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Pokemon Adventures Review/Thoughts Discussion - X & Y/ORAS (Gen 6)

Discussion in 'Pokémon Manga Discussion' started by shoz999, Feb 1, 2019.

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How would rate the 6th Gen series?

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  2. 4/5

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  1. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    Pokemon Adventures Review/Thoughts Discussion - XY/ORAS Arc (Gen 6)
    This is a discussion thread to talk about the many awesome, fun, hilarious, and questionable moments of Pokemon's X & Y and Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire Chapters. So please, lay out your thoughts of some of the best chapters of Pokemon Adventures

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    Pokemon Adventures Quick Summary - X & Y Chapter
    Our heroes X, Y, Shauna, Tierno and Trevor travel across the Kalos region together as a group after their hometown is mysteriously destroyed by the Pokemon of ancient legends, Xerneas and Yveltal. It gets even worst when these group of friends uncover a shadowy plot that a powerful shady organization don't want them to discover. With almost no people to trust or even turn to, the group of friends continue to venture across the Kalos region having many adventures, unsure of what people, Pokemon or greater powers and legends they may meet down the road.

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    Pokemon Adventures Quick Summary - Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire Chapter
    Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald are trying to master Mega Evolution in order to stop an cataclysmic danger that you destroy the world. Steven Stone and the mysterious Zinnia are also looking for different ways to put an end to this danger. Unfortunately they are all suspicious of each other, oppose each other, fighting for what they believe is the best method to solve this. If the planet you lived on were to be obliterated in 10 days... what would you spend those "final days" doing and with whom?

    Guidelines/Notes
    • All the Review/Thoughts Discussion Threads are excluded from the 60 days limit rule. So have no fear if you want to talk about the chapters if this thread goes over the 60-day limit.
    • There is no recommended review system. Instead I recommend you come up with your own review systems, from 5/5s to 10/10s, to give people a quick idea what you generally think of the story arcs as a whole.
    • This is both a review and thoughts thread. So if you don't want to rate and review a story arc but instead express your thoughts of certain moments or scenes. That's fantastic and is encouraged!
    • Please alert others with a "Spoiler Warning!" if your review or thoughts does indeed have potential spoilers.
    • Have fun discussing the many amazing, funny or even questionable moments you've seen in the sixth generation of Pokemon Adventures! Quite fitting that I did this on February the 1st, the month of romance and love as fitting for XY's Lumiose City and ORAS's own particular characters.
    Links to other current Review/Thoughts discussion threads
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2019
  2. BenLee really not taken

    BenLee really not taken Captain Obvious

    Not really my opinion, but this seems to be the pro and con of the arc:
    This arc is the darkest arc in Pokémon adventure, and it seems to be a both pro and con of the arc, where people either really love it for such tone, or really dislike it.
    One thing, where not many pointed out, was the significant increase in sexualization just for this generation.
    Another problem people pointed out, is that the chapter feels too short, where having 5 people to travel feels too bloated, where the arc probably could have used few more chapters.
    At the end, some are saying how it is a trainwreck while others are saying how it is one of the best arcs and redeems Gen 6, where I am trying to find more opinions by others to see what the majority view is.
    For me personally in ORAS arc, the only thing that really bothered me wasn’t the story, but that Volcanion and Hoopa unbound didn’t appear. Gen 6 then ended up being the first gen in Pokespe where not all mythicals are shown. (And most likely no mythicals will appears in SMUSUM arc) Or not, where when BW2 ends, XY and ORAS will see a major edit, and maybe the full line of mythicals will be released.
    Another thing I realized, is that XY arc parallels quite a lot to Ruby and Sapphire arc. X meets Y on their childhoods, changing them as they grow, Y becoming headstrong like X when he was young. Also, Viola and Alexa sees the media is hiding info, looking to uncover them. This is very similar to Gabby and Ty when Team Aqua was hiding their action in the media.
    Lastly, Shoz999, are you going to make the discussion page for Gen 7 arcs before the arc finishes?
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2019
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  3. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    X and Y Review and Thoughts Post
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    The Pokemon Adventures begins

