Pokemon-overanalyzed

[Auraninja]

I honestly don't believe that this internet talk about the Pokemon games is really accurate, but don't mad at me; it's just an opinion. But the fact of the matter is that the Pokemon games were thoroughly evaluated, but I don't agree with the way that they were. There is all this talk about Boltbeamers, Subs, Tanks and all that. Don't get me wrong, they are good strategies, but I believe there is more to it than that. What do you think?

(I might get a poll up and running soon.)

 

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

Right and wrong, IMO. Competitive Battling is a branch in Pokémon people can choose to take, but it's not the only way. There's so much more to do than just construct an ideal movespread. There's Coordinating(though I'm probably one of few who really does ¬_¬), Berry Growing, Pokédex, hunting for Shining Pokémon.....Competitive Battling may be a fun and exciting aspect in Pokémon, but it's far from the only one. IMO, people should do what they want to do with Pokémon. Whatever they find interesting. Pokémon was meant to be a diverse game, and it is, which is good for people who just don't find Competitive Battling(and/or any other aspect) fun.

For the record, I don't want you to leave these Forums. Not only because you're one of my best friends, but because you're one of the smartest people here. Seriously. You leave, I'll go emo

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion​

 

[Auraninja]

Right and wrong, IMO. Competitive Battling is a branch in Pokémon people can choose to take, but it's not the only way. There's so much more to do than just construct an ideal movespread. There's Coordinating(though I'm probably one of few who really does ¬_¬), Berry Growing, Pokédex, hunting for Shining Pokémon.....Competitive Battling may be a fun and exciting aspect in Pokémon, but it's far from the only one. IMO, people should do what they want to do with Pokémon. Whatever they find interesting. Pokémon was meant to be a diverse game, and it is, which is good for people who just don't find Competitive Battling(and/or any other aspect) fun.

For the record, I don't want you to leave these Forums. Not only because you're one of my best friends, but because you're one of the smartest people here. Seriously. You leave, I'll go emo

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion​

Yeah, that's true. I think that the way people want to battle with the strategy that I have posted is not a bad one, but it isn't the only one.

I'm probably not going to leave. I was thinking about it, but I'm starting to change my mind.

Edit: And I'm not. Sometimes, even I think of crazy things.

 

[PDL]

It's insane just how deep the fandom can get...

not just the games, the anime gets loads of heated disscussion, as does the fanfic and fanart fourms...

it's pretty crazy sometimes...

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

Ont thing that I find that people never talk about is strategies for the Pokemon contests. They can be fairly strategic actually. On these forums I find that people (especially in the RMT threads) seem to have different opinions because some play Netbattle and others play the gameboy games. I play both (like a lot of people) and I prefer battling competitively because it is far more exciting. And I hate bettling people with Pidgeys and stuff when you have a team of fully evolved starters. The only games that are challenging are the 3D games.

There could be more to Pokemon than boltbeamers and tanks and stuff. It is up to Nintendo to do something about all of this...

 

[Orion-Sama]

I honestly don't believe that this internet talk about the Pokemon games is really accurate, but don't mad at me; it's just an opinion. But the fact of the matter is that the Pokemon games were thoroughly evaluated, but I don't agree with the way that they were. There is all this talk about Boltbeamers, Subs, Tanks and all that. Don't get me wrong, they are good strategies, but I believe there is more to it than that. What do you think?

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Everyone has an strategy or a style they feel most comfortable with. Also, a few others just don't like certain moves or strategies. This game should be free for all...

~*CB*~ is right for the most part, but he's one of the few people that's NOT a blatant douchebag even if they're into the competitive realm. Most of those people will take their "Metagame" as fact and bash everything that's not fitting within their vision...

I won't deny there's sheer stupidity when you don't abide by rules of thumb. Still, everyone should play with whatever they feel like, and don't be prosecuted or bashed for it, as do most of the "experts". The worst part is when they come and ruin the fun and opinions of others (When it's valid, of course...) with their elitism...

Oh well. I agree with you. There's more to Pokémon than 00ber br0ken strategies, and everyone should be free to play whatever they want to, when kept into a decent level of skill, of course...

$100000 say that some "expert" will come and refute my points. Either intelligently (1 of 10) or via insults (9 of 10)...

 

[intergalactic platypus]

The "experts" bother me. To them, not using a staple like Skarmory, Blissey, Tyranitar or Salamence is criminal. Theres no such thing as using your favorites, and I've seen them suggest Smogon for ingame teams. The. Metagame. Is. Not. The. RPG. Series. Just to clarify

 

[Evanji Axu]

The "experts" bother me. To them, not using a staple like Skarmory, Blissey, Tyranitar or Salamence is criminal. Theres no such thing as using your favorites, and I've seen them suggest Smogon for ingame teams. The. Metagame. Is. Not. The. RPG. Series. Just to clarify

True, true. I might be winning more battles with my Salamence, but I can definitely say I miss using my Ninetales. I've always had a soft spot for UUs.

The game's not about NB. It's about FUN. I'm currently doing the BF, but when I get all Silver Symbols I'll take a break and go back to coordinating, which I did for some time.

Off Topic: Your Grumpig is named Magic too? Cool!

 

[Horn Drill]

I don't think you could possibly overanalyze the battling aspect of Pokemon. It's meant to be complicated and easy to learn at the same time. Who is anyone to criticize NetBattle and defend something like shipping at the same time? It's just our way of having fun, just like the anime or shipping is for other people. I personally think that shipping is an overanalysis of the anime cartoon, but that just goes without saying. No one can really deny that while battling isn't the only aspect of Pokemon, it is certainly the heart of it.

