Pokemon; a milked franchise?

[JET_ALONE]

Whenever I bring up the discussion of Pokemon, people usually complain about the number of Pokemon they now have, and how they "Should of stopped a long time ago".

My question to them is; why?

If they'd started and finished with the games of the first generation, what would we get? We'd get a lot of people asking for sequels. Right? The Pokemon games are of a decent, enjoyable, addictive and immensley popular series. Why would Nintendo in their right minds ever even consider stopping?

And why do people complain about the number of Pokemon there are? What, do they expect every single game to come with the same 151 Pokemon every single time? What would that do? Then we'd have people complaining saying there's not enough. And the series would die.

And what about the whole originality thing? That I just don't get. Look at the first generation, Voltorb and Electrode. Balls coloured red and white with faces. And Electrode is bigger with the colours turned upside down. And Seel. Seel? It's a seal. Seel. Original. Who cares?

My point is these are all very flawed arguments for the reasons stated above, and some are applicable to any game series. There's a difference between having a series / franchised "Milked" and "Expanded". For example...The Legend of Zelda. Milked? No. It's a series for goodness sake. There's suppoed to be lots of games.

In conclusion, these are all very stupid points to bring up against the series.

Discuss.

 

[HarleyScarow]

I'm building a shrine for you. A SHRINE.

It's just like how when DP was about to come out, people were begging for a storyline on the big Team Galaxy. Now that they have one, they complain how they should revert back to RSE. Those people are idiots and wrong. No--they contridict their opinion. They can't make up their mind. Their opinion is WRONG.

 

[JET_ALONE]

Yay shrine.

But I agree. People are never happy and always have something to complain about. Now I'm just going to wait for someone to disagree and see what points they bring up.

 

[Dark Espeon]

I agree as well. People will just make stupid statements without any logical, solid basis.

Nintendo hasn't stopped with franchises like Pokémon and The Legend of Zelda because, first of all it's giving them tons of money, and that is their main purpose. And second, because the fans love it, so why the heck stop? It's just plain stupid. People don't stop doing something that gives them money, unless it's somehow bad (i.e. it damages the environment) and even then, some don't.

As for originality, it's nonsense. Some generations have more original Pokémon than others, that's all. There will always be a few Pokémon that are not perhaps as original, but often people will replace "unoriginal" with "dislikeable", i.e. their reasons for calling it original and not looking like a "true Pokémon" are based on their disliking of it.

Personally, I focus on the things I like, and everyone else should. This 4th generation have some pretty ugly Pokémon that I'd rather not see, ever. But am I bietchin' about them 24/7? NO. Instead, I turn to the ones I DO like, and just enjoy them.

Who are you to go around saying Togekiss ruined the Togepi line? I love Togekiss. So what if you dislike it? They can't please everyone. And no-one in these forums works for Nintendo creating Pokémon, so I reckon y'all should stop your whining and enjoy the good things about the series. =P I mean, I complain as well sometimes, but overall I try to enjoy it.

That's why we like Pokémon, after all... isn't it? If y'all are so piss'd off about, say, the "unoriginality" of the fourth generation, THEN DON'T BUY D/P AND SHUT IT, how about that? ^_^

Me, I'm lovin' it (Pokémon, not McDonalds x_x).

 

[HarleyScarow]

Exactly what I mean. When people are saying that it's not looking like a "true" Pokemon, they're saying it should look like the others; on the occasion it does look like a "true" Pokemon, they flame the hell out of it by saying it's not original. The members saying a Pokemon doesn't look like a "true" one are incorrect, because they contridict what they mean. What does idiots are saying is Pokemon can't develop/try something new. Dusclops, Deoxys, Metagross FTW.

 

[Saurior]

Whenever I bring up the discussion of Pokemon, people usually complain about the number of Pokemon they now have, and how they "Should of stopped a long time ago".

My question to them is; why?

If they'd started and finished with the games of the first generation, what would we get? We'd get a lot of people asking for sequels. Right? The Pokemon games are of a decent, enjoyable, addictive and immensley popular series. Why would Nintendo in their right minds ever even consider stopping?

If they'd started and finished with the games of the first generation, they'd be REALLY stupid. They'd basically go bankrupt, for not making more games of an immensly popular franchise, stopping a constant flow of income. I think that Pokemon is so popular, they can keep on going like Mario, who's still topping the bills after 20 years.

