So I have a genuine question for people, lets say down the road we are like at generation 15 and there is something like 2000+ pokemon, would you guys still have this same expectation that all the pokemon must be in there no matter what??
Yes, I would. The total number of pokemon isn't increasing as fast as people are worried it is. It took us 25 years to get to gen 8 and probably around 900 pokemon. And that's taking the fact that the first 5 generations had 100~150 pokemon in rather than the most recent 70~90 into account. At our current pace it will take us more than 50 years to double the number of pokemon to 2000.
50 years is enough for 8 more generations of consoles and GameFreak can easily have more than twice the budget in that time. Also note, that until now we've had major technological transitions from 2D sprites to 3D models and from handheld to console which required all the pokemon to be redesigned, but there is a limit to how far graphics are gonna get and we are close, so I can easily see them reusing Pokemon assets for multiple decades at one point.
I mean they have the right to be disappointed but not the irrational just absurdity that a lot of the comments I'm seeing everywhere seems to have.
I've seen a lot of people being like we can't catch them all anymore which is just wrong because they fail to take into account that Japan never had that slogan in mind and has never used it. That's just something that would added in the west which tbh, I haven't heard in years now from any official source.
Well, I've never been one to base my criticism around the slogan. I'm greatly annoyed by the cut regardless of what the slogan says and I don't find "But the slogan said
all" to be the strongest argument in this discussion. And I think most people just use it as a meme rather than a genuine argument.
That said, it's not like some 3rd party group stole the original games and released them in the west sticking up an unofficial slogan against GF's wishes on the boxes. GF is equally responsible for the Japanese and English marketing of their games.
And people who accuse those who still want to buy the game of being mindless whales or fanbois who just slurp up everything with the Pokemon name on it are better....how exactly?
Look, I understand where you are coming from and I agree with a lot of the criticism and with a lot of your statements. Look in the thread I've said similar things to some of them myself (their excuses being ridiculous, for example, or that their management seems to be wonky)
But... again, ad much as I agree with you, the Dex issue doesn't affect my affect me or my enjoyment of the game, at all. So denying myself Sword or Shield just because it affects other people in some illusory, and doomed to fail, Grass-Roots movement to stick it to "the (Masuda)man", is ridiculous to me.
If they do something that makes me dislike the games strongly enough (such as turning them into MMOs or implementing a Real Time Battle System) then I will stop buying the games, but not before.
Yeah you're in the rights of saying that if this game is succesful GF might not see any reason to change, but grouping everybody who does buy them as mindless consumer drones is neither okay, nor will it win anybody over to your side.
I've never accused a random person or a generalised subsection of the fanbase as a mindless fanboy.
You can be a serious person with a mind and still either not notice or not care that GF's practices are becoming exceedingly more shady. You may have high standards in other respects and simply not care about the dexit issue. Hell, I've given GF a pass in some instances in the past, for example when I bought both Sun and Ultra Sun at full price, which are essentially 90% the same game because I didn't care - I wanted the new pokemon and I was willing to replay a slightly altered version of the story for $40. I knew that was a moneygrab but it was worth the value of my money at that point in time.
I totally understand that you may still want to buy Sword/Shield. Hell, with all my complaints, I will never deny I was looking forward to the Wild Area and Co-Op raids. When I say I'm not going to buy the games I'm 80% genuinely put off by the issues and 20% resisting checking out the new features. That could be vastly different for everyone.
All I'm saying, is if these games still sell, we might be more likely to never get all the pokemon in one game. GF is more likely to remove anything from future games. Breeding or abilities or held items could be next. So anyone who is actually buying the games that's cool, but do consider the consequences.