    So it seems a lot of Pokemon fans seem to think that it shouldn't be hard to make a story better than the XY games which is known for being pretty light on story. The XY anime series is a great example of this and so is the XY chapter of Pokemon Adventures. What's also interesting is that this is the first story arc that Kusaka wrote after the unfinished BW2 story arc and it resulted in one of the shorter story arcs. The thing is I personally think this is actually one of Kusaka's greatest and most well-written story arcs. In fact it's probably in my top three favorite story arcs and I would have voted a 5/5 for the 6th gen series if it weren't for the ORAS chapter holding back Gen 6's line of stories.
    • This is arguably the first story arc where the protagonists are forced to go on a Pokemon journey. This is not a Pokemon journey with a happy beginning.
    • The XY story is far more tightly focused on the main cast of characters than other story arcs, rarely focusing on side characters own adventures.
    • In fact this is arguably the first Pokemon story arc that technically has five main characters, not two, throughout the entire story.
    • X (or Xavier), once a powerful talented trainer is now an introvert suffering from depression who has no interest in leave his house, having a difficult time trusting adults, his loneliness hurting his relationship with his childhood friends and Pokemon.
    • Personally I think X has the best progression of a Pokemon character, how he recovers from his depression over time. Whenever he starts smiling, you actually notice it all the time as he rarely smiles early on in the story.
    • Y (or Yvonne), the big responsible sister of the group, she won't take any of your BS. She aims to be a Sky Trainer not only because she enjoys it but because she feels like she lives in her famous mother's shadow.
    • Y's progression as a character is interesting as part of it is how her relationship with her mother progresses. Her mother is undoubtedly a very strong female character but you can also tell she's somewhat controlling and authoritative. This along with the her tall list of achievements makes Y feel like she's living in her shadow and this forces the girl to become not just independent but even distant from her mother at the start of the story. Whereas for X, you see him recover from his depression throughout the journey, you will see Y's relationship with her mother just constantly tested throughout the journey. What happens at the end is quite a heartwarming moment.
    • Trevor, a kind more trusting kid who wants to be a scholar.
    • Shauna, a girlish but somewhat snide girl who wants to be a Furfrou Stylist.
    • Tierno, a gentle-hearted guy who wants to be a dancer.
    • So the premise of the plot is kind of a spoiler too but essentially one day the group of childhood friends are forced to go on a journey, unable to trust anyone after their town was destroyed by the legendary Pokemons, Xerneas and Yveltal. This is quite the interesting scenario as there's honestly no Pokemon story like this. In the games, anime and past Adventures chapters, you often see the character chatting to random strangers like friends. Here their afraid to, unsure of the consequences.
    • This chapter easily has the best heroic moment from any Pokemon medium. One person called this epic scene near the end "Gurren Lagann levels of craziness".
    So if you don't want any spoilers, to sum it up. THIS IS AN OUTSTANDING PIECE OF WORK OF THE POKEMON SERIES! Actually this might even be better than a lot of story arcs from One Piece and One Piece has some brilliantly-told story arcs.
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    X, the main character of the story, suffering from depression, loneliness and trust issues.

    So at the beginning of the story were introduced to this image, a boy who has been living in his room for some time, rarely going outside, suffering from depression and loneliness. This kid is named Xavier or "X" and he used to be a strong talented trainer at a very young age until the news media arrived, crowding him, confronting him with too many questions. This is where his fear of not just the news media but his inability to trust adults at first stems from, his childhood and we see that he's become a recluse several years later. His friends have tried getting him out of the house but it's not working and this is not only hurting his friendship with his childhood friends but also his Pokemon. It seems like he won't ever get out of the house until one fateful day, his town is attacked and destroyed by the stuff of legends, Xerneas and Yveltal. The group of childhood friends escape and this is where the story really begins.

