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Pokemon biology

Discussion in 'General Pokémon Discussion' started by Gumzilla, May 13, 2018.

  1. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    Plusle prefers to get along with Minum instead of other Plusle, and vice versa. After all, like charges repel
     
  2. lolipiece

    lolipiece ウソです3: スイレンの逆襲 Staff Member Moderator

    According to Cyrus' notes in Platinum, the reason he even needed to use the Red Chain was that if Dialga and Palkia were caught in Poke Balls, it would actually prevent them from using their full power.

    So who knows.
     
  3. Mega Altaria

    Mega Altaria 4th anniversary of ORAS, 16th anniversary of RS

    And opposite charges attract. In some way electron particles could exist in the Pokémon universe and Plusle are naturally born with a deficiency of electrons to give it a positive charge and Minun are born with an excess of electrons to give them a negative charge, hence their names. But then it could be the case Plusle and Minun are naturally attracted to one another and not of the same species.
     
  4. Ducolamia

    Ducolamia SAYYYY WHAT???

    I'd like to think that pokemon have evolved with humans to understand some form of human speech. I know the Pokedex makes a big deal of pokemon understanding what humans say such as Latios and Lucario, but I'd like to think that Pokemon already have some basic understanding. After all, how could a pokemon understand to use a certain move if they don't understand humans at all? My theory is that the pokemon throughout their lifespan have these moves programmed into their genetic coding. These moves correspond with certain parts of human speech and thus they recognize them and are able to use them (at their required level).

    Pokemon, of course, have the choice to ignore their trainers under special circumstances, but I'm still not buying that Pokemon can't understand humans whatsoever.
     
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  5. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    Kyurem being from a meteor in space is true, from a certain point of view. The Original Dragon landed in ancient Unova from space, and Kyurem is supposed to be what's left of the Original Dragon after it split into Reshiram and Zekrom

    Both Genesect and Type: Null were developed with knowledge of Mewtwo in mind. There may have even been scientists who helped development with two or all three of them.
     
  6. Mega Altaria

    Mega Altaria 4th anniversary of ORAS, 16th anniversary of RS

    I think Type: Null fits better with the genetic technologies scientists would use to create it. It was just a creature with various features to make it more hardy and become capable on taking on the Ultra Beasts. I personally think of Genesect as more of a cyborg because of the fitting of a cannon on its back. Although some genetic modifications would have to be made to allow the cannon to fit and to overall make that Pokémon more powerful, it was only modified from the DNA found in the fossil rather than recombining genes just to create an entirely different creature and to give it a much different appearance.
     
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  7. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    This is more a specific Pokemon, but the reason for why AZ's Floette is different is because the flower it uses no longer exists. She's 3000+ years old, the flower went extinct at least in Kalos. Also, checking the programming reveals AZ's Floette has a move no other can learn(Light of Ruin), its BST is just one under Florges and can neither evolve nor breed. I believe that its a consequence of the modifying power of the Ultimate Weapon and its revival. Just like how AZ himself is both immortal and has grown nine feet tall. Even if someone stops aging at a point, they aren't going to keep growing to such a size and they shouldn't even be able to support their own weight. AZ is mutated by the weapon, and so is his Floette
     
  8. Mega Altaria

    Mega Altaria 4th anniversary of ORAS, 16th anniversary of RS

    Maybe the flower has evolved, more like devolved, into weaker variants like what happened to Magikarp. Or maybe that flower was artificially modified and the modification process was lost forever.
     
  9. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    Team Rocket also had a hand in the creation of Porygon. Think about where you find it originally-being sold by the same game corner that Team Rocket owns. And its the biggest prize. Their fingers are in a lot of pies.
     
  10. byconcept

    byconcept Member

    Pokemon enjoy battling for its own sake and consider their relationship with their trainer to be a mutually beneficial one based on friendship and respect. However, when Pokemon are used for other jobs (ie Ampharos working in a lighthouse), they consider it employment and expect some kind of remuneration such as Pokemon food. Meowths might even expect Pokedollars. Most Pokemon, even some of the dumbest, have brains that are capable of mathematics and understanding fairness/morality.

