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Kutie Pie

"It is my destiny."
The responses against my opinion are too long for me to quote, so I'll do my best to answer.

First off, the large percentage being held at gunpoint. How many of these pornographic images on the Internet are copyrighted to porn industries? Industries who do this for money don't point guns at women and threaten to kill them if they don't strip and pose. They have hired women (and men) to do this. Those who aren't licensed to a porn industry force a woman to pose in as many pictures as they take. I don't look at pornography, but for those that do, I suggest looking at their faces and not the body. You may see a form of hidden emotion there that suggests they weren't doing this willingly.

Going back to the percentage. I was avoiding mentioning this because it is a private family matter and very personal, but my brothers, who are two years younger than me, have looked at pornography. It was quickly stopped, but my parents were furious, terrified, and worried upon this discovery. Needless to say, I was shocked as well. I am very close to these two, and hearing (and seeing the evidence of the website names) that they've viewed pornography hurt me very deeply. This was at a time when I just started puberty, and I had every right to fear for my brothers, for they are the ones who watch me grow up.

We signed them up for counseling immediately, banned them from the computer, and put up Parental Controls on the computer. This was the hardest year, and a very slow one. I watched these two boys go through the hardest trial of their life trying to avoid seeing, even thinking about, pornography. As a sister, I grew cautious around them, and tried to avoid them, but they've always wanted me to go play outside, so I stayed the same, though I could tell they were struggling just looking at me to not imagine me in a disgusting way. I did my best to pretend none of this happened, and things were same-old, same-old.

Unfortunately, the oldest twin was having the most difficult time to control his thoughts and actions. A few times, after we've granted them permission and the trust enough to let them back on the computer, weeks later, we would discover he was trying to look it up again, despite the counseling and aid we've been giving them. My parents didn't want me there to hear their discussion with him, but I couldn't help but listen that night. My parents are very intelligent people and know their facts. I remember hearing my mother, in a harsh, strong voice telling my brother that 97% of women posing for those pictures were held at gunpoint. I unfortunately don't remember the rest of the discussion, since it frightened me and I went to bed as quick as possible, but that statement has always been in my head. I haven't asked her about this statement because I have never told her I heard her talking to my brother. But I have a feeling it's a true, even if it's brief and rarely mentioned, statement.

They still have that problem. A couple of years ago, I caught them spying on me dressing in my room using a hand-held mirror to hold under the door and also when I was out of the shower (this was told to me directly by my brother after my parents had us in their room in a private discussion). Again, I've tried my hardest to forget that it ever happened, but I'll never forget it.

Pornography is dangerous because of how addicting it is. One picture stays in your head, and that's all it takes for you to want more. So every chance you get, every time you're alone, you sneak onto the computer to get at least a couple of minutes of screen-time with these graphic pictures to satisfy you for the day. This gets worse as time goes on, and you can't stop thinking about naked women. Thoughts lead to actions. There will come a time where this thought takes over, and you attack the first woman you see, wanting to experience it for yourself.

Now, the breaking up of families. Divorce is normally because of financial problems, the couple don't get along together, the couple don't love each other anymore, and several others. Pornography is one of those reasons, even if it usually isn't the case. If a person catches his/her spouse looking at porn, they will feel betrayed and wonder if they haven't always been good enough. Hopefully, they enter-act with each other and agree to get the addicted person to go to counseling to fix the problem. If it doesn't work, they will try other times to break the habit. If all else fails, then divorce is the final resort.

The reason we see more of pornography now is because of the World Wide Web. Thirty years ago, porn was sold in stores, in places where everyone can see you purchase it. Even through the mail, where the mailman/woman knows you. It was embarrassing for someone to walk up to the cashier and ask to buy the porn magazine they sold. It was done in front of peers, and not many people went to get it because of that. When computers were introduced and everyone had access to one, that was when pornography became more wide-spread and well known. That is why porn images are the most looked at on the web, because no one buys it personally anymore. They could now view it in their own homes, at their own time.

