Reading over Coronis' summary, I can't say I'm anything but disappointed by the ending of HGSS. I didn't expect too much anyway, but everything seems to have been resolved in some big convuleted mess just for the sake of having a pointless "plot twist" thrown in at the end of things. Not unlike the ending of the original GSC story arc.
Here are certain replies to the six-page discussion, complete with quote tags that will probably be messed up:
1) The Dialga, Palkia and Giratina created here at the Mystri Stage are the same ones that appeared in the DPPt series. Pryce explained that Dialga and Palkia are already hostile towards Giratina because they retained their 'memories' from the ancient past. This suggests that this trio were not exactly created from scratch, but more like they existed in the past during the creation of the world, vanished/disappeared/died-off somehow, and Arceus is just bringing them back to life, 'resurrecting' them from their ancient selves as spoken in the myths.
2) Lance explained that Arceus actually wasn't really forced by Archer to do anything. Rather, it followed its own will all along. When it descended from its realm, it carried the conflicting attitude of eliminating humans, yet keeping a small hope for humans as well. It created the DPPt trio to start destroying the world.
4) When Pryce was still in the voids of time, he called out for help and Lance happened to be the one who responded to him. Pryce told him all about the future and thus Lance sent his holograph message to Oak requesting help. Somehow, on the evening Pryce returned to the real world at the Ilex Forest, Giovanni was there, because he was seeking Celebi too to cure his illness (after having heard of the Pokeathlon tale about Celebi being the mythical Pokemon who could heal diseases). Giovanni was hostile towards Pryce at the beginning, actually attacking him so bad that he nearly killed him. But Lance appeared and convinced Giovanni to work with them to stop the crisis which would destroy the world first (which destruction will include Silver).
7) While everyone was fighting at the Sinjoh Ruins, Celebi is actually finding the herbs and meds to cure Giovanni with the help of Gold's Pichu (don't ask me how, maybe through Oak?).
8) Giovanni accepts this, and wants him to become stronger under Lance and Pryce, his two former teachers, and come back to challenge him some day.
11) It is revealed that Proteinman Omega was actually the creation of the Goldenrod Radio Director, basing his character on Red's Pokemon. Silver is somehow addicted to it.
13) Finally, with all that said, HGSS happens before the DPPt series. There's no definite time indication, but it says that 'Time has passed and the stage has shifted', which indicated it may even be years. Long ago, when DP was first serialized in the magazines, it mentioned about Rowan returning to Sinnoh after 4 years of absence (alluding to his visit to Oak in Kanto/Johto for the Pokedexes). This was changed to 'some time' in the manga, but it seems that this 4 year time line between Emerald and DP may be true afterall. So Emerald -> 3 years -> HGSS -> 1 year -> DP? This puts Gold, Silver and Crys at 17, Red, Green, Blu at 20, Yellow at 18. And if the time lapse between BW and Platinum is a few years more, we do have adult Dex Holders by the time BW2 comes around. And for Saque, she's still on the run in that case (since Platinum is latest chapter that involves her, despite just a mention). And Mewtwo spent 4 years chasing after her not knowing that the Dex Holders have been restored? Poor Mewtwo.
1) Well that's kinda dumb. I guess we can just throw all of Sinnoh's mythos in the trash then, if their legendary Pokemon aren't even a damn year old in reality. Granted I can't remember much about the manga's interpretation of this, but whatever. *reads more* Wait...they existed before, but they were created now? Oh screw it, none of this makes sense anyway.
2) Why does Lance know this? Oh wait, magical Viridian Forest powers, I forgot. Someone still needs to explain to me why the Virdian Forest of all places has these magical powers to give out to these "special" children. Still, Arceus is the god of Pokemon. Apparently the Viridian Forest allows you to read the minds of gods. Seems kinda troubling imo.
4) I knew the logic behind Pryce's return would be dumb, so I'm not even gonna ***** about this. Still, better than the jack-all "explanation" of Giovanni being there. "Oh, I'm just conveniently out on a stroll." Literally hilarious.
7) Everyone else is just conveniently around with no explanation, so Gold's Pichu shouldn't be any different I guess.
8) So Silver's gonna be all buddy-buddy with Pryce now? Good to know that childhood trauma can be solved with a slap on the wrist. Let's be buddies now!
11) Kinda funny, I'll never know the decision behind making the Director such an "important" character but I can totes see Silver being addicted to the show.
13) I actually like this. I don't know much sense it makes in the grand scheme of things, but at least we have some kind of consistency going on now with the Gen IV timeline. Poor Mewtwo indeed, he just completely disappeared with no explanation the second he stopped being useful to the plot.
May I also say that the writers are almost making Celebi the solution and link to nearly every big legendary clash now. It was involved in the Ho-oh and Lugia plot. It stopped Kyogre and Groudon. It stopped Dialga/Palkia/Giratina too. Guess being able to travel freely through time makes it the 'guardian' of everything, forseeing everything and trying to stop them... Luckily Reshiram and Zekrom's battle are unlikely world-threatening, but then maybe Kyurem will freeze the entire world? I don't know.
Celebi's been the resident Deus Ex Machina for a while now actually, he just took a break during Emerald to let Jirachi have the spotlight for a bit.
