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Pokémon X & Y's Effect on the Metagame

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by T-Bolt, May 13, 2013.

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  1. OceanicLanturn

    OceanicLanturn Non non non!

    Agreed. And its low speed doesn't really allow it to really outsmart the foe since it's going last with the exception of Trick room.
  2. Barbeller

    Barbeller Scatter Brained

    From my experience as a stall player, I would say that hazards are easily a stall team's best way of doing damage, which is obvious and I think everyone will agree with me on that. However, following this, as we are discussing a metagame in which hazards are weak, I would argue that using weak attacks + burn is much better at doing damage than bad poison (which would come third in my eyes). The burn does passive damage every turn, as well as buffering against physical attacks. The weak attacks from un-EVd stats allow you to kill it a bit faster. Toxic Spikes are unreliable, they don't affect flying types and they are removed by poison types. Although Will-o-Wisp does have a tendency to miss, it can be used well in safe circumstances (i.e. If Jellicent has forced a switch, it could use Will-o-Wisp on that turn to catch a unwary physical attacker. If you fail then switch to your blanket physical wall). Also, the only type to resist burn is weak to Scald, which means you can easily Scald spam to get good effects.

    Completely agree. A fast spinner such as Starmie can only spin 3 times or so in a match. It will be the same situation with Defog, and almost all Defoggers are weak to SR anyway. Mandibuzz and Scizor are the only Defoggers which can actually take some hits.

    I think it's going to lose a lot of popularity, but still be completely viable. Due to the nerfs to many special attacks, it loses a lot of important KOs. Additionally, there haven't been any absolutely gamebreakingly powerful pokemon introduced this generation - with the exception of Mega Gengar. I think HO won't be quite as prevalent as 5th gen, especially as choice dragons won't work.

    Not entirely true, as Sticky Web only affects grounded pokemon. So if the opponent has more grounded pokemon than you, then they do have a slight disadvantage, especially if their sweeper is grounded and yours isn't.

    This is so true, and scary to me as someone who hated Volt-turn in late BW1. :eek:
  3. Mr. Reloaded

    Mr. Reloaded An enigma

    Blaziken's been banned already apparently.
    Oh dear... But there's no metagame Smogon...
  4. No, it's still OU. In fact, its OU analysis preview is being worked on right now.
  5. Ace Kenshader

    Ace Kenshader Dreaming sexy

    Really now? I wonder why is that.
  6. I highly doubt it'll be OU. . .
  7. Currently it is OU. It will very likely be banned once bans are actually in place.

    On the topic of really broken crap, Mega Gengar will be almost certainly banned. 170 SAtk, 130 Spe, one STAB type that has amazing neutral coverage, one that kills Fairies, Perish Song and Destiny Bond, oh, and Shadow Tag.
  8. I suppose I should have reworded that, I doubt it'll remain OU.

    I see mGengar getting the banHammer as well. The only thing to really even decently make an attempt to take it out is Aegislash of course, and Scarf'd Gengar.
    Scarf Gengar is the perfect unexpected sweeper this gen.
  9. Mr. Reloaded

    Mr. Reloaded An enigma

    And Mega Mawile after Hazards, with Sucker Punch.
  10. lol perish song
    lol substitute
    and if you predicted those and iron headed, lol destiny bond

    Surprised we haven't seen much on Talonflame. Second strongest priority attack in GW Brave Bird (Yveltal Sucker Punch is stronger), combined with Swords Dance and priority Roost. SR weakness sucks, but Defog's buff can partially fix that.
  11. dragonuser™

    dragonuser™ the greatest crisis

    The only things getting an immediate ban (aside from obvious ubers like palkia, dialga, etc) are Skymin, Darkrai, and Moody.

    Got this from a member of ou council so yea...
  12. ModernGamer

    ModernGamer Member

    I can see a Pokemon like Serperior becoming useful vs sticky web.

    Contrary vs Sticky Web = win.

    The main counter I could see for this is talonflame since it has priority flying moves and a resistance to most of serperior's moveset (besides aqua tail and HP rock).
  13. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    contrary still isn't confirmed, it was seen on an AIs team

    sticky web is an interesting concept but tbh isn't to good in OU as you have to use a sub-par bug, the best being galvantula, and often isn't worth the spot in the long run, in low tiers however it'll be good especially since UU and RU will gain a fairly large power increase of stuff that falls in usage
  14. I agree with these points on Sticky Web, although Galvantula is a decent Pokemon outside of Sticky Web. 91% accurate attack equivalent in power to Noivern's Hurricane alongside an auxiliary STAB with good coverage and Energy Ball/Giga Drain (for Pokebank OU) for others.

    SW I do see single-handedly propelling Galvantula into low OU, as it pretty much nullifies any Choice Scarf mons without Levitate or a Flying typing, and gives a pseudo-Scarf to your Pokemon when they're facing a non-scarfer.
  15. Well naturally, that doesn't mean there won't be things that get an automatic suspect testing when tiers do come out.
  16. Oh, there's a really good chance it'll be tested in the near futures. If not Blaziken itself, the Blazikenite may end up being banned at the very least. However, it is unbanned at the moment. In fact, I had a really fun little ladder excursion with one a few days ago.
  17. jireh the provider

    jireh the provider Video Game Designer

    The fact that Sticky Web is buffed in terms of changing the speed tie, a theoretical move to consider in conjunction with Sticky web is Electroweb. In one instance lets say your Galvantula is a suicide lead variant, as the enemy switches out to a scarfed flying type just to avoid the sticky web, you could use Electroweb to reduce aid flying type scarfer's speed (except for Thundurus and Landorus in their therian forms). Not the best, but a considerable option.
  18. The main issue with this is that Sticky Web lowers speed on the switchin. There's no reason to switch out on a suicide Galvy, as all that does is give them a free Sticky Web and two turns to do what they please. Electroweb is pretty useless on a lead Galvantula.

    Plays out like this:

    Metagross vs. Galvantula

    Metagross uses Earthquake, bringing Galvantula down to 20%.

    Galvantula uses Electroweb predicting a Latios switch. It does pittance to the Metagross, and it finishes you with Bullet Punch. Your lead is gone, you have no Sticky Web, and your slow mons are stuck slow.
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2013
  19. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok #BeastMode Staff Member Super Mod

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