You know, I'm surprised only one has brought up child pornography. I'm sure we can all agree that child porn is bad and disgusting. But when it comes to adults posing in the nude, that's where we go our separate ways when it comes to what we believe in. I was taught the good and the evil. I followed my parents' beliefs. As I watched and experience these things, I made my final decision as my own belief about the good and the evil. Having this experience in my own home, I can tell honest-to-goodness that pornography is not healthy and the best choice. That is my belief.

I'm not saying everyone who views pornography is evil. Some are good people who have made the wrong choices and it affects their lives bit by bit. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. I respect that, I truly do. I was not bashing anyone, I was stating my opinion, and left it at that. I don't go criticize people who believe differently, and I don't attack them and get in their face about it. I let them keep their belief, and I keep mine as a young adult.

Thank you for being patient with me.
 

Pandeji

USED ULTRASPLASH!!!
This thread is very confusing and will likely always be as such.
First off, we must ask, what is pornography?
There's child pornography, there's photos, there's videos, there's even pokemon hentai out there.
It's all very confusing, and due to the post by Kutie Pie, it's clear that everybody has a different experience with pornography.
I myself have seen porn before, and don't mind it. No, I don't watch it, but I know that there are some people who "enjoy" themselves more when they know they're on camera.
And, because of the IMMENSE amount of pornography on the internet, I'd ask that if somebody quotes something like "97% of porn is made by people threatened at gunpoint," they provide the source or something.
It sounds made up to me.

Secondly, we must ask ourselves what is unhealthy in regards to pornography.
Masturbation is very normal for teenagers of both genders, regardless of if they admit it.
So, is masturbating while watching porn unhealthy? How often must this occur for the habit to be considered bad for the person? It all gets very muddled (again), and brings into play religion, political views, etc, etc.
I personally am for pornography, in that, if people enjoy posting films of themselves having sex, then go ahead. If people wish to watch them, then go ahead and do that too.
But, there could also be repercussions on those who don't have a choice in the matter. Children or other family members who don't wish to look at porn may accidentally stumble across it, or viruses from sketchy websites could infect the computer and cause mayhem (as has happened to me).

So, in all, I feel that people should be free to watch porn if they wish, but they should respect others around them and "cover their tracks" or share their views with anybody who may stumble upon this.
 

Ri-Chan

♚ get s l e a z y
Guys, this isnt a flame war, its a debate.


Yes, Masturbation is proven to make you healthier and possibly a better person in bed. Its sad that its considered public taboo.
 

random guardian

Get your flame on!
porn has weaved its way into society like drugs have, the only diffrence is that some people veiw it as o.k. stuff. Well some people will have opinions others wont but i think porn of any kind draws the lines when young kids get into it (under 13). some times porn can be traumatizing(misspell alert)and warping to littil minds excpecialy if there IN the porn.
 

Pandeji

USED ULTRASPLASH!!!
I didn't remember flaming...
I was simply showing my disagreement with her post.
If that's considered flaming, this debate is meaningless. If we can't refute the points others make, people will continue to just believe that they are absolutely correct.
That, young one, does not a debate make.

Although I agree with the masturbation as taboo being stupid.
I personally find it kind of amusing how having sex is so "great" yet masturbating is so "wrong." Hahahaha.
 

J.T.

ಠ_ಠ
First off, the large percentage being held at gunpoint. How many of these pornographic images on the Internet are copyrighted to porn industries? Industries who do this for money don't point guns at women and threaten to kill them if they don't strip and pose. They have hired women (and men) to do this. Those who aren't licensed to a porn industry force a woman to pose in as many pictures as they take. I don't look at pornography, but for those that do, I suggest looking at their faces and not the body. You may see a form of hidden emotion there that suggests they weren't doing this willingly.

Still need some sources before I can take this seriously.

I have looked at the faces. The ones I see definitely don't look too upset about it. Apparently I'm not looking in the right places?

long story

... Whoa.

No offense, but I gotta say, your family sounds like they overreacted. Freaking out like that doesn't help anything. And therapy? What? They have to learn at some point about sex. I'm not saying porn is the way to learn, but it's not the end of the world either. Come on, they're 15, they're going to experiment with this stuff. (I checked your age on your profile.)