    So one of the things the story tells you early is just how unsafe the Kalos region is to these kids. They literally can't go to anyone for help and this doesn't stem from X's fear of adults actually, it stems from the kid's first encounter of an adult in the next town over at an inn, a seemingly friendly old lady who calls Team Flare, the villainous organization responsible for the destruction of their home town. This is actually a pretty cool way to set up the premise. It shows not only are the kids very vulnerable no matter where they go, even in small towns, Team Flare controls practically everything and this alone is why Adventures take on Team Flare is the most scary. They are basically Pokemon's answer to the Illuminati and the thing is we do actually see a more intimidating side of Team Flare even further through their leader, Lysandre.

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    Something is very wrong here...

    So Lysandre is often portrayed in the games and anime as this visionary who wants to destroy the future but he's never really portrayed as intimidating or scary. This is where Pokemon Adventures comes in when the group of kids meet Prof. Sycamore at Lumiose City. I really like how Prof. Sycamore's portrayed here. The kids are having a hard time trusting adults from their last encounter with an adult and Prof. Sycamore seems to understand that these kids are a bit unsettled. He already wins most of their trust easily except for X and it's here that you really see Sycamore's character, he's trying to earn X's trust through befriending Pokemon. However as the story progresses, you really start to realize he's definitely one of the younger more naive Pokemon Professors not realizing his friend, Lysandre is the leader of Team Flare. In fact it's Sycamore who sends the kids to Lysandre so he can fix Trevor's Holo Caster when in actuality Lysandre comes there to retrieve the photographic evidence from Trevor that he took from the destruction of their hometown. It's here that you can really tell that Lysandre is quite the intimidating figure through Trevor's point of view alone. He realizes something is really wrong here when he notices that Lysandre looks awfully similar to the figure in the photo. What I like about this scene is that everything Trevor seems completely normal. Everyone is just having a good time, relaxing, from his friends to Lysandre but Trevor knows that something is very very very wrong. This "peaceful" scene has a very intimidating tone under it and you can see it through Trevor who is just stumbling in fear. It's this scene alone where Lysandre walks and acts like a friend that easily cements Lysandre as quite the intimidating villain in a few seconds and we only see this continue later on. Lysandre of course realizes what Trevor is doing and stops the group of friends with his Pokemon. You realize that the kids really can't do anything. You have the kids who are like beginner hero level and you have Lysandre, which you can clearly see through his own Pokemon, whose at master-class level. I like how Kusaka shows this huge difference in strength without words, just through the fact that the group of friends really can't do anything because of the plain obvious.

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    FRIENDSHIP MOMENT! DON'T YOU SCROLL PAST THIS PIC!

    Luckily Diantha the Pokemon Champion herself comes to their rescue, warding off the smiling Lysandre like it's nothing and so continues the adventures of X, Y, Trevor, Tierno and Shauna, traveling across the countryside. So an obvious and important theme of Pokemon has always been friendship. The theme of friendship has been continually explored in Pokemon Adventures to a number of ways and here it's nothing really new but it understands what Pokemon is about and you can really see it through X's, Y's, Trevor's, Tierno's and Shauna's friendship through a number of adventures across the Kalos countryside such as going on a road-trip, enjoying a festival where they meet Eevee, having lunch in the Lost Hotel. This scene here is one of my favorite moments as there's actually a lot going on with this scene. You can really tell from this scene that these two girls are two long-time childhood friends. Not only are Tierno and Trevor relieved that the danger is over and everyone's safe but X here is actually smiling once more, a sign that his depression is slowly breaking down. And also who can forget Cassius! He is just the best Brock Pokemon has ever gotten since... well... Anime's Brock!