    When a Pokemon in the wild 'faints', this actually its own body detecting that it's lost the battle and hence takes on a defeated stance that ends the match, essentially just playing dead. Although they are hurt, they are not mortally injured or really incapacitated beyond the point of being able to protect themselves. Additionally, Pokemon that have fainted in the wild heal themselves with wild berries. Pokemon that have trainers are able to 'disable' this fainting instinct longer through sheer willpower if they love their trainer enough and because they know they'll be taken to a Pokemon Center to be healed.

    Azumarills use their glowing tails to bait Pokemon when swimming in order to battle them.

    In the anime, the Pokemon saying their own names demonstrates that most Pokemon have vocal cords very similar to humans. Pokemon like Meowth suggest that most Pokemon can be taught to talk, similar to how parrots can be trained to speak.

    Steel Pokemon such as Skarmory and Aegislash are made of a special kind of flesh/steel hybrid that regenerates very rapidly. This prevents them from rusting, hence making them strong against water types.

    Pokemon don't actually 'lay' eggs but instead, when they're friendly towards each other, are able to perform a fifth move that produces an egg. This can only happen under certain conditions and the Pokemon nursery is especially good at creating these conditions. The move takes a LOT of energy so its best that they are away from their trainer where they won't waste their energy on battles.

    Rapidash produces a gas that combusts as soon as it comes into contact with air. Their fur is coated with a slick, fireproof oil that prevents them from burning.
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2018
  11. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    Pokemon are capable of lethal moves, at least when a power limiter like a Pokeball isn't used. It's just that when they face a trainer they don't use them since they aren't necessary to get them away. The power limiter thing is probably why Ghetsis didn't just try to contain Kyurem in a Pokeball; he wants a weapon that can mass murder in his sociopathic eyes. Pokemon have a warrior code, and wild Pokemon usually try to kill their opponent for regular animal survival purposes.

    The mutation that leads to Diancie is a consequence of the Ultimate Weapon being fired 3000 years ago. Carbink have slept underground for hundreds of millions of years, so three millennia would be nothing to them. Diancie's stats match what you'd expect from a Mega Evolution of Carbink(100 boost HP even stays the same), AZ's Floette is much stronger than a natural Floette and it was in the center of the weapon being resurrected. It's clearly made AZ superhuman as well since he's stopped aging past his seventies and can support a nine foot tall body. This is the reason why Diancie is a Mythical Pokemon-only a limited amount of Diancie could be created as the Ultimate Weapon was only fired 3000 years ago, and partially/possibly in the main story of X and Y. Also, Carbink can be found not too far from where the Ultimate Weapon exists. Any mutation of nearby Pokemon can't be found as either they weren't present 3000 years or because they can't live that long
     
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  12. Tao Dragon

    Tao Dragon The Original Dragon of Unova

    I've always assumed that Pokémon egg groups were a product of close relationships between species, although there are cases that contradict this notion. The reason being that, in real life, some species can produce hybrids if they are very closely related. They must be of the same genus for this to happen, the genus being comparable to an egg group. I've always thought that this is where the game developers got the idea of egg groups from. However, they expanded on it and took creative liberties because, although egg groups seem to unify many similar species together, they also unify unrelated species and, at the same time, separates related ones.

    Take the water 3 egg group as an example. It unifies the majority of the crustacean Pokémon together alongside other aquatic or semi - aquatic arthropods. However, they are also united with other miscellaneous invertebrates such as cnidarian and echinoderm Pokémon. That's because this egg group was designed to unify aquatic invertebrates together. It's an attempt to classify Pokémon by what they are without knowing how to or caring much to bother investigating. What this type of classification ends up doing is unifying Pokémon by their habitat and behavioral habits. Doing so separates the aquatic arthropods from the terrestrial ones and, in turn, unites them to other distantly related invertebrates instead. It also separates cnidarian Pokémon, such as Tentacruel and Corsola, from Jellicent and echinoderm Pokémon, such as Cradily, from Toxapex and Pykumuku. It also breaks its own criterium as it includes two types of vertebrates, Archeops and Carracosta, which have no business doing anything in there.