The kid "relapsing" means he's curious. He was probably going through puberty too. That tends to happen. Therapy is a complete overreaction; my parents caught me looking at it once, and it resulted in a heart-to-heart with my dad about it. He never raised his voice, he just discussed it with me and told about how it's made for... certain kinds of people. In my opinion, that's the way to handle it. Not to flip out, scream about how wrong it is, send him to therapy, and overall act like it's the end of the world.

The mirror under your door? Okay, that's bad, I'll admit that. Talk to them, tell them it's wrong, an invasion of your privacy, and stop. But I can assure you - as someone who has looked at porn, it hasn't turned me into a raving womanizer who spies on his sister (although I don't have one), or anyone for that matter. I haven't been traumatized. I turned out, I believe, just as well as I would have had I not viewed it. The results of a few kids seeing porn should not be grounds to deprive the world of it.

Pornography is dangerous because of how addicting it is. One picture stays in your head, and that's all it takes for you to want more.

I'll say it again. Not everyone has this problem. Why should a few people who feel this way be the reason for depriving everyone else of it?

So every chance you get, every time you're alone, you sneak onto the computer to get at least a couple of minutes of screen-time with these graphic pictures to satisfy you for the day.

You seem an expert on this subject. Okay, your brothers are probably a case, but I know plenty of people who aren't like that. Me included.

This gets worse as time goes on, and you can't stop thinking about naked women. Thoughts lead to actions. There will come a time where this thought takes over, and you attack the first woman you see, wanting to experience it for yourself.

What.

So... porn turns you into a rabid rapist? Are you honestly saying that?

Now, the breaking up of families. Divorce is normally because of financial problems, the couple don't get along together, the couple don't love each other anymore, and several others. Pornography is one of those reasons, even if it usually isn't the case. If a person catches his/her spouse looking at porn, they will feel betrayed and wonder if they haven't always been good enough.

Again. A person should know how their spouse feels about pornography before they go looking at it; if their spouse is against it, then that person should be obligated to not view it. If they ignore their spouse, it's their fault that they did so. You're blaming the gun that shot someone, rather than the person who pulled the trigger.

Hopefully, they enter-act with each other and agree to get the addicted person to go to counseling to fix the problem. If it doesn't work, they will try other times to break the habit. If all else fails, then divorce is the final resort.

But that's just it. Pornography shouldn't be that big of a deal. Those who become addicted to porn likely have bigger things to worry about, and it's unfair to punish the people who aren't seriously affected by porn because of those who are.


The reason we see more of pornography now is because of the World Wide Web. Thirty years ago, porn was sold in stores, in places where everyone can see you purchase it. Even through the mail, where the mailman/woman knows you. It was embarrassing for someone to walk up to the cashier and ask to buy the porn magazine they sold.

Because of the social taboo against it.

When computers were introduced and everyone had access to one, that was when pornography became more wide-spread and well known. That is why porn images are the most looked at on the web, because no one buys it personally anymore. They could now view it in their own homes, at their own time.

Most of this is right. In addition, though, it's also because it became more widely circulated. In some places you'd be hard-pressed to find a porn magazine sold, period.

I do not see how this proves pornography is bad, though.

You know, I'm surprised only one has brought up child pornography. I'm sure we can all agree that child porn is bad and disgusting.

Of course it is. But it in no way represents the whole industry. It's a problem that should be dealt with separately.

But when it comes to adults posing in the nude, that's where we go our separate ways when it comes to what we believe in. I was taught the good and the evil. I followed my parents' beliefs. As I watched and experience these things, I made my final decision as my own belief about the good and the evil. Having this experience in my own home, I can tell honest-to-goodness that pornography is not healthy and the best choice. That is my belief.

This is fair enough. However, my belief is pornography is fine when all parties give consent, but those who are unable to determine between what they see in pornos and what happens to most people in normal life should probably avoid it.