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    Emma, Cassius & Grace


    So if your wondering why I'm saying Cassius is like Anime's Brock that's because he acts like a big brother or a father-figure to many of the kids, not just the five group of Adventurers but also to orphans including Emma. He essentially replaces Looker from the post-game episode of the XY games and the thing is he's not an Adventures-exclusive character. He actually appeared in the games as Kalos's very own PC admin and honestly I think most of us would've forgotten about Cassius if it weren't for the Pokemon Adventures manga giving him a huge role. Compared to Bill who's very work-focused, he's quite chill and down-to-earth. Another important character of course Emma. She is similar to her game counterpart but in the manga, there are some noticeable additions to her character. Emma works for Cassius, a PC admin, and not Looker. Unlike Looker from the games where Emma helps out in organizing paper work, Emma feels like a burden to Cassius. Unlike her friends, she has no clue how computers work and this is why she's set out to get a job, to feel useful. That's her character angle essentially, she wants to feel useful to Cassius which is why she's taken on the job to become Essentia later on in the story.

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    Y falls into depression due to her mother's disappearance, notice how she's sitting in the exact same way as X is in the previous image.

    So one of the things you get by now is that Y's relationship with her mother, Grace, is pretty complicated. Early in the story, Y has become more and more distant from her mother's controlling ways, becoming more independent by focusing on becoming a Sky Trainer, not a Rhyhorn racer. You also understand from Grace's end that she's just doing what she believes is the best for her daughter and you can see why she's so confident in her own abilities, leading and organizing the kidnapped townfolk of Vaniville Town to escape Team Flare's grasp. While she's trying to escape, Y is actually falling into a deep depression after finding out her mother might be gone forever as the last thing Y told her mother was that she doesn't care if she comes back from her trip. She feels guilty for saying that and soon this depression turns into anger when a rival Sky Trainer, Yvette, berates her mother. You can tell that a lot is one Y's mind and she's supposed to be the big caring responsible sister-like figure here.

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    Xerosic and the Team Flare Scientists.

    So Team Flare. Gonna be blunt here, I thought they were the weakest villains from the games and although they were easily the best villains in the anime, that's not really hard to do and I felt that Team Flare's storyline in the anime ended in a rushed manner. Then you have Pokemon Adventures take on Team Flare. They are easily the best and most awesome take on Team Flare... but that still does not change the fact that the Team Flare Scientists are just boring. Even Kusaka saw them nothing more as henchman to test the protagonist's battling skills. To get an idea how boring the Team Flare Scientists are, Xerosic, one of the weakest Lieutenants I've seen, is easily ten times more interesting than any then the Team Flare Scientists. So if the Team Flare Scientists are still as boring and generic as their anime and game counterparts, what makes this Team Flare so special? Behind-the-scenes, we see the leadership of Team Flare through three specific people. Lysandre, Xerosic and Malva. These three people alone are why Team Flare here is so interesting. Xerosic isn't really a mad scientist, he's literally just a regular scientist who wants to make new scientific discoveries which is why he's so loyal to Lysandre who showed him out Inkay evolves. However as the story progresses, we see that Lysandre grows more and more disappointed in Xerosic's failures, slowly devolving into a generic henchman and the thing is Xerosic kind of knows this and wants to do everything he can to not become some generic henchman. There's Malva, she is a powerful member of the Elite Four that is absolutely loyal to Lysandre and you can tell that Lysandre trusts her more than any Team Flare member, trusting her abilities with the task of hunting down a dangerously powerful legendary Pokemon. Finally there is Lysandre himself. Not only is he quite intimidating as mentioned before previously, you can see why so many Team Flare members are loyal to him. He shows confidence in himself and his minions, he stands tall with pride and pretty much never shows astonishment throughout almost the entire story which makes one particular scene very special later on. He represents the idea of a leader that the masses would blindly and gladly follow and this is something that greatly disappoints a rather interesting take on a character, AZ which I'll talk about later.

