[future.newyorker]

Between Phione, the whole Cosmog->Solgaleo/Lunala situation, and now the UBs I honestly think we're going to have to rethink the distinctions for "legendaries".

I think that "Legendary" should really be defined as, "those Pokémon spoken of in legends." Mythical Pokémon are completely different to that.

 

[Orphalesion]

Thanks for the answers everyone Really excited for the UBs now.

Between Phione, the whole Cosmog->Solgaleo/Lunala situation, and now the UBs I honestly think we're going to have to rethink the distinctions for "legendaries".

That is true! *nod nod* But I have to say I'm a big fan of the Cosmog -> Cover Legendary thing I speculated about evolving legendaries months and months ago and am pretty exited that they now, apparently, exist in some form. Them always being standalones was one of the things that caused me to lose interest in them when I was still a kid.

I think that "Legendary" should really be defined as, "those Pokémon spoken of in legends." Mythical Pokémon are completely different to that.

Do you mean from a gameplay point of view? Because legend and myth are words that are pretty much synonymous with each other.

Maybe we get another group to round it all off; folktale pokemon (j/k here, don't take that suggestion seriously)

 

[janejane6178]

I think that "Legendary" should really be defined as, "those Pokémon spoken of in legends." Mythical Pokémon are completely different to that.

I think so too. Therefore, I dont consider UB's as legendaries.

 

[theswweet]

Also, don't be so quick to assume that UBs can't be legendaries... There's a story reason why.

 

[GDK]

That wasn't even an option for me until now.

But after seeing how many people refuse to admit those things are indeed flaws, i really doubt Game Freak is going to change their stance, so i might aswell give up now too.

It IS a flaw but will it ruin the game? No
The game has flaws, but you keep blowing them out of proportion by comparing it to the last game.