I'm not saying everyone who views pornography is evil. Some are good people who have made the wrong choices and it affects their lives bit by bit.

Not really. It's a bit easier for me to imagine something when I'm... you get the idea. Other than that, no, it doesn't really affect me.

Ethan said:
I'm keeping a very close eye on this topic, be careful.

I apologize if I seem to be flaming. It's not my intention, and I tried to be more careful not to sound like it in this post.
 

Cygnus45

surveyor of stars
I don't look at pornography, but for those that do, I suggest looking at their faces and not the body. You may see a form of hidden emotion there that suggests they weren't doing this willingly.

I have looked at the faces. The ones I see definitely don't look too upset about it. Apparently I'm not looking in the right places?

...Lol.

Originally Posted by Kutie Pie
This gets worse as time goes on, and you can't stop thinking about naked women. Thoughts lead to actions. There will come a time where this thought takes over, and you attack the first woman you see, wanting to experience it for yourself.

What the hell?!?

Many people who watch porn are already married. They watch it for stimulation and inspiration.
 

Witchan

Shauntal, FTW!
I don't have any problems against pronography, since people are having their own business to do it, anyway.
 

Pandeji

USED ULTRASPLASH!!!
J.T. Your post was phenominal. I think it's one of the most intellegent organizations of words I've seen in a good long time.
Props to handling the situation and giving your views without flaming or hating, or even criticizing the person who originally posted.
Awesome. Truly awesome.
 

Ampy

Light The Stars
I don't think it's discrimitive unless it's against the woman's will. I personally do not look or watch it, but sometimes I'll search something that has nothing to do with it and it'll pop up. It's sad that it can be found everywhere, and it's even worse when it's child porn... And it's illegal if you're underage but they have no way of stopping it do they? I've come across it once in awhile on accident and it says are you over 19 years of age and there's a yes and no button, but anyone can press yes if they want.
 

Cygnus45

surveyor of stars
It is true that women from 3rd world countries are duped into promises of "working in America" and end up prostitutes/porn-stars. I read it in National Geographic.
 

ChedWick

Well-Known Member
It is true that women from 3rd world countries are duped into promises of "working in America" and end up prostitutes/porn-stars. I read it in National Geographic.

Well sex trafficing is a real world problem so I guess the answer is yes.
 

Hyper Chibi Absol

The Dark Goddess
I'm a girl and am fine with it honestly.
Hentai's more my theme though. >3>

It's a person's choice to look at it. In my oppinion I think it's actually good because it's a way to relieve sexual stress.
So now I say, thank god for hentai. : D
 

Hammerheart

Son of Wōden
Intresting Question, whats worse, A Porn Film, or a really violent gory Film.

The rating will tell you The porn film, but if you think it, what's worse? people having sex, something all humans do, or like murder and gore and violence, something with is not done by everyone cause of how wrong it is?

if you look at what's being done, the violent film seems far worse, but the ratings will tell you otherwise. But why?
 

dracoburn

Lance's protege
adult porn- good
child porn- bad
there goes my 2 cents.
 

Peter Quill

star-lord
Interesting story Kutie Pie, as sadistic as it sounds I enojiyed reading it. Not for the whole "pain and trauma" it caused. Just for the diffrent view point.

Also I sound like a total prick with some of the things I say, I really don't mean it. I am not trying to offend you or your family.

The responses against my opinion are too long for me to quote, so I'll do my best to answer.

First off, the large percentage being held at gunpoint. How many of these pornographic images on the Internet are copyrighted to porn industries? Industries who do this for money don't point guns at women and threaten to kill them if they don't strip and pose. They have hired women (and men) to do this. Those who aren't licensed to a porn industry force a woman to pose in as many pictures as they take. I don't look at pornography, but for those that do, I suggest looking at their faces and not the body. You may see a form of hidden emotion there that suggests they weren't doing this willingly.

I really don't think there is a high population of these photos as you think there are. Prove me wrong though.