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    THIS IS THE PINNACLE OF POKEMON EPICNESS! I FREAKING DARE YOU TO ARGUE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING BETTER THAN THIS SCENE! I FREAKING DARE YOU!

    So yeah, X, Y, Shauna, Tierno and Trevor meets lots of people, most notably Cassius, Emma, Prof. Sycamore the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Mega Evolution Guru, Diantha and to a lot of fan's surprise, Green the very first rival of the Pokemon series. No one was expecting that but that was quite a surprise. So one of the more haunting scenes is how it displays the subject of death again. It's pretty interesting actually as the whole idea that "stone = death" came from the Pokemon anime and this is actually now sort of canon to an extant in the Pokemon XY series where if your life force is drained, your turned to stone be it through Yveltal's Oblivion Wing or the Ultimate Weapon itself and we actually see more of that in the XY chapter. Those Pokemon aren't breathing, they are actually dead or in the very least in a temporary state of death in the same way Ash was from the movie until they regain their life-force, just not through tears. Things get even more worrying for the XY crew, not only do they still have a somewhat difficult time trusting random strangers, Essentia can disguise herself as any person in a quick-instant. There's actually this one scene from the Pokemon Center that's quite a shocker, you can definitely sense a feeling of coldness there, that something is wrong and when the comic panel changes the view, wow. Essentia is actually quite a scary presence. Really wished they utilized her in the main story of the XY games. Things get more dire as Zygarde later appears, the strongest out of the three Aura members, and is later captured by Team Flare. Not only that but Team Flare has found a much larger source of life energy at the Pokemon Village where Mewtwo and Blaine reside peacefully. So at this point, if you don't care for spoilers. I think you can get an idea that Team Flare is actually very well-organized, that they need to be put to a stop and that's what the XY crew does soon, teaming up with Diantha and Green (rival) to put an end to Team Flare in a plan to save not just the Kalos region but the world. Lysandre's plan is pretty insane as it involves ending not just life on the Kalos region but also much of the world and the crew actually does pretty well against Team Flare's forces, Malva being a stand-out for being a challenge even for Diantha. It's when the expanded XY crew reaches to Lysandre that they reach problems and that is Lysandre's controlled Zygarde itself. Zygarde is a freaking beast of a Pokemon, defeating Mega Mewtwo, Mega Gardevoir and Mega Charizard Y like it was nothing. So what does X do when the odds seem against him. He turns the odds against Lysandre in one of the most logical loopholes in Mega Evolution. This is freaking ingenius and never really occurred to me before. He grabs the other Mega Evolution Rings and items and places them on him, turning his team of Pokemon into a team of Mega Evolutions! This is freaking in-genius for the simple fact that this does not actually break any rules. This isn't like how Pikachu shocked Onix or Nidoqueen where it makes no sense. This makes complete sense which is why this scene is just so insane! But of course there has to be some kind of downside to it and apparently, at least for this canon anyway, it's that the excessive usage of multiple Mega Evolutions is draining X's own life energy away.

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    "Why..."

    And what I like about this is that even Lysandre, who is depicted as this outstanding confident leader, is taken by complete surprise, praising the man for what he was able to accomplish. Even with this however, Lysandre also plays smart too. He knows that Zygarde is kept busy by the Mega Evolutions, so he uses his own Pokemon to strike at the Mega Evolution user, quickly ending this battle until they are stopped by Mega Gardevoir and Mega Charizard Y. I like this final battle. There's just counter-strategy topped with counter-strategy topped with counter-strategy, a lot of things here make a lot of sense and what ironically becomes Lysandre's downfall is Zygarde himself. Zygarde is unable to support it's own weight as it's cells are falling apart and Lysandre falls to an ironic fate. The image above is quite powerful, we see just how loyal Malva is to the end, attempting to save Lysandre from an inescapable downfall. Lysandre has nothing to hold onto, he is free-falling to those sharp rocks and in an ironic twist, the next scene. It appears that Lysandre who kept talking about being the "chosen ones" is bleeding a lot, unable to move, hinting that he may have become a cripple. It's quite a shocking and ironic end to Lysandre who boasted power and skills of that of a leader. Lysandre himself can't process what happened, only saying "Why?" And this marks the end of Team Flare.