That whole resurrecting the DPPt trio makes no sense, since the Pokedex stated that with every breath Palkia takes space becomes more stable and that time flows with every heartbeat of Dialga. How was it possible for time to flow if Dialga was death? Isn't time supposed to be frozen is Dialga ceases to exist? If Giratina was imprisoned in the distortion world how did it die? from loneliness?
I feel like pretending that the whole HGSS fiasco never happened.
It was just something ruined so the manga could have some kind of "consistency," it really does make no sense when you stop to think about. Kinda sends all of Sinnoh's mythos to hell as well as I mentioned.
Me too, it feels like it was more trouble than it was worth to be honest.
So, in PokeSpe, Sinnoh and Johto are not geographically close to one another and are just simply linked by this inter-dimensional crap? Or are they still close to each other and this dimensional area is there anyways?
"Silver, I want you to study under the supervision of the guy that kidnapped you and a bunch of other kids!"
...Smooth one, Giovanni.
I know I'm getting a lot of my facts wrong in this post, but I really couldn't give a flying **** at this point. In my opinion, the art was good but the writing wasn't. I know Kusaka can do better than this.
Sure, why not? Everything can be explained with you friendly inter-dimensional wormhole!
Like I said, everything gets solved with the slap on the wrist in PokeSpecial world. Giovanni is a moron to say the least, but then again he's a moron in the games as well so at least there's consistency.
Yeah, I can't really remember all the "plot points" either, so maybe all of this does make some kind of sense...somehow. As I said at the beginning, I feel like everything was made overly convulated to make something "epic," but it failed majorly. Kinda like how the original GSC arc ended.
This entire volume was a continuity nightmare.
If Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina have been resurrected by Arceus, how have the forces of time, space, and anti-matter held themselves together? How did Team Galactic know that the time they tried to take control of Dialga and Palkia was right after they were brought back from the dead? What was Sird using Archie for? What was the point of the Emerald chapter?
Why does Arceus want to destroy all humans? How did puny meatbags piss off a god? Why does it need the creation trio to destroy the world? Why are they beefed up to be more of a threat than they really are? What is the point of the Team Rocket Generals?
How did Lance rescue Pryce from the time stream? Why did he do it? Why are they so willing to believe Pryce when he is a well known liar and terrorist?
How does one kid's Pokemon evolving change Arceus' mind? Why should he give up when he has plenty of evidence to justify his actions based on the Team Rocket Generals alone? What was the point of the Team Rocket Generals?
Why does Giovanni let him do this? Why would Giovanni want Silver to train under the man who kidnapped him? Why would he want Silver to challenge him sometime in the future anyway? If Giovanni is still a cold hearted criminal, why does he not shoot Silver? What was the point of the FRLG chapter?
How did the fourth most popular character not get a better cameo? Why were none of the first four Pokedex Holders called when the threat was supposed to be this big and Team Rocket was rumored to be involved? If this is their last chapter, why did the first four not appear? How does Petrel know that Lance is scared of Yellow? How does Petrel know Yellow? Why is Lance scared of her if she is the reason that he supposedly repented?
What has Team Galactic been doing in all that time? Was Cyrus in the corner picking his nose and shooting spit wads at Jupiter for all that time? How come neither Sird nor Mewtwo have heard that the Seniors where released from the petrification in four years? Wasn't that on national television? What was the point of the Emerald chapter?
This, pretty much.
Well to be honest with you, if this whole episode reflects even more poorly on Emerald I'd be kinda pleased by that, lmfao.
I'm just kinda more bugged by the fact that Lance can apparently read the mind of a GOD. Arceus' role was so diminished here, Celebi pretty much stole his thunder.
THIS. You already ruined Pryce's character years ago, manga, don't think you can go and fix things so easily!
I don't even remember who the Team Rocket Generals are, the HGSS admins right? I can't remember what they were there for so I can't even be annoyed by this.
Lol @ 'if Giovanni is still a cold-hearted criminal, why does he not shoot Silver?' That made me laugh.
Yellow's the fourth most popular character? Ew, she's not even a very good character. Mary Sue of epic proportions. Red could've appeared because he's always welcome, but Blue and Green could be killed off in a random fiery explosion for all I care. I've never really cared for those two characters.
Pretty much all of this, as said if this all reflects poorly on Emerald? I'm all for that.
This whole thing has made me realize something. While it looks like a manga, Pokemon Adventures is really just a super hero comic book. Villains aren't killed off so that they can appear later, everything goes back to the status quo at the end (no matter how bad things got), and people are automatically forgiven no matter how bad their crimes were (Avengers #200 anyone?).
There are many people who know about Giovanni's involvement in Team Rocket. They've just worked for him in the past and respect him, or they are scared of him. The Dex Holders are the only exception to this and they just don't do it for some unexplained reason.
Well, it is written for kids after all. You can't really expect to see some big justice system to show up in Pokemon. Ash has had what, fifteen years to press charges against Jessie and James for stalking him and trying to steal his electric rodent? Whatever. It's Pokemon.
I just skipped over most of the other posts but it was kinda funny to me how so many people are on the pro-team for letting Pryce get away with his crimes and to forgive and forget "because it happened long ago." Seriously some kind of warped logic there, but what the hell it's a manga. Can't really expect too much real-life logic when it comes to this.
If I sound like an idiot in most of this post I apologize, I can't really bring myself to care/remember most of the crap that's happened previously in this chapter. I am glad to see that many people besides me were put off by this sloppy ending, though.