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Pokemon Scarlet & Pokemon Violet - General Discussion/Speculation Thread
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Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
Additionally, what's left of Genius Sonority IS still making Pokemon games... but nowhere near the kinds of experiences the fans would want. They're making mobile games like Shuffle and Cafe Mix. They're a shell of their former selves.
Because the misreport is only a piece of the puzzle, the sheer amount of bugs in SV have left many fans feeling that the state of the series is unacceptable. And this isn't the first time fans have suggested this, there's been fans calling for that for years. They've just been getting louder because the situation keeps getting worse and worse.
I don't think Gamefreak is useless. I think the problem is that the Pokemon franchise is now too big for them to handle on their own. They really need to expand or find another company to help them with their workload.
Morty05
Ghost-type trainer
And yet they WON'T.
RileyXY1
Young Battle Trainer
Pretty much. They don't want anyone to come assist them with developing the mainline games. The only reason why ILCA was even brought on to do BDSP was so that they would have something out for the 2021 Holiday season as COVID forced Legends Arceus to be delayed by two months, which is what I believe.
RileyXY1
Young Battle Trainer
I believe that BDSP wouldn't have even existed if the COVID-19 pandemic never happened.
Morty05
Ghost-type trainer
Which is why they are usless as wet bucket.
Morty05
Ghost-type trainer
They need more help in running the game. It feels like bunch of monkeys running the game.
What a usless company.
Autobot N
Well-Known Member
You know what’s kind of a shame? On all my in game teams I like to have one minor legendary or similar Pokémon (like the Ultra Beasts and Paradox Pokémon) on my team, but the only available ones in Violet are Treads (which I’m not a huge fan of), Bundle, and Jugulis (both of which I do like, but they’re not available until like 10 minutes before the end of the game). If I had Scarlet, I would more than fine with using Great Tusk, but the problem is that I prefer every single other exclusive thing about Violet except for Flutter Mane, so it’s not as simple as just picking the other version.
I thought my problems would be solved with the Iron Leaves raids, but you can only catch them at level 75 so that definitely won’t fit on a team
I thought my problems would be solved with the Iron Leaves raids, but you can only catch them at level 75 so that definitely won’t fit on a team
Morty05
Ghost-type trainer
I have one- moronic idiot of a company.
Being run by magikarps and slowpokes.
Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
I don't think that's the reason. I don't think even Game Freak thinks they could've gotten away with releasing BDSP and LA so close together, the moment they decided to have two games close together, they needed to outsource.
I think the reason they decided to make LA was because Game Freak went through a philosophy shift after Nintendo released BotW. Before that point they were all in on making the games super linear to pander to casuals and mobile games, but BotW showed them that open world games are insanely successful on the Switch, so they decided they wanted a piece of that pie. But they couldn't just make BDSP open world because that would just fundamentally change the experience to the point where it wouldn't feel like DP anymore, so instead they made a completely separate game that could take more liberties with Sinnoh.
The philosophy shift is also the reason the quality of the games is declining. They clearly don't have and don't want to obtain the resources needed to make BotW-style open world games want, those types of games are far too large and complex to be done by 100ish people in 3 years. That's not to say at all they were wrong to make that shift, Pokemon needed it because console audiences tend to want experiences closer to BotW than the likes of SM, but the games have clearly become too much for them to handle.
Yeah, and that's clearly not enough anymore. They need more help with the programming and testing.
Ophie
Salingerian Phony
Considering I think it's The Pokémon Company who's the cause of the fast turnaround time leading to rushed games, I don't think there's going to be any real change until The Pokémon Company either adjusts the schedule or they somehow lose creative control of the games.
My guess: to slow down the schedules would derail the rest of the franchise. They likely already have the anime, the Trading Card Game, and other various aspects already planned out for the rest of the generation.
That being said, the move of Game Freak to right next to Nintendo headquarters happened when Generation IX was underway. That would make Generation 10 the first one whose production is done at that location from scratch. If the games are going to get less rushed, it will happen during that generation, not this one.
Of course, that year when there was no main series Pokémon release (and we instead got one of the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games), the Pokémon fans rioted, which gave these companies the message that the fans won't tolerate more than a year gap between new content for the main series.
Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
And they can't simply plan those to last longer? Pokemon has 1000 Pokemon now, there's no shortage of source material for the other arms of the brand. I don't think an extra year or two would derail the franchise at all, TPC is just being cheap and lazy here and I don't have much sympathy for this problem.
EDIT: Also Nintendo's not as concerned with the media and merchandising arms (I'm sure they want them to be successful, but it's not priority #1 for them like it is for TPC). They're a gaming company first and foremost. I don't think they want the games' quality to suffer for the sake of media and merchandise. They're even on record saying they'd prefer to delay their games than rush them out a buggy mess like this. So why are they just waiting until now (if even that) to address the issue?
Did they? I don't remember anyone complaining about no main series game in 2015. And it wasn't the first time that Pokemon took a break year (it was only the first in a while for international fans, the last being 2008). I wasn't unhappy with them taking a year off in 2015. I was unhappy with them moving on to 7th gen in 2016. It felt too soon, they rushed it for the anniversary and the game didn't really do anything to celebrate it, and we lost out on a sorely needed Z/XY2/whatever in the process. After 3rd and 4th gen both lasted 4 years, I expected 6th gen to (5th gen made sense to be cut short because it released during the DS' twilight years, but 6th gen had no such issue), but nope, they had to cut 6th gen to 3 years for questionable reasons.
Anyway, I don't think that was a justified complaint. A break year every now and then won't kill them. They don't really need to as much anymore because we have DLC and new styles of games to pad out the generations, but I don't see an occasional break year being some huge crisis.
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Let's get back on topic and cut out the insults.
I get not liking them, but let's at least make it an actual productive discussion.
bruhidk
LARRY SUPREMACY
I still think SuMo were pretty good despite being seemingly rushed yeah yeah cutscenes but they had good characters and story, Alola was a nice region with chill vibes, some really good worldbuilding if you read the NPC text, neat landmarks like Poni Canyon and the abandoned megamart, and you got awarded for backtracking when you get new ride pokemon, and Poke pelago was a nice feature that makes you not feel bad about PC pokemon
That break year must have done wonders, but the fact that the 3DS was a pure handheld and not a hybrid also helped
I think these games would have a better reputation if the Ultra games didn't exist
That break year must have done wonders, but the fact that the 3DS was a pure handheld and not a hybrid also helped
I think these games would have a better reputation if the Ultra games didn't exist