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Pokemon biology

RedJirachi

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Plusle prefers to get along with Minum instead of other Plusle, and vice versa. After all, like charges repel
 

lolipiece

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The Creation and Lake Trio, and Arceus, aren't the actual thing. They are more like avatars, Pokemon manifestation of the "true" Creation Trio, Lake Trio and Arceus. The Lake Trio's bodies are mere meat suits their souls inhabit and they can make new ones if necessary. The Creation Trio's true form is the dimension they come from, the dragons are the bodies they use to interact. And Arceus exists outside of time and space, using a sort of puppet that you can catch. That's why you're even capable of catching beings in charge of the fundamental aspects of reality, without causing some sort of cosmic cataclysm from the guardians of said fundamental aspects of reality being in Pokeballs fighting

According to Cyrus' notes in Platinum, the reason he even needed to use the Red Chain was that if Dialga and Palkia were caught in Poke Balls, it would actually prevent them from using their full power.

So who knows.
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
Plusle prefers to get along with Minum instead of other Plusle, and vice versa. After all, like charges repel
And opposite charges attract. In some way electron particles could exist in the Pokémon universe and Plusle are naturally born with a deficiency of electrons to give it a positive charge and Minun are born with an excess of electrons to give them a negative charge, hence their names. But then it could be the case Plusle and Minun are naturally attracted to one another and not of the same species.
 

Ducolamia

SAYYYY WHAT???
I'd like to think that pokemon have evolved with humans to understand some form of human speech. I know the Pokedex makes a big deal of pokemon understanding what humans say such as Latios and Lucario, but I'd like to think that Pokemon already have some basic understanding. After all, how could a pokemon understand to use a certain move if they don't understand humans at all? My theory is that the pokemon throughout their lifespan have these moves programmed into their genetic coding. These moves correspond with certain parts of human speech and thus they recognize them and are able to use them (at their required level).

Pokemon, of course, have the choice to ignore their trainers under special circumstances, but I'm still not buying that Pokemon can't understand humans whatsoever.
 

RedJirachi

Veteran member
Kyurem being from a meteor in space is true, from a certain point of view. The Original Dragon landed in ancient Unova from space, and Kyurem is supposed to be what's left of the Original Dragon after it split into Reshiram and Zekrom

Both Genesect and Type: Null were developed with knowledge of Mewtwo in mind. There may have even been scientists who helped development with two or all three of them.
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
Both Genesect and Type: Null were developed with knowledge of Mewtwo in mind. There may have even been scientists who helped development with two or all three of them.
I think Type: Null fits better with the genetic technologies scientists would use to create it. It was just a creature with various features to make it more hardy and become capable on taking on the Ultra Beasts. I personally think of Genesect as more of a cyborg because of the fitting of a cannon on its back. Although some genetic modifications would have to be made to allow the cannon to fit and to overall make that Pokémon more powerful, it was only modified from the DNA found in the fossil rather than recombining genes just to create an entirely different creature and to give it a much different appearance.
 

RedJirachi

Veteran member
This is more a specific Pokemon, but the reason for why AZ's Floette is different is because the flower it uses no longer exists. She's 3000+ years old, the flower went extinct at least in Kalos. Also, checking the programming reveals AZ's Floette has a move no other can learn(Light of Ruin), its BST is just one under Florges and can neither evolve nor breed. I believe that its a consequence of the modifying power of the Ultimate Weapon and its revival. Just like how AZ himself is both immortal and has grown nine feet tall. Even if someone stops aging at a point, they aren't going to keep growing to such a size and they shouldn't even be able to support their own weight. AZ is mutated by the weapon, and so is his Floette
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
Maybe the flower has evolved, more like devolved, into weaker variants like what happened to Magikarp. Or maybe that flower was artificially modified and the modification process was lost forever.
 

