Except, Charizard can't really be considered "fresh" when it took damage from Pikachu. Mega Houndoom did bring down Charizard to fainting/red bar level. This is point evidence shown when Charizard was about to crash in the next turn or two until it used it BB.
Yes but Malva only lost to him once, the outcome may or may not change if they fought again, but both had Charizard in the red and both have fainted to Charizard strongest move. I'll explain this a bit more towards the bottom of my post.
Because I disagree with your certain beliefs makes me undermining AG's power? Get real. I never said the trainers were rubbish or Malva's the worst E4 trainer. Evidently, you did, though, multiple times.
If I wanted to play the advocate then, AG deflected multiple hits, broke through Diantha's defenses, outsped + read through Diantha and Gardevoir's nonverbal communication, landed hits, Diantha was shown with the visual sweat drop on the side of her head, dialogue from Serena stated she would have been defeated if she didn't Mega Evolve, and she couldn't manage to block an attack of AG's Water Shuriken without taking damage/getting knocked back. (People try to painfully argue Diantha was holding back or not serious, but that was objectively only true for a quarter of the beginning of the fight.) She clearly tried to things (dodge, attack, defend) but it all failed.
If that is the case, from that alone, puts AG >champion level.
Though this may be true for the rest of the other battles, I still disagree with you on terms for Mega Alakazam as it would make sense for it shows it going down in the initial turn Charizard got within the range M-Alakazam using Dragon claw.
My answer the anime studio didn't forget this time to put Charizard received actual damage. Or it showed after taking multiple hits Charizard scuff marks were shown visible.
That's your conjecture. He seemed pretty fine my standpoint, and there wasn't any dialogue from Alain Charizard was getting "tired" from battling.
Unless stated or implied then yes. I 'd take WoG over people's assumptions. But again, to me, Charizard didn't look like it was tired. It wasn't huffing and breathing hard after its battles. In fact, it looked fine afterward. It started to get "tired" towards the end against Mega Houndoom before it used BB.
You may have this point as I can not think of some of the examples right now.
Though it was never mention Charizard was reaching his limit either. But what does this has to do with Ash-Greninja again?
This doesn't change the fact they were significantly stronger and/or slightly above said Pokemon. It doesn't take away from what I've said.
Disagreeing with them having the same power, they may have been similar to each in terms of skill level, but power can differ from each and one of them. But again, wouldn't make sense for them all to be similar levels then abruptly throws out an E4 who is a different ball game.
Not really, because we don't how much stronger Malva has gotten after their battle. I assumed the E4 are also keeping up training and trying to improve. But safety assumed Malva's ace is probably still below Charizard level in terms of power(and even endurance). Also, that same Charizard that won against Malva is the same Charizard before it got stronger won against Ash-Greninja.
>Ignoring that I've literally said it in one of my previous posts
Because It wasn't explicitly stated E4's are around the same power. They are roughly margin apart in strength but that's just it(E.g. Flint Vs Cynthia, Aaron vs Cynthia, and Lucian vs Cynthia. Even as short as those fights were there were noticeable feats distinguishing how strong their Pokemon are in those scenes). That's like say all Champions are the same/similar in power. Maybe in general term, but specifically, no.
Disagree that MCX is>E4 when we haven't seen the rest of the Kalos E4(and the other regional E4) to determine how strong they are. I see them as it was a battle between E4 calibers/levels vs each other.
For me, it's Champions>E4(includes AG, MCX, Lysandre's Gyarados who are in the same tier)
So standing up against 1 or 2 E4 caliber Pokemon means it is above E4 level, then?
If I were to say all champions are the same, using your logic and the 345ash-greninja guys logic(who admittedly said Lysandre is champion level). Then MCX(who defeated one E4 is somehow stronger than all E4 and won against Greninja who had the one champ on the ropes)+AG+Pikachu puts Lysandre Ace Pokemon as the strongest trainer which makes no sense.