And why do people complain about the number of Pokemon there are? What, do they expect every single game to come with the same 151 Pokemon every single time? What would that do? Then we'd have people complaining saying there's not enough. And the series would die.

And what about the whole originality thing? That I just don't get. Look at the first generation, Voltorb and Electrode. Balls coloured red and white with faces. And Electrode is bigger with the colours turned upside down. And Seel. Seel? It's a seal. Seel. Original. Who cares?

Here I disagree. Let's say Pokemon is still happening 15 years from now. What would we have? 1500 Pokemon, 12 Worlds, 50 Teams, 200 Legendaries? Why do you think I never started with the Magic TCG?
Seriously, I'm getting annoyed with Pokemon that are "just there" with no reason whatsoever (Luvdisc, Plusle/Minun), or Pokes that are there to replace others (Fearow/Dodrio/Swellow and whatnot). I mean, there are pokes with really cool back stories, and clear, "logical" concepts (Magikarp/Gyarados may be the best examples), but sadly, they're outnumbered by random critters just to have more of them to hunt for. Don't tell me that that's not going to happen in future generations.
Also, I don't like that EVERY poke is eventually getting three stages, mostly for the same reason I said before. A lot of them simply don't NEED them (Skarmory, Rhyhorn/Rhydon). I mean, it's fine they're making more, but Nintendo would do good just to put some more thought and care into the creatures, then the games would be much better, with maybe less pokes, but this time really good ones. And this has got nothing to do with originality, because I think that's not the problem here (or with Nintendo in general, IMO).

My point is these are all very flawed arguments for the reasons stated above, and some are applicable to any game series. There's a difference between having a series / franchised "Milked" and "Expanded". For example...The Legend of Zelda. Milked? No. It's a series for goodness sake. There's suppoed to be lots of games.

In conclusion, these are all very stupid points to bring up against the series.

Discuss.

The Legend of Zelda is a very different kind of RPG, constantly bringing new stories, new developments, and innovations. The first Pokemon games were probably the pinnacle of innovation (the trading system, two different games with their own pokes etc), but it has been the same ever since, not counting spin-offs.

There you have it. Have I flamed about "true" or "untrue" pokes? Did I say Togekiss ruined the Togepi line? No. First of all, there's no such thing as a "wrong" opinion. It's not an opinion for nothing. Second, all I've heard so far are complaints about people flaming the games or creatures, probably spiced up to make them sound like a moron. How about some good arguments now?

 

[pokemaster 13]

If they'd started and finished with the games of the first generation, they'd be REALLY stupid. They'd basically go bankrupt, for not making more games of an immensly popular franchise, stopping a constant flow of income. I think that Pokemon is so popular, they can keep on going like Mario, who's still topping the bills after 20 years.


Here I disagree. Let's say Pokemon is still happening 15 years from now. What would we have? 1500 Pokemon, 12 Worlds, 50 Teams, 200 Legendaries? Why do you think I never started with the Magic TCG?
Seriously, I'm getting annoyed with Pokemon that are "just there" with no reason whatsoever (Luvdisc, Plusle/Minun), or Pokes that are there to replace others (Fearow/Dodrio/Swellow and whatnot). I mean, there are pokes with really cool back stories, and clear, "logical" concepts (Magikarp/Gyarados may be the best examples), but sadly, they're outnumbered by random critters just to have more of them to hunt for. Don't tell me that that's not going to happen in future generations.
Also, I don't like that EVERY poke is eventually getting three stages, mostly for the same reason I said before. A lot of them simply don't NEED them (Skarmory, Rhyhorn/Rhydon). I mean, it's fine they're making more, but Nintendo would do good just to put some more thought and care into the creatures, then the games would be much better, with maybe less pokes, but this time really good ones. And this has got nothing to do with originality, because I think that's not the problem here (or with Nintendo in general, IMO).


The Legend of Zelda is a very different kind of RPG, constantly bringing new stories, new developments, and innovations. The first Pokemon games were probably the pinnacle of innovation (the trading system, two different games with their own pokes etc), but it has been the same ever since, not counting spin-offs.

There you have it. Have I flamed about "true" or "untrue" pokes? Did I say Togekiss ruined the Togepi line? No. First of all, there's no such thing as a "wrong" opinion. It's not an opinion for nothing. Second, all I've heard so far are complaints about people flaming the games or creatures, probably spiced up to make them sound like a moron. How about some good arguments now?

um,zelda saves the princess all over again,and again no,the pokemon games may have the same thing you do catch/train,beat elite four,ect.but each game is different.
r/b/y started it all,g/s/c its dark storyline,going back to kanto,interactive sprites,daylight/nighttime addition,r/s/e eviroments help in the game,when you battle,its the enviroment your in,ect.but don't sit up here and say zeldas not repetitive.