    If this egg group were done correctly to reflect relationship between species, it would have to include all related Pokémon by phylum and/or clade (section if it excludes ancestors or descendants). If we are including invertebrate Pokémon only, this means that all cnidarian, echinoderm and arthropod Pokémon have to be included, as well as other related, yet, previously excluded groups (mollusks). Then you get less inconsistencies when pairing Pokémon together for reproductive purposes. Alternatively, you can exclude all arthropods and dedicate a separate egg group for them (Bug egg group), the same for all vertebrates (Water 2 and beyond). Then what you get is the non - arthropod invertebrate section of the clade metazoa, effectively excluding only vertebrates and arthropods from that section/egg group, both being more specialized groups of metazoans. It would still be a broad egg group that includes different kinds of Pokémon, but all of them would be more closely related to each other than, let's say, Omastar is to Archeops. You would also get Pokémon more closely related to the Water 2 egg group (Echinoderms) and others more closely related to the Bug egg group (Mollusks) within Water 3. You may also assign two egg groups to any Pokémon representative of a transitional species.

    Now, this would be an example of an egg group based on a Pokémon's basis in real life. I understand that Pokémon are not animals per se. Pokémon may contain animal - like characteristics, and some may be their equivalents in the Pokémon world. Some also possess mixed characteristics between two types of species in real life. But without being able compare their molecular data, classifying them accordingly would be very cumbersome, and if we take egg groups as literal evolutionary maps, then we'd get a jumbled mess. We'd get Pokémon making gene transfers from one branch to another or evolving from seemingly illogical clades with little to no derived synapomorphies shared among their close relatives. That's why it makes more sense for egg groups to reflect evolutionary relationships the way I described.
     
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2019
  13. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    Many legendary/mythical Pokemon can technically breed, but cannot do so due to requiring special circumstances rather than a simple daycare and Ditto. The Cosmog line suggests that just because something's in Undiscovered doesn't mean it can't reproduce at all
    • Legendary birds, Celebi, Eon duo, Heatran, Regigigas, Shaymin: Requires special environments related to their elemental powers or where they come from/represent
    • Mew duo: Could have become infertile at this point, it would explain why they are so rare they are thought to be a mirage. Mewtwo was made through specific, brutal genetic engineering that the daycare center would neither be able to or willing to invest in
    • Beast, Golem, Lake, Creation Trios: Created by another being, probably can't reproduce on their own
    • Lugia: Might need to reproduce deep underwater
    • Ho-oh: Probably reproduces like a mythological phoenix
    • Weather trio, Deoxys, Arceus, Reshiram, Zekrom: Aren't born in any normal sense of the word, as such wouldn't be able to make more of themselves
    • Jirachi, Kyurem: May come from space, wouldn't be able to breed outside of its home
    • Cresselia, Darkrai, Victini, Musketeer Quartet, Meloetta, Volcanion, Marshadow, Zeraora: Honestly I don't know
    • Forces of Nature, Xerneas and Yveltal, Zygarde, Tapus: Considered deities, comes into existence in some divine way the Daycare and Ditto couldn't possible replicate
    • Genesect, Type: Null, Silvally, Magearna: Artificial beings, were not designed with the ability to reproduce/are so altered it's physically impossible
    • Diancie: Freak mutation rendered it infertile
    • Hoopa: Portals suggest it could go to or come from another universe to procreate
     
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  14. Tao Dragon

    Tao Dragon The Original Dragon of Unova

    Agreed, and let's be honest, the undiscovered egg group is a game mechanic designed to prevent the player from acquiring more legendary or mythical Pokémon through the use of that method. You could get an endless supply of otherwise "rare" Pokémon if it were so. But approaching the topic from a in - universe point of view, as you've said, most legendary Pokémon are capable of breeding, it's just a rare occurance. Their breeding rate is not as high as other, more common types of Pokémon, probably because of their incredibly long lifespans.

    However, most legendary Pokémon seem to be biological lifeforms, so I guess they wouldn't reproduce much differently from regular Pokémon. Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres and Ho - oh seem to be species of birds, and Lugia is an aviale alongside them. If the legendary breeding restriction wasn't applied to them, they would just as easily form part of the flying egg group alongside most avian Pokémon. I see no reason as to why they wouldn't be able to breed with them if common types of Pokémon can interbreed. I just assume that the reason why no eggs have been discovered in the daycare is because they breed rarely, and like you mentioned, may require additional conditions that need to be met. I assume the same of the Eon Duo, Shaymin, The Musketeer Quartet, between others.

