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Pokemon that is best with Trick Room and can learn Curse that is not a Ghost type

Discussion in 'Pokémon - Generation VII Discussion' started by Mega Ampharos the Dragon, May 18, 2019.

  1. Mega Ampharos the Dragon

    Mega Ampharos the Dragon Electric type Enthusiast

    I would like to know any pokemon that is a Trick Room Specialist, extremely slow, can learn Curse, and is not a Ghost type.
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  2. Captain Jigglypuff

    Captain Jigglypuff Leader of Jigglypuff Army Staff Member Moderator

    Slowpoke, Slowbro, And Slowking can.
  3. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Nighttime Guardian

    Alolan Exeggutor, Musharna, and Porygon2 (Porygon2 gets Curse as a transfer move from GSC) also get both, and they're slow. If you mean pokémon that are Curse users that are good in a Trick Room but don't necessarily set it up themselves, I'd add Tyranitar, Sudowoodo, Ferrothorn, Golem (either form), Alolan Muk, Snorlax, Quagsire, Regirock, Cradily, Hippowdon, Gigalith, Umbreon, Torterra, Avalugg, and Steelix to that list.
  4. Mega Ampharos the Dragon

    Mega Ampharos the Dragon Electric type Enthusiast

    Thanks, Guys.

    I wanted to make a Trick Room Specialist on my team and I needed help figuring out a pokemon I need, I was thinking Oranguru until I found that he can't learn Curse.
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  5. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    These are your options. Seems like Alolan Exeggutor is your best bet which is... kind of disappointing.

    Honestly, I don't think a standalone Trick Room attacker with Curse is really going to be as valuable as you think. If you want a Trick Room setter/attacker, I'd look into other Pokemon first. Uxie is an extremely reliable setter who can also carry Stealth Rock, while Magearna has the ability to both set its own Trick Room and abuse it, and doesn't need a set-up move thanks to Soul-Heart. If you can't or don't want to use legendaries, Reuniclus, Slowbro, Cofagrigus, and Bronzong are all pretty solid Trick Room setters and abusers.

    Same goes if you want a Curse sweeper, you're better off trying something like Scizor (or Mega Scizor), Swampert, or Tyranitar. Trying to combine the two really isn't going to work, since you can't really afford to waste precious Trick Room turns setting up Curses.
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  6. Mega Ampharos the Dragon

    Mega Ampharos the Dragon Electric type Enthusiast

    A. This is the Battle Tree I'm talking, so I would not be able to use Magearna, but maybe Uxie. B. Once I was in the Battle Tree and someone had a super slow Dusknoir use Trick Room and started one hitting my pokemon since it now has super speed. Since then, I felt that I need to use Trick Room to my advantage.
  7. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    I figured as much, which is why I gave you several Battle Tree-legal alternatives. Reuniclus and Cofagrigus in particular are my recommendations.

    Abusing Trick Room is a perfectly viable strategy, but trying to combine that with Curse really isn't. That's the point I was trying to make. If you really want to abuse Trick Room, there are plenty of other abusers to look at first. Running a dedicated Trick Room team consisting of something along the lines of Reuniclus / Porygon2 / Alolan Marowak could put in work.
  8. Mega Ampharos the Dragon

    Mega Ampharos the Dragon Electric type Enthusiast

    How come combinig it with curse isn't much of a good strategy? It lowers speed and increases attack and defense, right?
  9. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Nighttime Guardian

    The setup takes too long for singles, making it unreliable. In general Trick Room is better used in double battles, with one pokémon setting up Trick Room and another its own setup or Protect, and then attacking with that one. I'll also add this, if a Dusknoir was one-hitting your team you're doing something else wrong, Dusknoir isn't supposed to hit that hard. It's more of a wall.
  10. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Trick Room only lasts for 5 turns, and that includes the turn you use it on, effectively only giving you 4 turns to abuse it with. Curse only boosts your Attack by one stage, meaning you may need to use it multiple times to actually pull of a sweep (especially on something with a mediocre Attack stat like Alolan Exeggutor), which burns your already limited Trick Room turns. The best Trick Room abusers tend to be very powerful Pokemon who can hit extremely hard right off the bat without needing to boost such as Reuniclus, Crawdaunt, and Mega Mawile, or sometimes Pokemon with access to Swords Dance or Nasty Plot or similar moves that they usually only need to use once to sweep, such as Cofagrigus.

    Curse by itself isn't a horrible move either, and some Pokemon can abuse it. Mega Scizor in particular is a great Curse user as it doesn't particularly mind the Speed drops due to its natural bulk and access to Bullet Punch.

    There's also the fact that Alolan Exeggutor in general is a very mediocre-at-best Pokemon, but it's also your best option for a Pokemon that fits all the criteria you're looking at.
  11. Mega Ampharos the Dragon

    Mega Ampharos the Dragon Electric type Enthusiast

    I'm not 100% sure he was one hitting everyone. A. It was a Tag Battle. B. I was using M. Mawile and Lycanroc. C. Lillie was my partner. D. Dusknoir knew Fire Punch.
  12. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Nighttime Guardian

    The tag battles are the hardest in the battle tree, and Lillie isn't the best partner possible (although she's far from bad if you soft-reset her for the good abilities on her pokémon). I'd recommend you'd bring better pokémon than Mawile and Lycanroc if you partner with Lillie. I made it to a 56 win streak with Lillie by using Mega Metagross and Kommo-o as her partners. Metagross can destroy most poison types that threaten Lillie's fairy-types while Kommo-o can eliminate almost any steel type. Mawile is alright and it can Intimidate, but in general it's just too slow. Lillie is more of a supporting partner, if you partner with her your pokémon will need to provide most of the damage output for the team while she can set up screens and provide healing support. I think Lycanroc's damage output is just not really good enough and it's a tad too frail to reliably set up Swords Dance.

    Let me also throw out this. Lillie's pokémon are very fast. They're both Timid and both fully speed invested, especially her Ribombee is one of the fastest pokémon out there in the battle tree. Setting up Trick Room would hinder her pokémon quite a bit. Trick Room can work very well in double battles in the tree, but not with Lillie as a tag partner.
    Last edited: May 18, 2019
  13. Mega Ampharos the Dragon

    Mega Ampharos the Dragon Electric type Enthusiast

    I should also mention I was using the limited time Dusk Lycanroc. Plus, my Mawile has Hyper Cutter Ability. I have reached 20th streak or more with Lillie. I use Mawile and Lycanroc for damaging moves, they both don't even know a status move.

    Mawile: Play Rough (my fav), Rock Slide, Iron Head, and Crunch

    Lycanroc: Tackle, Crunch, Fire Fang, and Stone Edge/Splintered Stormshards
  14. Saberu

    Saberu Well-Known Member

    What you could do is use a very slow Pokémon that doesn't know trick room itself, just in case you run into a trick room user.

    Then you could even set up Curse on the first turn!
  15. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Nighttime Guardian

    You really don't want to do that in the Battle Tree, especially not when partnered up with Lillie. It's somewhat viable in the Battle Spot with Team Preview, but that's not a thing in the Battle Tree. You're better off nuking things before they can even set up Trick Room in the first place, or trying to outlast it until it wears off if they do set it up.
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