Going back to the percentage. I was avoiding mentioning this because it is a private family matter and very personal, but my brothers, who are two years younger than me, have looked at pornography. It was quickly stopped, but my parents were furious, terrified, and worried upon this discovery. Needless to say, I was shocked as well. I am very close to these two, and hearing (and seeing the evidence of the website names) that they've viewed pornography hurt me very deeply. This was at a time when I just started puberty, and I had every right to fear for my brothers, for they are the ones who watch me grow up.

I'm going to try and ask this without making you sound like a prude steryotype. Is your family some sort of hardcore Catholic/Evangelic/Whatever? I think your brothers had all right ro look at pornography. Starting puberty goes around 13-14 years old right? I dunno the statistic for girls. So around 11-12, that's a natural time where horomones start to kick in and your brothers could have urges. So they looked at some porn, sure they may have "defiled" the age limit, but to be perfectly honest most guys do.

Without trying to sound rude; You and your parents overreacted. That's just how I see it, it's almost a natural process to explore a little bit when they get around that age.
We signed them up for counseling immediately, banned them from the computer, and put up Parental Controls on the computer. This was the hardest year, and a very slow one. I watched these two boys go through the hardest trial of their life trying to avoid seeing, even thinking about, pornography. As a sister, I grew cautious around them, and tried to avoid them, but they've always wanted me to go play outside, so I stayed the same, though I could tell they were struggling just looking at me to not imagine me in a disgusting way. I did my best to pretend none of this happened, and things were same-old, same-old.

Counselling still seems really harsh, thsi gives the psychological impact that "they're doing something wrong, when in my opinon they weren't". Proabably scared them at that age that they could be "crazy". The imagining you in a non disgusting way, is this serious? Then maybe you should talk about how imagining about your sister isn't right, I personally find Incest disgusting. Or, maybe your thoughts on the whole thing were a bit mis viewed. Like a cry for help sorta thing? Dunno.

Unfortunately, the oldest twin was having the most difficult time to control his thoughts and actions. A few times, after we've granted them permission and the trust enough to let them back on the computer, weeks later, we would discover he was trying to look it up again, despite the counseling and aid we've been giving them. My parents didn't want me there to hear their discussion with him, but I couldn't help but listen that night. My parents are very intelligent people and know their facts. I remember hearing my mother, in a harsh, strong voice telling my brother that 97% of women posing for those pictures were held at gunpoint. I unfortunately don't remember the rest of the discussion, since it frightened me and I went to bed as quick as possible, but that statement has always been in my head. I haven't asked her about this statement because I have never told her I heard her talking to my brother. But I have a feeling it's a true, even if it's brief and rarely mentioned, statement.

I think your mom was using a hyperbole to make her point. I don't doubt your parents aren't smart. I'm sure they are very smart people. :)

They still have that problem. A couple of years ago, I caught them spying on me dressing in my room using a hand-held mirror to hold under the door and also when I was out of the shower (this was told to me directly by my brother after my parents had us in their room in a private discussion). Again, I've tried my hardest to forget that it ever happened, but I'll never forget it.

This is wrong, peeping is wrong and of low morals. The fact that your brothers did it creeps me out a little, and that must stick with you. Sorry :(

Pornography is dangerous because of how addicting it is. One picture stays in your head, and that's all it takes for you to want more. So every chance you get, every time you're alone, you sneak onto the computer to get at least a couple of minutes of screen-time with these graphic pictures to satisfy you for the day. This gets worse as time goes on, and you can't stop thinking about naked women. Thoughts lead to actions. There will come a time where this thought takes over, and you attack the first woman you see, wanting to experience it for yourself.

In a way I see your point, porn can get addicting to the weak minded. Unfortunately this proabably links into other self esteem issues, yatta, yatta. When you see something you like, you're going to want more. Simple fact, too much of a bad thing? Perhaps, when you consider which person it is.

Going to say that you'll end up raping someone is a bit extreme. Self esteem issues proabably cause that, and not your average Joe.

