Pokemon Moves that deserve more/less PP

[espeon_155]

I was thinking there are moves that are so hard to keep because of PP. Well for one I noticed they could have given trick room at least 10/10 PP. because that makes it so much easier to use...

Then there are moves that seem to have too much PP, things like growl and leer I think have too much PP, it's kind of hard to use them all up from the start. SOme of my favorite moves, do have fair amount of PP, like psychic, and shadow ball, but some even with PP ups still suck...

so I want to hear from some people about other moves...

 

[HyenaHaze]

Fire Blast. It's innacurate, yet thunder gets more PP than it. It irratates me.

 

[espeon_155]

Yes, that is so true about that move. Also things like blizzard and fire blast could use a little tuning up... make them at least like dragon rush...

 

[HyenaHaze]

Seriously. Also, I think Fire-type moves should have more PP in general...

 

[skylight]

ice beam for me, i would have wanted it to be like thunderbolt with 15PP

 

[PsychicPsycho]

I've always thought it was stupid that Blizzard only had 5 PP, but had only 70% accuracy. Either increase the accuracy or the PP; among moves with the same damage, there's Fire Blast and Hydro Pump with 5 PP & 85% acc., Thunder with 10PP and 70% acc., and Solarbeam with 10PP & 100% acc. but takes 2 turns. I don't get why Blizzard's left out in the cold (haha).

Also, there's Psychic, with 90 damage & 10PP. Moves comparable to this are Surf, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, & Fly (all with 95 damage, 15PP). There's also Earthquake with 100 damage & 10PP. So come on, more PP or more damage, please (same goes for Sludge Bomb & Ice Beam).

I suppose for ones having too much, there's Extrasensory; It does 80 damage and has 30PP. It seems appropriate for legends that can learn it, like the dog trio, but with commoners, it seems a bit much.

 

[Yonowaru in Chaos]

Giga Drain, to make it worthwhile. 15 PP.

I've always thought it was stupid that Blizzard only had 5 PP, but had only 70% accuracy. Either increase the accuracy or the PP; among moves with the same damage, there's Fire Blast and Hydro Pump with 5 PP & 85% acc., Thunder with 10PP and 70% acc., and Solarbeam with 10PP & 100% acc. but takes 2 turns. I don't get why Blizzard's left out in the cold (haha).

Also, there's Psychic, with 90 damage & 10PP. Moves comparable to this are Surf, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, & Fly (all with 95 damage, 15PP). There's also Earthquake with 100 damage & 10PP. So come on, more PP or more damage, please (same goes for Sludge Bomb & Ice Beam).

I suppose for ones having too much, there's Extrasensory; It does 80 damage and has 30PP. It seems appropriate for legends that can learn it, like the dog trio, but with commoners, it seems a bit much.

Well besides accuracy and power, you've got to consider the type coverage and side effects it harbours, and also (to a lesser extent) what pokemon are able to learn the move. Ice-type moves have very great type coverage, so naturally, Ice-moves have lower PP than other moves with comparable base power.

 

[Rainy_Day]

Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Flamethrower should all have equal PP.

Fire Blast and Hydro Pump need to either have more PP or perfect accuracy--as they are, they are completely outclassed by Flamethrower/Surf in most cases.

Aqua Jet and Aqua Tail deserve more PP. Aqua Jet has 10 less than every "quick attack" of any type. Aqua Tail has both less accuracy and less PP than Waterfall but only 10 more base power, making it worthless.

 

[CrYsTaL-Suicune]

It makes me wonder why Icy Wind only had about 15 PP (the same as Flamethrower and Thunderbolt) when it's not as powerful as those two. I guess it needs more PP or it's power should be increased.

One more thing that's got me thinking. The Powder Attacks. Sleep Powder, Poison Powder, Stun Spore. They've got too much PP, in my opinion. You can only afflict it once (except Sleep Powder) on one pokemon in your opponent anyway. And even if the opponent evades it, it's not likely that you'll need 35 Stun Spores for that. I think those moves need a little PP cutting.

 

[Yonowaru in Chaos]

Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Flamethrower should all have equal PP.

Fire Blast and Hydro Pump need to either have more PP or perfect accuracy--as they are, they are completely outclassed by Flamethrower/Surf in most cases.

It makes me wonder why Icy Wind only had about 15 PP (the same as Flamethrower and Thunderbolt) when it's not as powerful as those two. I guess it needs more PP or it's power should be increased.

Type coverage. Simple as that. Ice takes down many type combinations that powerful pokemon possess. Torterra, Salamence, Garchomp, Hippowdon, Tangrowth, and many more of that type. Flamethrower, Surf and Thunderbolt in contrast, don't take down as many pokemon (based on super effectiveness) than they do.

 

[CrYsTaL-Suicune]

Also there is Muddy Water. It's usually overshadowed by Surf which has more accuracy and more power. Yet it has less PP than Surf. An increase in PP or accuracy would do it good.

 

[Yonowaru in Chaos]

^^Well it, itself has an accuracy modifier that screams HAX.

The devolopers also have to account for the fact that Muddy Water works differently to Surf in double battles.

 

[CrYsTaL-Suicune]

What?

How are they different in double battles? As far as I know, they're the same. Only that Muddy Water has a chance of lowering the opponent's accuracy.

 

[Yonowaru in Chaos]

Surf hits all three pokemon on the field.

Muddy Water only hits the two opponents.

 

[CrYsTaL-Suicune]

Ah. In D/P. I thought you meant R/S/E.

But adding PP to Muddy Water would make a few differences.

 

[Chansey hunter]

Splash has too much PP (o.o). At least a struggling magikarp can do SOME damage.

 

[CrYsTaL-Suicune]

Splash has too much PP (o.o). At least a struggling magikarp can do SOME damage.

Point well taken. At 40 PP, it's more than Tackle's. Cutting it to 20 or 15 would be an improvement. But that would make it Struggle faster. And faint itself faster too.

 

[surfer treecko]

Harden needs less PP. It's not going to be used millions of times, so why does it need so much PP?

 

[Chansey hunter]

Point well taken. At 40 PP, it's more than Tackle's. Cutting it to 20 or 15 would be an improvement. But that would make it Struggle faster. And faint itself faster too.

It would probably get killed trying to get the PP down anyways

 

[CrYsTaL-Suicune]

Ingrain too. You only need to use it once. And when you use it, you can't switch out your Pokemon anyway.