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Pokemon Cruelty

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Elementer

Sword&Element Master
@danger
But legend indicates many Pokemon played a central role in creating the world, universe, etc. Much before mankind existed. Plus, Legendaries such as Groudon, Regigigas, Kyogre and such were directly stated to help create the world.

And many records of ordinary Pokemon have been proved to live amongside humans since ancient time; Arcanine and such.
 
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dangermags

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@danger
But legend indicates many Pokemon played a central role in creating the world, universe, etc. Much before mankind existed. Plus, Legendaries such as Groudon, Regigigas, Kyogre and such were directly stated to help create the world.

In local lore and legend. According to Hoenn folklore, Groudon and Kyogre created the sea and land. According to the ancient peoples of Sinnoh, the world was created by Arceus. These peoples were exposed to powerful Pokemon since early in their history, and it only made sense for these near-omnipotent beings to be responsible for the natural phenomena that occurred around them. After all, if Kyogre can bring a flood-worth of rain and if Dialga can seemingly recreate the reality around it, can these beings not be the very deities that created the very Earth we live on?

They are powerful creatures indeed, enough to have developed cults and religions around them. That they are the makers of the universe, however, is little more than ancient superstitions.
 

poizonsting

Pokemon master
You people are looking too much into it. We are getting worked up by thinking what would happen to a bunch of pixels when there are are real issues to deal with, such as poverty, hunger, etc. But if Pokemon were real, animals wouldn't exist, and thus I suppose animal cruelty would be replaced by Pokemon cruelty.



Friendly competition, yadda yadda, Pokemon don't get seriously hurt, so on and so forth, more akin to boxing matches than dog fights, et cetera et cetera.

Boxing is "cruel" friendly competition, you know.
 

The DoritoNinja

The Last Dying Ninja
I can honestly say that I already treat legendary Pkmn crappy
I have no need for them
But non legendaries I will love
 

dangermags

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But if Pokemon were real, animals wouldn't exist, and thus I suppose animal cruelty would be replaced by Pokemon cruelty.

There have been instances of real-life animals coexisting among both humans and Pokemon. Countless examples can be seen in the animes and mangas, and a few samples exist in the games as well. Pokemon do not simply replace the ecological niches of existing animals, but compete and live and die alongside them.

Actually, the relationships between actual terrestrial animals and Pokemon on an ecological scale would be a fascinating little mental exercise. Even if they are just pixels and electrical impulses, it's never a bad thing to keep the imagination fresh.
 

streetlightdsb

Uni hiatus
Yes, if Pokemon were real I'm sure someone would chuck a Purrloin into a rubbish bin, or punt a Growlithe off a 30 foot bridge.

These things have actually happened in real life with their respective counterparts. People can be evil- I'm sure it wouldn't take long for someone to be cruel to a Pokemon.
 

LuciRuki

Born This Way
Absolutely, especially when you think about pokemon's natures and abilities, the fact that there are a plethora of evil organizations out in the pokemon world and the fact that 10 year old kids are taking care of animals. Of course there will be animal cruelty.

-LuciRuki-
 

CSolarstorm

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KingRaichu

Hail to da king baby
Are you joking? Of course! Think about it, people abuse animals for common sport, now imagine if those animals had magical powers, and having the stronger essentially gives you the equivalent of a tank that could walk and follow commands. With that in mind, surely they'd be seen as tools by a number of people, and when things are used as tools or weapons, they are often mistreated if said things also happen to be alive, because the two states tend not to intersect well.

Besides, no matter how much the anime and the games explain it away with ""friendship" and "love" and "honesty," at the end of the day, we are having cockfights with magical creatures...which is both illegal AND a form of animal cruelty in our world already...
 

KingRaichu

Hail to da king baby
*chuckle* no, the uniforms would look awful on me...besides, didn't Team Plasma just use their "Pokemon lover's" shtick just as a cover?
 

Legendary Dreams

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No, Team Plasma really did think they were trying to help the pokemon. Ghetis was the only one who knew.

Actually no. Some Team Plasma members expressed thoughts similar to Ghetsis. That doesn't indicate whether they knew Ghetsis' true plans, but not all Team Plasma members joined for the "PETA-Cause."

And let's face it, a few decades ago, we've thought of technology as aiding us (like those retro thoughts of the 2000s have robots in households as commonplace). Now? We'll be lucky if we aren't thinking of hackers and weapons of mass destruction.

Pokemon are technically the same. Forget legendaries, pseudo-legendaries already have power levels that can rival armies.
 

Profesco

gone gently
Pokemon is an involuntary sport for the Pokemon. They probably follow along and maybe even like it, but they don't have a choice. Frustration, for example, as a TM, executed properly would indicate your Pokemon doesn't like you, but the game doesn't let them get up and run away.

The anime, manga, etc tries to make sense of it, but the core game says Pokemon don't have a choice but to listen to trainers who have all of their badges. And the function of the Pokeball is a container. Pokemon struggle when you initially try to catch them. They cease to become sovereign beings. The majority of them end up sitting in your PC forever because you wanted to fill your Pokedex.

The qualm I have with this is that it might be taking the "game rules" to an exaggerated degree. Some things in the videogame have to happen the way they do simply because the game needs to be playable. If you're a ten year-old playing your Red version, it would not be fair if your starter decided to not feel like battling in the middle of your badge battle. The Pokemon always fight for you in your games because it's a videogame and that's how it's programmed to function.

Taking the perspective offered by the anime, or possibly manga, Pokemon sometimes choose not to battle, and their trainers go right ahead and accept that. Ash frequently lets his Pokemon make the choice to battle or not. This, from a realistic standpoint, is more likely. And both games and anime have expressed that becoming stronger and winning competitions is a goal respected and shared by all Pokemon and trainers. Pokemon have the power to desert a trainer if they want to (such was the case with the Snivy Ash recently captured in Unova), but Pokemon themselves enjoy the competition and personal growth.

The same goes for Pokeballs. The games would be a complete dud if a Pokemon you've been training for a month just up and disappeared from its Pokeball. But in the anime, trainers frequently have their Pokemon outside traveling alongside them, and Pokemon can even escape their Pokeballs at will. Think of Psyduck and Wobbuffet. And the Pokeball is clearly not a brainwashing/enslaving device, since we've seen dozens of instances of trainers and their Pokemon disagreeing or bickering - and the Pokemon frequently win, thanks to Flamethrower or Water Gun or Thunderbolt. :p



Black/White hijacked the argument against Pokemon battling by introducing strawman Team Plasma. Their qualm against battling is something we can sympathize with. But when we see someone we sympathize with, incidentally act pigheaded about it, kick a Munna, find out their leader is a complete monster, and their king is deluded, we stop sympathizing with them and by association quit believing their original premise, no matter how much truth it contained, because it is now connected with those instances of horror.

But it is, just a game.

Aha, that was wonderful. I love it when Debate regulars visit GPD. :D *applause*

Boxing is "cruel" friendly competition, you know.

Okay. Then high school wrestling. Or martial arts tournaments. Or arm wrestling, even. Take your pic. Physical sports are not all cruel. ^_^
 

Blackjack the Titan

It’s been a while
So for those who are former Team Plasma members, did you get Zekrom/Reshiram coming out of their Stones on video, or did the two dragons burn or fry you vidcam?

Anyway, was N a Pokemon abuser or just another Trainer who happened to be the son of an abuser?
 
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