Now, the breaking up of families. Divorce is normally because of financial problems, the couple don't get along together, the couple don't love each other anymore, and several others. Pornography is one of those reasons, even if it usually isn't the case. If a person catches his/her spouse looking at porn, they will feel betrayed and wonder if they haven't always been good enough. Hopefully, they enter-act with each other and agree to get the addicted person to go to counseling to fix the problem. If it doesn't work, they will try other times to break the habit. If all else fails, then divorce is the final resort.

Counselling is like rewrapping a bad christmas gift. It only adds the cover to the true problem, the gift is still there. If a couple truly wanted to stay together they would discuss their diffrences envolving porn amongst themselves, because most times it would be a misunderstanding because as we all know. Men look at porn diffrently then women.


The reason we see more of pornography now is because of the World Wide Web. Thirty years ago, porn was sold in stores, in places where everyone can see you purchase it. Even through the mail, where the mailman/woman knows you. It was embarrassing for someone to walk up to the cashier and ask to buy the porn magazine they sold. It was done in front of peers, and not many people went to get it because of that. When computers were introduced and everyone had access to one, that was when pornography became more wide-spread and well known. That is why porn images are the most looked at on the web, because no one buys it personally anymore. They could now view it in their own homes, at their own time.

Well said, although there's a few fifteen year olds who hide the playboys under their matress.

You know, I'm surprised only one has brought up child pornography. I'm sure we can all agree that child porn is bad and disgusting. But when it comes to adults posing in the nude, that's where we go our separate ways when it comes to what we believe in. I was taught the good and the evil. I followed my parents' beliefs. As I watched and experience these things, I made my final decision as my own belief about the good and the evil. Having this experience in my own home, I can tell honest-to-goodness that pornography is not healthy and the best choice. That is my belief.

Everybody knows Child Pornography is bad, that's proabably why nobody brought it up. Kinda like a taboo. However, pornography is a thing that most men, and women dulge into. I think that's it perfectly fine, as it not being the best choice? I don't honestly see any alternatives, other then imagining.

I'm not saying everyone who views pornography is evil. Some are good people who have made the wrong choices and it affects their lives bit by bit. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. I respect that, I truly do. I was not bashing anyone, I was stating my opinion, and left it at that. I don't go criticize people who believe differently, and I don't attack them and get in their face about it. I let them keep their belief, and I keep mine as a young adult.

Thank you for being patient with me.

Yeah, no problem. I'm not trying to attack you, or your family either.
 

Dattebayo

Banned
Like abortion, I too have mix feelings with porn. It would consider to be healthy for humans who masturbate on them, but porn would also ruin the image of women and every man will treat them like sex objects.
 

GS Fan

Advanced Trainer
Intresting Question, whats worse, A Porn Film, or a really violent gory Film.

The rating will tell you The porn film, but if you think it, what's worse? people having sex, something all humans do, or like murder and gore and violence, something with is not done by everyone cause of how wrong it is?

if you look at what's being done, the violent film seems far worse, but the ratings will tell you otherwise. But why?
This is my belief of how pornography should be viewed by society.
adult porn- good
child porn- bad
there goes my 2 cents.
Haha, agreed :p
Like abortion, I too have mix feelings with porn. It would consider to be healthy for humans who masturbate on them, but porn would also ruin the image of women and every man will treat them like sex objects.
This can be taken into consideration in some situations, but I don't think it is that big of an issue yet.

Overall, there is too much of a social taboo on pornography, which is completely legal when adults consent to doing it. As far as I know there is no law saying someone can not watch porn if they wish to. Let the issue alone if it isn't hurting anything. However, If you want to start a "protect the children" debate, then go to the parenting thread, lol :D
;491;
 

the jman

Ak47 I choose you!
I used too do it but It is wrong. I have respect for woman now. Porn gives Men and woman a bad name. only *****s and ****s are porn stars.
 
I used too do it but It is wrong. I have respect for woman now. Porn gives Men and woman a bad name. only *****s and ****s are porn stars.
You're a very ignorant and jugdmental person.

People have the right to choose a pornographic career, you have no reason to label them with vulgar terms. You have no idea about their lives.
 
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