RedJirachi

Veteran member
Team Rocket also had a hand in the creation of Porygon. Think about where you find it originally-being sold by the same game corner that Team Rocket owns. And its the biggest prize. Their fingers are in a lot of pies.
 

byconcept

Member
Pokemon enjoy battling for its own sake and consider their relationship with their trainer to be a mutually beneficial one based on friendship and respect. However, when Pokemon are used for other jobs (ie Ampharos working in a lighthouse), they consider it employment and expect some kind of remuneration such as Pokemon food. Meowths might even expect Pokedollars. Most Pokemon, even some of the dumbest, have brains that are capable of mathematics and understanding fairness/morality.

When a Pokemon in the wild 'faints', this actually its own body detecting that it's lost the battle and hence takes on a defeated stance that ends the match, essentially just playing dead. Although they are hurt, they are not mortally injured or really incapacitated beyond the point of being able to protect themselves. Additionally, Pokemon that have fainted in the wild heal themselves with wild berries. Pokemon that have trainers are able to 'disable' this fainting instinct longer through sheer willpower if they love their trainer enough and because they know they'll be taken to a Pokemon Center to be healed.

Azumarills use their glowing tails to bait Pokemon when swimming in order to battle them.

In the anime, the Pokemon saying their own names demonstrates that most Pokemon have vocal cords very similar to humans. Pokemon like Meowth suggest that most Pokemon can be taught to talk, similar to how parrots can be trained to speak.

Steel Pokemon such as Skarmory and Aegislash are made of a special kind of flesh/steel hybrid that regenerates very rapidly. This prevents them from rusting, hence making them strong against water types.

Pokemon don't actually 'lay' eggs but instead, when they're friendly towards each other, are able to perform a fifth move that produces an egg. This can only happen under certain conditions and the Pokemon nursery is especially good at creating these conditions. The move takes a LOT of energy so its best that they are away from their trainer where they won't waste their energy on battles.

Rapidash produces a gas that combusts as soon as it comes into contact with air. Their fur is coated with a slick, fireproof oil that prevents them from burning.
 
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RedJirachi

Veteran member
Pokemon are capable of lethal moves, at least when a power limiter like a Pokeball isn't used. It's just that when they face a trainer they don't use them since they aren't necessary to get them away. The power limiter thing is probably why Ghetsis didn't just try to contain Kyurem in a Pokeball; he wants a weapon that can mass murder in his sociopathic eyes. Pokemon have a warrior code, and wild Pokemon usually try to kill their opponent for regular animal survival purposes.

The mutation that leads to Diancie is a consequence of the Ultimate Weapon being fired 3000 years ago. Carbink have slept underground for hundreds of millions of years, so three millennia would be nothing to them. Diancie's stats match what you'd expect from a Mega Evolution of Carbink(100 boost HP even stays the same), AZ's Floette is much stronger than a natural Floette and it was in the center of the weapon being resurrected. It's clearly made AZ superhuman as well since he's stopped aging past his seventies and can support a nine foot tall body. This is the reason why Diancie is a Mythical Pokemon-only a limited amount of Diancie could be created as the Ultimate Weapon was only fired 3000 years ago, and partially/possibly in the main story of X and Y. Also, Carbink can be found not too far from where the Ultimate Weapon exists. Any mutation of nearby Pokemon can't be found as either they weren't present 3000 years or because they can't live that long
 

RedJirachi

Veteran member
Many legendary/mythical Pokemon can technically breed, but cannot do so due to requiring special circumstances rather than a simple daycare and Ditto. The Cosmog line suggests that just because something's in Undiscovered doesn't mean it can't reproduce at all
  • Legendary birds, Celebi, Eon duo, Heatran, Regigigas, Shaymin: Requires special environments related to their elemental powers or where they come from/represent
  • Mew duo: Could have become infertile at this point, it would explain why they are so rare they are thought to be a mirage. Mewtwo was made through specific, brutal genetic engineering that the daycare center would neither be able to or willing to invest in
  • Beast, Golem, Lake, Creation Trios: Created by another being, probably can't reproduce on their own
  • Lugia: Might need to reproduce deep underwater
  • Ho-oh: Probably reproduces like a mythological phoenix
  • Weather trio, Deoxys, Arceus, Reshiram, Zekrom: Aren't born in any normal sense of the word, as such wouldn't be able to make more of themselves
  • Jirachi, Kyurem: May come from space, wouldn't be able to breed outside of its home
  • Cresselia, Darkrai, Victini, Musketeer Quartet, Meloetta, Volcanion, Marshadow, Zeraora: Honestly I don't know
  • Forces of Nature, Xerneas and Yveltal, Zygarde, Tapus: Considered deities, comes into existence in some divine way the Daycare and Ditto couldn't possible replicate
  • Genesect, Type: Null, Silvally, Magearna: Artificial beings, were not designed with the ability to reproduce/are so altered it's physically impossible
  • Diancie: Freak mutation rendered it infertile
  • Hoopa: Portals suggest it could go to or come from another universe to procreate
 

Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
Even though the Unown aren't considered legendary Pokémon, I believe they are responsible for the creation of primordial Pokémon (includes Arceus, Cresselia, the Original Dragon of Unova and the Light Trio) and an obscure group of item - like Pokémon (includes Wobbuffet, Sigilyph and, possibly, the Guardian Deities of Alola). I might explain this in a separate post if anyone is interested.

We see that Unown are involved in the creation of Palkia and Dialga in the Heart Gold/Soul Silver event, so the theory is plausible. But how would they have created Arceus? Arceus is supposedly the thing that came first in the Pokémon Universe. It wouldn't make much sense to say that a different Pokémon created it. Also, Heart Gold and Soul Silver made it seem like Arceus was commanding the Unown in the creation process, as it was Arceus that was needed in the first place for the event. A better version of the theory would be that Arceus came first, and created the Unown, who in turn were used as tools by Arceus to create the other Legendary Pokémon you mentioned.
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
We see that Unown are involved in the creation of Palkia and Dialga in the Heart Gold/Soul Silver event, so the theory is plausible. But how would they have created Arceus? Arceus is supposedly the thing that came first in the Pokémon Universe. It wouldn't make much sense to say that a different Pokémon created it. Also, Heart Gold and Soul Silver made it seem like Arceus was commanding the Unown in the creation process, as it was Arceus that was needed in the first place for the event. A better version of the theory would be that Arceus came first, and created the Unown, who in turn were used as tools by Arceus to create the other Legendary Pokémon you mentioned.
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The Unown are Arceus's 1000 arms, an extension of his will to create the universe.
 

Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
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The Unown are Arceus's 1000 arms, an extension of his will to create the universe.

It's certainly possible, but has not been confirmed, or even implied, that Unown is what Arceus' Pokédex entry is referring to.
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
It's certainly possible, but has not been confirmed, or even implied, that Unown is what Arceus' Pokédex entry is referring to.
I'd say it's implied a lot by default in the games and the Adventures manga. What else to do "1000 arms" that symbolize crafting a universe refer to?
 

Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
I'd say it's implied a lot by default in the games and the Adventures manga. What else to do "1000 arms" that symbolize crafting a universe refer to?

It's mythology, who knows? It may not refer to anything literal at all, or it may refer to some sort of facet of Arceus that isn't normally seen.

It's certainly a good guess/fan theory to say that Unown are the "arms" of Arceus, thanks to the event in Heart Gold/Soul Silver, but that's all it is. We can't say that it's actually the case with any certainty.
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
It's mythology, who knows? It may not refer to anything literal at all, or it may refer to some sort of facet of Arceus that isn't normally seen.

It's certainly a good guess to say that Unown are the "arms" of Arceus, thanks to the event in Heart Gold/Soul Silver, but we can't say that it's actually the case with any certainty.
I don't know about certainty but there is definitely strong evidence of it that it feels kind of too obvious.

