Pokémon that Improved or Lost with the change of the Metagame

[Eerie Fuwante]

Mods-please lock.-Go to Eszett's topic in the D/P board to discuss this.

Here is a thread to discuss the consequencies on each pokemon after the metagame change.

Please post in this form:

Pokemon:
Improved or Lost?:
Why?:

Here are some:

Sceptile
Lost
Why:His basic movepool that was filled with Special moves that became physical: Crunch, Leaf Blade, Dragon Claw and Thunder Punch.

Alakazam
Lost
Why: The elemental punches became physical.

Salamance
Improved
Why: He now has Physical STAB with a powerful move: Dragon Claw.

Gardevoir
Improved
Why: With Shadow Ball becoming special Gardy has topped Alakazam.

 

[Krug]

There's a thread on this "/

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=131047

 

[Mequuh]

The two threads are diffrent.

Gengar can now actually use sludge bomb and shadow ball effectivley.

 

[Krug]

The two threads are diffrent.

Gengar can now actually use sludge bomb and shadow ball effectivley.

Wait,now I see my bad./
Still, Salamence+Dragon claw+STAB=OWNED heh heh *evil glint*

 

[Eerie Fuwante]

Special sweepers really are improving with this. Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball, Earthquake, Rock Slide and some other moves strong moves.

 

[Mequuh]

Expecially after a dragon dance or two.

 

[Lord of the pants]

Crawdaunt: Improved
Physical stab with crabhammer

 

[Vycksta]

Well Sneasel and Weavile have benefitted thanks to the now physical Ice Punch and new attack Shadow Claw... and possibly Faint Attack as well. "Draws the enemy close then strikes without fail".

 

[Volteon]

Jolteon: Improoved!
With Shadow ball it´s now a Psychic mega counter, ALSO Aerodactyl´s earthquake won´t fear it!

Groundon: LOL! Lost!
Special Earthquake and Rockslide!
The only good this is that with is the Cherimu´s ability it will power up.

Most Dark Pokémon: Improoved
Now that most dark attacks are Psychical and they have a good base attack, let´s fear it!

Salamence... I need to write this one?

Snorlax: Lost.
Special Shadow ball and sefdestruct...

 

[Kikas123]

Gyardos Lost out on Hyperbeam, not much but he did, but then He gained on Bite.

 

[Eerie Fuwante]

Wobbufett
Improved
Its now easier to predict opponents attack pattern.

Espeon
Improved
Special Shadow Ball.

Got to go.>.<

 

[Volteon]

Few more:

Swampert:
Lost.
Cursepert especially.

Porygon2: Improoved
It got some new special attacks to make his already good movepool even better!

Donphan: lost
What it´ll do with earthquake and rock slide?

Shedinja: Lost.
It had just two useful attacking moves, which are now special >.<

Lunatone: imroved
Calm mind + Ice beam/ STABed Rock Slide/ STABed Psychic=

Regirock: Lost.
Explosion, Rock Slide, Earthquake, are all special now, what he´ll do with 50 base S.attack?

Regice: Improved!
Opposite of Regirock, Explosion will hurt a lot.

 

[Comray001]

Explosion is now special! Dam you GF! Snorlax is useless now.

 

[Lord of the pants]

Dragonite
Improved
Physical Dragon claw

 

[Krug]

Explosion is now special! Dam you GF! Snorlax is useless now.

As well as Muk and the legendary rock XP

 

[Eerie Fuwante]

Charizard
Improved
Special Earthquake and Rock Slide.

Groudon
Lost
Special Earthquake and Rockslide.

Scyther
Lost
Special Silver Wind with 55 Sp.Atk?>.<

Slaking
Lost
It lost Earthquake, Rock Slide and Shadow Ball.

Vaporeon, Espeon and Jolteon
Improved
Special based Shadow Ball and Jolt wont suffer with Aerodactyl's CB Earthquake.

Muk
Lost
With special based Sludge Bomb and Explosion.

 

[Evanji Axu]

Mightyena gained big time. But Typhlo-baby lost Thunderpunch. If I'm lucky, EQ and RS will be special. That would make up for it.

 

[Orion-Sama]

Maybe we should wait for D/P to be actually released to say something? There's a BIG chance Earthquake and Rock Slide will remain Physical. So far, the only change is in regards of Punches, and any other move that uses/doesn't uses the body. It doesn't means that all non-contact will become Special and all contact will become Physical on the spot. Still, I know as much as you do...

I refrain to say anything now, for reasons stated above. Just that Pinsir is screwed unless he gets the needed Bug Move that's actually Physical. And that'll only hold ground if Hidden Power becomes Special regardless of Type...

 

[Nightcat]

Shuckle
Depends
Why: If Rock Slide becomes special and Wrap doesn't, it is slightly screwed. Even though usually Toxic>Wrap.

~Nightcat ;197;

 

[Krug]

My Machamp has a new lease on life elemental punch style >: D
But yeah,Evanji Axu is right unless EQ isn't physical we've just lost the coolest 2nd stage fire X4.