    As for Regigigas and the Legendary Titans, they are purely artificial "lifeforms," if you can even call them that. They seem to be made out of raw minerals, and don't seem to possess internal structure or mechanisms, instead being animated by a mysterious life granting force. As golems, the legendary titans were crafted in Regigigas image each through the use of different materials. This is as close as they will get to anything called reproduction. I don't believe they are capable of reproducing in the normal sense. I believe that Regigigas is similar, although it may be capable of crafting other like itself given the right materials. As to who built it, it may have been an ancient civilization or perhaps another Pokémon, such as Arceus, capable of embuing it with a lifeforce. Additionally, there are some design elements that may be referencing Arceus, such as its white color and golden rings, but that's just conjecture.

    As for mineral Pokémon such as Diancie or Necrozma, they may be capable of budding. They may produce a mineral seed that may require certain conditions to grow such as the right temperature and environment. Then, they may grow deep underground after thousands of years of incubation.

    Even though the Unown aren't considered legendary Pokémon, I believe they are responsible for the creation of primordial Pokémon (includes Arceus, Cresselia, the Original Dragon of Unova and the Light Trio) and an obscure group of item - like Pokémon (includes Wobbuffet, Sigilyph and, possibly, the Guardian Deities of Alola). I might explain this in a separate post if anyone is interested.
     
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  15. Bguy7

    Bguy7 The Dragon Lord

    We see that Unown are involved in the creation of Palkia and Dialga in the Heart Gold/Soul Silver event, so the theory is plausible. But how would they have created Arceus? Arceus is supposedly the thing that came first in the Pokémon Universe. It wouldn't make much sense to say that a different Pokémon created it. Also, Heart Gold and Soul Silver made it seem like Arceus was commanding the Unown in the creation process, as it was Arceus that was needed in the first place for the event. A better version of the theory would be that Arceus came first, and created the Unown, who in turn were used as tools by Arceus to create the other Legendary Pokémon you mentioned.
     
  16. shoz999

    shoz999 Do you play competitive bro?

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    The Unown are Arceus's 1000 arms, an extension of his will to create the universe.
     
  17. Bguy7

    Bguy7 The Dragon Lord

    It's certainly possible, but has not been confirmed, or even implied, that Unown is what Arceus' Pokédex entry is referring to.
     
  18. shoz999

    shoz999 Do you play competitive bro?

    I'd say it's implied a lot by default in the games and the Adventures manga. What else to do "1000 arms" that symbolize crafting a universe refer to?
     
  19. Bguy7

    Bguy7 The Dragon Lord

    It's mythology, who knows? It may not refer to anything literal at all, or it may refer to some sort of facet of Arceus that isn't normally seen.

    It's certainly a good guess/fan theory to say that Unown are the "arms" of Arceus, thanks to the event in Heart Gold/Soul Silver, but that's all it is. We can't say that it's actually the case with any certainty.
     
  20. shoz999

    shoz999 Do you play competitive bro?

    I don't know about certainty but there is definitely strong evidence of it that it feels kind of too obvious.

    As you may know, one of the benefits of theorizing with others in the Pokemon Adventures fanbase of where a story may go is discussing heavily about the deep lore of Pokemon, including the little subtle details that not even the anime ever considers. For this case, it's the Unown who appear in the Sinjoh Ruins and one detail that Pokemon fans notice in the Pokemon Adventures HGSS chapter is that the Unown appear in a very peculiar way than previously, being commanded by Arceus himself. Not only that but what adds even more intrigue to Arceus is that the Unown appear, key-word appear, to be coming from not outside of the cave but from Arceus's own body. While that's to be debated whether or not Unown IS Arceus but what is for sure is that Arceus commands the Unown, they are an extension of his will. This is accurate and this appears to be the same case for the games. From this we can assume that Arceus's 1000 arms that crafted the Universe are none other than the endless number of Unown that helped crafted Palkia, Giratina and Dialga during the creation process in the Sinjoh Ruins. When the creation process is over, there's no more Unown literally. We don't ever see them again after Arceus finished creating them and this is how it goes in the games actually.
     
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