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    AZ is far more fleshed out in the manga that he is in the games, for starters he talks to Lysandre.

    Easily the most interesting and mysterious character of the Kalos region, a character that anime fans really wanted to see is AZ and he is a INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT character to the Pokemon games universe. He is literally responsible for the creation of the Mega Evolution timeline, that's how important he is! While timelines really aren't a big thing in Pokemon Adventures, AZ still plays a very important rule as the king who created the Ultimate Weapon, Team Flare's ultimate goal, that ended a great war a long time ago in such a destructive way. This take on AZ is easily better than the games version for the simple fact that he's far more fleshed out. For starters, we actually see him interacting with Lysandre, talking to him, calling him a fool for repeating his very own actions that he saw as nothing more than mistakes. We see him actually join the party of childhood friends during the bus, surprising them on who he is. At the very end of the story, we see him explaining what he truly thinks of the people of the Kalos region. He puts it bluntly that he sees the people that X, Y, Trevor, Shauna and Tienro saved as nothing more than disappointments, people who blindly follow a single person without a second thought, and he proves this in how none of the people welcome them as heroes, just troublemakers. To the reader however, we've already seen more than that, how some Team Flare grunts don't even seem to care about Lysandre's plan to save others but instead are doing it for the money. The funny thing is you can see it on the look on the people's faces who are listening to AZ, the fear on those faces that says that he may be right. He wants to end it all with the Ultimate Weapon until Y reminds him that he would be no different from Team Flare. AZ is glad that Y convinced him otherwise and he finally makes peace with himself for all the destruction he caused long ago. To his surprise, the Pokemon that left him, Floette, finally comes back, embracing the Pokemon in tears as everyone smiles.

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    Everyone's Home.

    The story ends with the group of friends coming home. It's quite a powerful scene above, so much has changed. Y doesn't hate her mother anymore, she reunites her with a loving embrace and X stands there at the back, still positioned as a bit of a loner, but this time he's smiling with his friends. X is no longer the depressed kid he was before and Y no longer is distant from her mother.

    So I think you guys can understand why I think this is just one of the best-written stories of Pokemon and one of my favorites. Unlike a lot of other Adventures arcs that end on a note hinting the next chapter, XY begins and ends as it's own story. There's not even any hints to future stories in the middle of the story arc like how the Elite Four appeared during Red and Green's battle. This is a very complete story and a outstanding one it is.

    EDIT: As lolipiece stated below, they do include a reference to Alola later on. Forgot about that.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2019
  4. lolipiece

    lolipiece Meow Staff Member Moderator

    XY literally ends with Professor Sycamore sending Sina and Dexio to Alola to collect the Zygarde Cells.
     
  5. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    Had to re-read it. Interesting how he's talking over this with Green and Blaine. Completely forgot that happened but I wonder because of Zygarde, this will hint at Green and Blaine's return in the future, or at least a cameo appearance or mention by Sina & Dexio.
     
  6. BenLee really not taken

    BenLee really not taken Captain Obvious

    I heard how when BW2 ends, these arcs would get a major change. How many chapters do you think will be added to XY and ORAS? Someone suggested 4 to 8 chapters.
     
  7. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    I heard that too and I'm not really sure as there's nothing really else to add. Even ORAS, which is quite frankly very rushed feels like a complete story that leaves no questions behind. Although personally I feel that SM would get the most benefit out of this after BW2 ends because that story arc has skipped so many chunks of the Alolan region. As for your question earlier, yeah. I'm going to make a discussion page for Gen 7, probably next week.
     