 

[~Bent~]

If they'd started and finished with the games of the first generation, what would we get? We'd get a lot of people asking for sequels. Right? The Pokemon games are of a decent, enjoyable, addictive and immensley popular series. Why would Nintendo in their right minds ever even consider stopping?

Better a great video game that gets no sequel than a great video game that gets too many sequels.

And Pokemon is definitely milked. Three versions per gen? No way to "complete" the game without, say, five games and multiple link cables?

 

[Polursine]

And Pokemon is definitely milked. Three versions per gen? No way to "complete" the game without, say, five games and multiple link cables?

That's what Nintendo aim for; something that people have to work together to achieve things like this. Plus, they get more money this way, which ensures that the company WILL go on, and not be drowned out. It is a highly competitive market. Pokemon is, and was, and still it, Nintendo's key franchise.

I think the reason that people are saying that there's too many, it that they are jealous that Nintendo can come up with this amount of creatures per generation, while some companies take things and make it "better" (making it scary, more violent looking etc). Or the fact that the can't count more than 150, or can't remember more than 150 fictional names.

 

[~Bent~]

That's what Nintendo aim for; something that people have to work together to achieve things like this. Plus, they get more money this way, which ensures that the company WILL go on, and not be drowned out.

Hence, milked.

I think the reason that people are saying that there's too many, it that they are jealous that Nintendo can come up with this amount of creatures per generation, while some companies take things and make it "better" (making it scary, more violent looking etc). Or the fact that the can't count more than 150, or can't remember more than 150 fictional names.

I can count over 150.

I can remember over 150 fictional names.

What I can't do is like the design of the new monsters.

Nearly every Pokemon in the first two gens has its own specific biological characteristics. What's Charmander? A fiery lizard. What's Oddish? A weed. What's Slowpoke? A slow creature. All of this is obvious based on the name and one picture -- anyone can see that.

What's Cradily? What's Gardevoir? What's Castform? What's this? What's this? What's this? What's this? What's this?

And yes, there is a noticeable difference, the largest one being that Ken Sugimori stopped designing Pokemon shortly after GSC. He did a few from the Advanced Gen (Wynaut being one), but after that, different people were chosen, and since then, the Pokemon have lost their charm.

 

[davidone10]

Hidoran is a komodo dragon, yukkinoh is a snowman, togekiss is an albatross, giratina is the ghost of a dead dragon and kuseria is a distorted goose.
Problem solved.

 

[JET_ALONE]

I disagree about the charm. They're changed, but they're still as great / horrible as the old ones.

Oh. Cradily is a prehistoric plant, and Yukinooh is a radish.

What's Slowpoke? A slow creature.

Castform is a weather creature...

EDIT :

Hidoran is a komodo dragon, yukkinoh is a snowman, togekiss is an albatross, giratina is the ghost of a dead dragon and kuseria is a distorted goose.
Problem solved.

Well actually Hiidoran is just some kind of big weird lava thing. And as said before, I think Yukinooh is more of a radish (Judging by Yukikarburi) than a snowman.

Radish. I know it's weird, but it's used in Japanese folklore, I think. Ever see Spirited Away? The radish spirit.

 

[~Ero Oyagi~]

I think the problem with some of the new Pokémon is that they aren't as internationally appealing - most people outside of Japan just "don't get" Hiidoran, Yukinooh etc. But, there are still some great new Pokémon in the 4th gen, so why complain about the ones you don't like?

In answer to the original question, yes of course Nintendo milk the Pokémon series for every single yen, dollar pound or euro it can squeeze out and it shall do until none remains. But that hasn't stopped it from being a great game... yet.

 

[Charmanderz]

I'm not Japanese, and I like the 4th Gen...

 

[Brettt]

here's my opinion, all of the above posts i agree with, but everytime a new game comes out, a new generation should not be made, instead a variation or remake or new idea should fill the gap between generations. also if people see that nintendo only keeps pokemon alive by creating new gens, they'll begin to belive pokemon has lost its touch, ad those who want to buy the game with the new generation, would automatically be overshadowed by the sudden next generation appearing on the shelves, so they would have to keep wasting money if nintendo decided to create a new gen for every game.