The "experts" bother me. To them, not using a staple like Skarmory, Blissey, Tyranitar or Salamence is criminal. Theres no such thing as using your favorites, and I've seen them suggest Smogon for ingame teams. The. Metagame. Is. Not. The. RPG. Series. Just to clarify

Yeahhhhh have you ever been to CRMT? >_>; It's your kind of attitude that makes people have such an invalid and false opinion of it.

And why not suggest smogon for ingame? ._.

 

[intergalactic platypus]

I did go to RMT a while ago, but I was scared away by the charmer that was groudon80. As for smogon for ingame, often metagame strategies are useless ingame. Using a Skarmory counter moveset ingame is pointless since you won't be battling Skarmory all the effing time for example

 

[Horn Drill]

I did go to RMT a while ago, but I was scared away by the charmer that was groudon80.

lol He's been gone for about a year. Gimme a break.

As for smogon for ingame, often metagame strategies are useless ingame. Using a Skarmory counter moveset ingame is pointless since you won't be battling Skarmory all the effing time for example

That still doesn't make Flametrower/Fire Blast/Overheat/Blast Burn Charizard any good. We're going to suggest the best moveset for the job, even if it does come from smogon. That's what we're supposed to do. People ask us to rate their teams and offer suggestions, and we do. It's very hurtful when people persecute us for doing our freakin' jobs! ;_; *sniff*

 

[Brown Bomber]

No.

Seriously, the Pokemon game was released as an RPG first, meaning that Pokemon is meant to be a STRATEGY game. All this talk about "love your Pokemon" and such is actually bull; sure, NPCs mention it, but it is primarily a game of skill, and "loving" bits of data is meant to be a side effect. Competitive battlers don't take Pokemon too seriously, they play the game how it was meant to be played.

If you're upset, go to the anime section for a branch-off of the games. This "overanalyzing" is part of the true essence of Pokemon.

 

[PDL]

We're going to suggest the best moveset for the job, even if it does come from smogon. That's what we're supposed to do. People ask us to rate their teams and offer suggestions, and we do. It's very hurtful when people persecute us for doing our freakin' jobs! ;_; *sniff*

there's a difference between "doing your job" (lol, what kind of job is it where you only suggest something everyone else uses) and "being an asshat".

it's good to suggest something that works, but it isn't helpful when one insults the player's ability.

I personally find competitive battling extremely boring, nothing ever changes since people go apeshit when someone decides to try something different.

 

[Horn Drill]

there's a difference between "doing your job" (lol, what kind of job is it where you only suggest something everyone else uses) and "being an asshat".

You ever think that other people use the sets we suggest because they're good? They're standard for a reason. If people ask for our advice, then you can't complain when we give it to them.

it's good to suggest something that works, but it isn't helpful when one insults the player's ability.

No one ever does that unless they act like a n00b. ._. Have you ever been to CRMT?

I personally find competitive battling extremely boring,

Fine. That's your opinion, but you have no right to insult the people who do. Pokemon is about battling first and foremost.

nothing ever changes since people go apeshit when someone decides to try something different.

That's because when most people decide to try something "different", they're usually trying something really crappy, genius.

 

[Auraninja]

Well, that answers my question. People can play the game they want to be, and there would be several strategies to do it with. So, people are entitled to their own opinion. I have mine...

And Politoed is the master of pwnage, with 100 Special Defense and its ability to do Psychic, you can't go wrong.

Yes, but on topic, everybody can see it the way they want to. I'll have a poll running.

And for the record, I meant to call this Pokemon-Overanalyzed?.

 

[Magma Grunt Alex]

Sort of, there okay strategies, but not the best.

 

[ZNtelle]

They're standard strategies, S-H-U-P-P-E-T.

Anyways, I don't know why this matters so much. ~*Commander Blizzard*~ was the first to bring up the point that Competitive Battling is just another branch of Pokemon, one that you don't have to take the road of. It's where you go to prove your battling skills, but the Pokemon games offer more than just Competitive Battling. Pokemon wasn't created as something competitive.

 

[Brown Bomber]

OK, wow, Nine Thou, did you NOT see my post at all?

Why would it NOT be competitive if you gather a team to battle other trainers with in-game? Why would it NOT be competitive if they have a link area in EVERY freaking Pokemon Center?

Competitive strategies have been proven to work, get over it.

 

[PDL]

Why would it NOT be competitive if you gather a team to battle other trainers with in-game? Why would it NOT be competitive if they have a link area in EVERY freaking Pokemon Center?

Competitive strategies have been proven to work, get over it.

Competitive strategies greatly depend on what kind people (human oppenents) you're likely to face.

any sort of strategy that's recommended by the "professionals" is completely useless where I live, since I rarely ever battle, and the only person I ever battle against is my 8 year-old cousin who's terrible at the game. (he thinks any Totodile can beat any Granbull since he saw Ash's Totodile battle one and win in the third movie.)

 

[Horn Drill]

Competitive strategies greatly depend on what kind people (human oppenents) you're likely to face.

That still doesn't make other movesets any good.

any sort of strategy that's recommended by the "professionals" is completely useless where I live, since I rarely ever battle, and the only person I ever battle against is my 8 year-old cousin who's terrible at the game. (he thinks any Totodile can beat any Granbull since he saw Ash's Totodile battle one and win in the third movie.)

Stop the presses! We shouldn't give competitive standard movesets anymore because of this!