  8. lolipiece

    lolipiece Meow Staff Member Moderator

    XY doesn't need any major extensions. It can add a few scenes here or there (including the uncollected chapters), but that's all it really needs. It had a relatively solid run and we don't need to waste much time on it.

    For ORAS, there are obvious gaps in the final chapter that imply there are going to be major extensions in the story, similar to DP's final battle.

    We still need a proper resolution to the Deoxys storyline. Like, Ruby and Sapphire shattered its core, leaving it floating in the depths of space, presumably dead? Yeah, no. Pokespe wouldn't do that. It's not that kind of manga.

    And what about the other Deoxys? And the Deoxys' connection to Giovanni? Or what about that scene where Deoxys gathers a bunch of meteoroid shards and shoots them down to the Earth that was never stopped?

    It's obvious time restraints prevented them from giving it a proper ending, but it's obvious from the way the panels are drawn that something is going to be added in-post.
     
  9. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    Oh right. I forgot about Deoxys. Honestly I was paying more attention to the people affected by the meteor than the meteor itself. That is definitely something that needs to be answered. I wonder when Sird got rid of one of the Deoxys's, she actually meant sent it to space.
     
  10. e9310103838

    e9310103838 Well-Known Member

    Hoopa Unbound and Volcanion (and maybe Y's Greninja) will get some screen.

    Wally, Lisia, Aarune, Draconid elder and people, and Gurkinn's three apprentices can do more things (such as Mega evolve their Pokemon). And Kalos gym leaders and elite four also need more screen. Valerie needs her fairy type Pokemon other than Mr. Mime, and Wulfric's Abomasnow can Mega evolve maybe.

    Some Mega evolution Pokemon still have not appeared yet.

    I still think that old Magma and Aqua admins and Sird will appear. And Battle chatelaines also still have not appeared yet.

    And this is likely to imply what happened to Anabel in ORAS. ;)
     
  11. lolipiece

    lolipiece Meow Staff Member Moderator

    Kusaka did mention he got to play SM a little bit early, back in September of that year, if I remember correctly. He probably also got the game early so he could begin writing the story.

    I always found Emerald mentioning he had to go talk to the Frontier Brains in the final ORAS chapter to be somewhat suspicious.
     
  12. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    In an interview, he says that he gets to play the games two months before release.
     
  13. Beat!

    Beat! The Chords of Steel

    While i do agree that the ending in X and Y seems definitive, i hope we get one or two rounds in the middle. (B2W2 did it)

    ORAS do has room for more content so will definitely get it.
     
  14. Lucky3

    Lucky3 Well-Known Member

    Remember when I said I'm not the biggest fan of the BW arc because it had to follow the game too closely? Well, the exact opposite goes for XY. From chapter one it drops the lackluster story of the games to do its own thing, and I love it. Both X and Y are some of my favorite Dex Holders. This is also bar none the deepest Pokespe and probably Pokemon in general has ever gotten, with special mention to the epilogue. X's speech to Emma was great too. I like the fact that even in the end he didn't become an idealistic hero and was fighting mostly for the things that matter to him. And Y being so emotionally strong throughout the arc was really impressive. I also loved that scene near Laverre, where it seems like they're gonna get into an argument before the final battle like it always happens in fiction, but instead they just talk it out. Why are these kids so mature? It's such a contrast to the teenage drama we were having at the time in ORAS. This arc is also really action-packed. There's always something going on and hardly any time to rest. I can see why that kind of pacing would bother some people, but I personally really like it, and I think it fits the tone quite well. That, along with making Lysandre and Team Flare actually terrifying with their overwhelming reach and resources really makes you feel like this kids are actually in danger. All in all, this arc has to be one my top 2 favorites.