As you may know, one of the benefits of theorizing with others in the Pokemon Adventures fanbase of where a story may go is discussing heavily about the deep lore of Pokemon, including the little subtle details that not even the anime ever considers. For this case, it's the Unown who appear in the Sinjoh Ruins and one detail that Pokemon fans notice in the Pokemon Adventures HGSS chapter is that the Unown appear in a very peculiar way than previously, being commanded by Arceus himself. Not only that but what adds even more intrigue to Arceus is that the Unown appear, key-word appear, to be coming from not outside of the cave but from Arceus's own body. While that's to be debated whether or not Unown IS Arceus but what is for sure is that Arceus commands the Unown, they are an extension of his will. This is accurate and this appears to be the same case for the games. From this we can assume that Arceus's 1000 arms that crafted the Universe are none other than the endless number of Unown that helped crafted Palkia, Giratina and Dialga during the creation process in the Sinjoh Ruins. When the creation process is over, there's no more Unown literally. We don't ever see them again after Arceus finished creating them and this is how it goes in the games actually.
 

RedJirachi

Veteran member
The Unown are hinted at to be some sort of sentient manifestation of order, physics or the universe itself. They show up in other dimensions of cosmic importance, and can warp reality. Even if they aren't Arceus' 1000 arms(given the HGSS Arceus event, they are definitely significant to Arceus somehow), they are probably some sort of agent for programming reality. The Ultra Beasts not breeding is because they come from another universe, the conditions in our universe aren't viable to reproduce.

I've come to the belief that Diancie are the byproduct of the Ultimate Weapon being fired 3000 years ago. You can find Carbink close to Geosenge Town. It's possible Carbink were harvested for the crystal-like ultimate weapon, and of the nearby Pokemon Carbink's the only one we're sure would survive well over 3000 years. We've seen the energy empower others. Mega Stones were created by the blast. AZ's Floette is just under the strength of its evolution along with immortality. AZ himself was right near the blast and he is not only immortal, but has grown to a freakish 9 feet tall yet has no problem supporting his enormous body suggesting he must have gained superhuman strength. The Mega Stone is key, as Diancie has the 100 stat boost that is expected compared to Carbink, and much like Mega Evolution the one unchangable stat is HP. Of course there is Mega Diancie, but the reason Pokemon can't Mega Evolve twice is because they can only hold one item/Mega Stone which wouldn't be the case if you're a living Mega Evolution of sorts. And AZ's Floette cannot breed, suggesting the radiation sterilized it, so Diancie may be in the undiscovered egg group because of that. This would also explain why AZ never sired any offspring afterwards, and depending on how young he was while king he may have never had the opportunity to marry and produce an heir. That, or it was made so AZ didn't get the extra depression of outliving any children

Cosplay Pikachu can't breed because it's a gift from a star Coordinator, who either fixed her Pikachu like real life pets or the Daycare isn't permitted to breed her. The latter explains Ash-Greninja as Ash wouldn't want his Pokemon to get involved in breeding. Or maybe if there's any meaning, it's a joke on how Ash is oblivious to romance
 

Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
I don't know about certainty but there is definitely strong evidence of it that it feels kind of too obvious.

As you may know, one of the benefits of theorizing with others in the Pokemon Adventures fanbase of where a story may go is discussing heavily about the deep lore of Pokemon, including the little subtle details that not even the anime ever considers. For this case, it's the Unown who appear in the Sinjoh Ruins and one detail that Pokemon fans notice in the Pokemon Adventures HGSS chapter is that the Unown appear in a very peculiar way than previously, being commanded by Arceus himself. Not only that but what adds even more intrigue to Arceus is that the Unown appear, key-word appear, to be coming from not outside of the cave but from Arceus's own body. While that's to be debated whether or not Unown IS Arceus but what is for sure is that Arceus commands the Unown, they are an extension of his will. This is accurate and this appears to be the same case for the games. From this we can assume that Arceus's 1000 arms that crafted the Universe are none other than the endless number of Unown that helped crafted Palkia, Giratina and Dialga during the creation process in the Sinjoh Ruins. When the creation process is over, there's no more Unown literally. We don't ever see them again after Arceus finished creating them and this is how it goes in the games actually.

Your added context from the manga really doesn't add any more evidence. Once again, yes, it's an interesting theory that could very well be true. But all we can say for sure is that Unown has some sort of relation to Arceus. Anything more than that is pure speculation, no matter how plausible it seems. Of course, there's nothing wrong with bringing up theories like that, the only reason I said what I did is because you spoke in certainties, as if it were fact, which it is not.
 
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