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Pokemon Arena Round 4

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Divine Retribution

Divine Retribution

Conquistador de pan
mudkip25875 said:
one on one assumes no switching in. No previous damage means Venusaur obviously had time to Mega Evolve. if the sets posted for Mamo and Venu were actually the standard Venu can win. So it can still count.

Clefable@leftovers
Magic Guard
Bold
252 hp/ 252 def/ 6 sp att
Moonblast
Fire blast
thunderbolt
softboiled
i
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Except it can't, because it can't come in and mega evolve on the same turn. No prior damage means when it takes the hit it's at full health. When Venusaur comes in, it won't be in Mega forme and will easily be decimated by Icicle Spear.

Don't pretend like you know the rules to this better than the people who made it.
 
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Eaglehawk

Banned
dewey911p said:
Completely missed that Superpower on T-Tar, my bad.

Nidoking @ Life Orb
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 S. Atk/ 252 Spd
Timid
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
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Bronzong @ Assault Vest
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Att / 4 SpDef
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt (idk if it gets this)
- Explosion

Completely immune to Nido's STABs.

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Bronzong: 55-65 (16.2 - 19.2%) -- possible 6HKO

252+ Atk Bronzong Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 230-272 (75.6 - 89.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I think from now on, we're going to need to have people justify how Pokemon B counters Pokemon A like above.
 
Zachmac

Zachmac

Well-Known Member
Eaglehawk said:
Bronzong @ Assault Vest
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Att / 4 SpDef
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt (idk if it gets this)
- Explosion
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Aegislash @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Attack/Brave
0 Speed
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Claw
-Gyro Ball
-Sacred Sword

It comes in on EQ which 3HKOs, 'Slash uses SD then OHKOs.
 
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mudkip25875

Banned
Divine Retribution said:
Except it can't, because it can't come in and mega evolve on the same turn. No prior damage means when it takes the hit it's at full health. When Venusaur comes in, it won't be in Mega forme and will easily be decimated by Icicle Spear.

Don't pretend like you know the rules to this better than the people who made it.
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There's no clarification that the pokemon wasn't already out in battle, which didn't matter before but now it does when there's mega evolutions.

Don't pretend like you can hold a candle to the people's champion.
 
Divine Retribution

Divine Retribution

Conquistador de pan
mudkip25875 said:
There's no clarification that the pokemon wasn't already out in battle, which didn't matter before but now it does when there's mega evolutions.

Don't pretend like you can hold a candle to the people's champion.
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There's also no clarification that the Pokemon isn't hacked with 999 stats or something. Sometimes you need to fill in the blanks yourself. It's called common sense.

Go get some.
 
KillerDraco

KillerDraco

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Zachmac said:
Aegislash @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Attack/Brave
0 Speed
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Claw
-Gyro Ball
-Sacred Sword

It comes in on EQ which 3HKOs, 'Slash uses SD then OHKOs.
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Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
Overcoat
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpDef
-Foul Play
-Roost
-Toxic
-Knock Off

Even with the aforementioned Swords Dance:

+2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 97-114 (22.8 - 26.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 167-197 (39.3 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Gyro Ball (35 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 97-115 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 0 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 1314-1548 (405.5 - 477.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Eaglehawk

Banned
Zachmac said:
Aegislash @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Attack/Brave
0 Speed
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Claw
-Gyro Ball
-Sacred Sword

It comes in on EQ which 3HKOs, 'Slash uses SD then OHKOs.
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Sableye @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Att
Relaxed Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Foul Play
- Taunt

Gyro Ball's power in this situation would be 21.78 (Relaxed Sableye is 122 and Brave Aegislash is 140).

+2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 138-163 (45.3 - 53.6%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Gyro Ball (21 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 73-87 (24 - 28.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ Atk burned Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 69-81 (22.6 - 26.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ Atk burned Aegislash-Blade Gyro Ball (21 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 36-43 (11.8 - 14.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever

+2 0 Atk Sableye Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 1314-1548 (405.5 - 477.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 Atk Sableye Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 660-776 (203.7 - 239.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Regardless whether Aegislash attacks or set ups on the switch in. Sableye can take a hit and responds by manhandling it with Will-O-Wisp and Foul Play.

Ninja'd.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpAtt / 4 Def
IVs: 0 Att
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Heal Bell
- Dazzling Gleam
- Substitute

Togekiss Togekiss doesn't care about being Knocked Off and Foul Play does minimal damage to it. Regardless whether Mandibuzz knocks me or not, it's set-up bait and I can Nasty Plot safely.
 
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mudkip25875

Banned
Divine Retribution said:
There's also no clarification that the Pokemon isn't hacked with 999 stats or something. Sometimes you need to fill in the blanks yourself. It's called common sense.

Go get some.
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Except mine isn't illegal in battle and can just be the pokemon was already sent out. That's not a case of lack of common sense that's just a possibility. lol sorry i forgot you are the great divine retribution and are at the forefront of the pokemon metagame. I'll go train in the mountains so I can become as big headed at a video game as you.

THunudurs-Therian@Choice Specs
Volt absorb
3 att IVs Timid
252 sp att/ 252 spe
Tbolt
Focus Blast
HP Ice
Thunder
 
McDanger

McDanger

Well-Known Member
mudkip25875 said:
There's no clarification that the pokemon wasn't already out in battle, which didn't matter before but now it does when there's mega evolutions.

Don't pretend like you can hold a candle to the people's champion.
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6) You must be able to switch in and win 70% of the time or better.. So don't just say "I switch in and use Focus Blast three times in a row".
7) Assume your opponent can predict perfectly. You will always switch in on the worst move possible.

cause thats not clear. last warning, anymore arguing about the rules when its clearly stated will end with the "peoples champion" being infracted
 
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jesusfreak94

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Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
-Scald
-Ice Beam
-Earth Power
-Recover

Takes anything from our dear champion's Thundurus-T and beats it down with Ice Beam.
 
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Snorby

Snorby
Entei@Choice Band
252 Atk 252 Spd
Adamant
Sacred Fire
ExtremeSpeed
Bulldoze
Stone Edge
 
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jesusfreak94

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Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
-Calm Mind
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Surf

The max Entei can do is 31.4% with Stone Edge.
 
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Cherche

Banned
Jellicent (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Def / 84 Spd
Calm Nature
- Night Shade
- Taunt
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp

Shuts down Suicune completely & forces it to retreat.
 
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McDanger

McDanger

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Litleo@stick
adamant
252 attack/252speed
-crunch
-ember
-growl
-taunt

Taunt then crunch, stick for swag points
 
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KillerDraco

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' - ' ...Well I can honestly say I didn't see that one coming.

Greninja @ Life Orb
Timid Nature
Protean
4HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Surf
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
 
McDanger

McDanger

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Rotom Wash@choice specs
modest
252hp/252sp attack
-thunderbolt
-hp fire
-hydro pump
-shadow ball
 
KillerDraco

KillerDraco

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Y'know I've been wondering... do we assume that if the Pokemon-to-counter has a Choice item, it would still be locked into the "obvious" move that it would've used to KO the preceding Pokemon? Regardless...

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Calm Nature
Chlorophyll -> Thick Fat
252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpDef
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power Rock
-Synthesis

If it's locked into Thunderbolt it's a no-brainer. If not...

252+ SpA Choice Specs Rotom-W Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Venusaur: 136-160 (37.3 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Rotom-W Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Thick Fat Mega Venusaur: 60-72 (16.4 - 19.7%) -- possible 6HKO

4 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 182-216 (59.8 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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