    As for ORAS, it felt like much ado about nothing to me. A lot of stuff happens, but most of it doesn't go anywhere, and the final boss is pretty much a rock because Deoxys doesn't really do anything. So a big chunk of the arc is basically a string of pointless actions enveloped in the super-forced drama of the lovebirds. The whole deal with Ruby and Sapphire isn't that bad on paper, but the execution really leaves to be desired. Zinnia's story was fine, but in the end it didn't affect a lot of things. And that's basically the problem with this arc. You've got all this characters showing up, but since they all want to achieve the same thing and the threat isn't that hard to deal with once you have the appropriate means, they end up in the peanut gallery. Which in turn makes their presence feel unnecessary and irrelevant. That said, there are still cool moments here and there, so I don't really dislike it. I just don't like it either. Here's hoping the volumes improve it, but as it stands now, it has to be my least favorite arc for sure.

    So this Gen has one of my favorites arcs and one of my least favorites.
     
  15. mehmeh1

    mehmeh1 Neutral force of Meh

    wouldn't that be a bit premature, given it's still ongoing with still quite a few plot points to go?
     
  16. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    I thought that too to be honest. In fact I originally made these threads because older Adventures chapters are never going to get monthly-based discussions like newer chapters obviously. However it just hit me that it doesn't really seem to matter much either way if the story arc is in-progress or not because if I did created one based on a complete SMUSUM arc, what if a Let's Go arc appears out of nowhere and becomes in-progress of the same generation? In fact, it's not just Gen 7 but future gens would also undoubtedly have unfinished future arcs, like the Gen 5 discussion thread. This is also one of the reasons why I wanted to do review and thoughts discussions chapter by chapter rather than generations but the mod understandably reasoned that it would be too spread-out if I did it by chapters for the Adventures section if I recall. I feel like at least Sun & Moon has a lot of weight to it's story already, it's the start of Gen 8 and future gens that I have no clue how to proceed with.

    Honestly though, if you got some advice on how the Gen 7 discussion thread should proceed. I'm all ears.
     
  17. mehmeh1

    mehmeh1 Neutral force of Meh

    To stop it from becoming redundant with the discussion topics, I'd say wait for SMUSUM to finish/get into a hiatus and then make the topic, and if an LGPE arc comes out of nowhere, just add it to the title. If you want to do them soon-ish, then I guess it could also work as a way to discuss the arc overall and predictions for how things will or should go, rather than just discussing the current month's chapter.
     
  18. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    I don't think redundancy would be an issue. I believe you think this way partly is that I have so far been doing older chapters on a monthly basis. With Gen 7, that will be the end of the monthly patterns. If I did it soon-ish, there would be around a 3-year gap at the very least for future generation discussion threads to arrive, Sun & Moon released in 2016 and Sword & Shield released in 2019, or as of now at the very most a year until the Sword & Shield chapter releases. However I do agree that there wouldn't really be much to talk about if I created a discussion thread based on a couple of newly released chapters to kick off Pokemon Adventures next generation. If I am to do it more soon-ish than later, I am thinking to wait for at least 10 to 20 chapters for the latest Pokemon generations to have. As of now SMUSUM exceeds that amount and I have already seen an interesting range of developed opinions on the overall SMUSUM arc ranging from disappointment to joy before the story arc's completion. I personally think SMUSUM is at a state where the entire arc can be discussed about but at the same time, I do wish it was finished.
     
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  19. horrahforyou

    horrahforyou Pokemon and Kamen Rider is life

    If Ruby befriends Diancie and Emerald befriends Hoopa, then Sapphire in that case befriends Volcanion.
    How can Ash-Greninja even going to work in the manga if there's no Ash? Unless Kusaka have a creative variation of it with Y.
    There's a lot of Mega Capable Pokemon yet to showcase and more Kalos towns and cities to visit.
     
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  20. shoz999

    shoz999 The Legend of Mudkip

    That makes so much sense. Diancie = Beauty, perfect for Ruby. Hoopa features Imp-like dwarf features and a childish personality, perfect for Emerald. Then there is Volcanion who is quite the battler able to destroy mountains with ease, perfect for Sapphire.
     

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