Possible New Signature Z-Moves Discussion Thread

[Ver-mont]

I'd love to see more non-Alolan/Kanto Pokemon get unique z-moves this time. Much like Alolan formes for Kanto Pokemon, I'm just sick off this Kanto favoritism going on. Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova deserve love too.

Considering they're releasing Gold and Silver for the 3DS later this year, it's possible they'll give Gen II some love now, to tie in with that. At least I hope they will.

 

[future.newyorker]

I hope the Johto Starters get some love in this game, whether that be by Mega's, Alola Forms, or Z-moves. I just want them to get something.

 

[Zoruagible]

I hope the Johto Starters get some love in this game, whether that be by Mega's, Alola Forms, or Z-moves. I just want them to get something.

They'll need more than just z-moves, they aren't that great compared to other starters.
I'd rather get Megas than a z-move for the Johto starters. Or Alolan forms, something to make them fresh.

 

[dementeddurian]

I think Mimikyu should get a Z-Move that causes the target to faint (since it's true form is so terrifying) but have some limitations.

Limit One: It is a Ghost-Type move, so it can't hit Normal Types.

Limit Two: Does not bypass Protect/Detect.

Limit Three: Must not have perfect Accuracy. Somewhere between 65 to 85, as if the opponent missed it or braved it out.

If that was the case, I think it would be a very risky but powerful Z-move.

 

[PearlDex]

I'd be interested in seeing a Z-Move for Darkrai and Arceus. It's tough to imagine a better move for Darkrai than Dark Void... so that's probably a bad idea but I'd love to see what they come up with, anyway. Arceus would have to be something particularly interesting to compensate for the lack of a plate to hold. So obvious Arceus would be stuck as normal type, but maybe Judgement could become automatically super effective against whatever pokemon it hits, regardless of its type.

 

[Bguy7]

I'd be interested in seeing a Z-Move for Darkrai and Arceus. It's tough to imagine a better move for Darkrai than Dark Void... so that's probably a bad idea but I'd love to see what they come up with, anyway. Arceus would have to be something particularly interesting to compensate for the lack of a plate to hold. So obvious Arceus would be stuck as normal type, but maybe Judgement could become automatically super effective against whatever pokemon it hits, regardless of its type.

There's not really much of a reason for those to happen outside of Gen VII Sinnoh Remakes, which almost certainly won't happen, but I'll weigh in just for the heck of it.

For Darkrai, I think a Dark Void-type attack that also either inflicts damage or Nightmare status would be pretty cool. For Arceus, I honestly just can't see it feasibly happening. Plates and Multitype is Arceus' gimmick, and Z-Crystals, like Mega Stone before them, just run counter to that gimmick, so it really just wouldn't work.

 

[PearlDex]

There's not really much of a reason for those to happen outside of Gen VII Sinnoh Remakes, which almost certainly won't happen, but I'll weigh in just for the heck of it.

For Darkrai, I think a Dark Void-type attack that also either inflicts damage or Nightmare status would be pretty cool. For Arceus, I honestly just can't see it feasibly happening. Plates and Multitype is Arceus' gimmick, and Z-Crystals, like Mega Stone before them, just run counter to that gimmick, so it really just wouldn't work.

I'm not saying either would be likely, just that I'd be curious what direction they would take it. For instance, Arceus would have the ability to flash through all its forms in the build-up animation. And its new vulnerability would be getting frozen as a normal-type but with this devastating super effective move deployable at any time - but only once. Even mega stones can work if GF says so. We already added a however many plates for Arceus. What's a couple more items? XD

 

[Bguy7]

I'm not saying either would be likely, just that I'd be curious what direction they would take it. For instance, Arceus would have the ability to flash through all its forms in the build-up animation. And its new vulnerability would be getting frozen as a normal-type but with this devastating super effective move deployable at any time - but only once. Even mega stones can work if GF says so. We already added a however many plates for Arceus. What's a couple more items? XD

The difference would be new Plates are simply an extension of Arceus' existing theme and gimmick. Mega Stones/Z-Crystals specifically stand in the way of Arceus' gimmick. Of course, Game Freak does have final say, and if they want it to happen, there's no reason it can't. But Game Freak tends to respect the purpose of the Pokémon they create and work with it, not against it.

 

[Gargoss]

I feel like if they do any kind of Z-Move involving Arceus, it would instead be an artificial Z-Crystal (or Z-Memory) for Silvally aka Type:Full that enhances its Multi-Attack move. For a supposed 'Ultra Beast Killer', it would be very handy to have an attack that could be effective no matter what random type combinations it may face!

Note that I am well aware of the reasons behind each of the current UB's typings, but Type:Full was originally designed without prior knowledge of what it would be up against, or if they even shared enough similarities to be fought like one would a Pokemon!
When facing the unknown, try to prepare for anything, right?

 

[Akashin]

The difference would be new Plates are simply an extension of Arceus' existing theme and gimmick. Mega Stones/Z-Crystals specifically stand in the way of Arceus' gimmick. Of course, Game Freak does have final say, and if they want it to happen, there's no reason it can't. But Game Freak tends to respect the purpose of the Pokémon they create and work with it, not against it.

Z-Crystals don't run contrary to Arceus' gimmick; they change its Type the same way the Plates do. They just don't give the 20% buff or change Judgement's type. A unique Z-Crystal would lock Arceus to a single Type (probably Normal, but the sky's the limit I suppose) to be able to make use of it, though, so I can't see it happening regardless.

I feel like if they do any kind of Z-Move involving Arceus, it would instead be an artificial Z-Crystal (or Z-Memory) for Silvally aka Type:Full that enhances its Multi-Attack move. For a supposed 'Ultra Beast Killer', it would be very handy to have an attack that could be effective no matter what random type combinations it may face!

Note that I am well aware of the reasons behind each of the current UB's typings, but Type:Full was originally designed without prior knowledge of what it would be up against, or if they even shared enough similarities to be fought like one would a Pokemon!
When facing the unknown, try to prepare for anything, right?

Silvally is in a funny situation where it's pretty high up on my list of Pokemon I could see being given a unique Z-Move, even though it faces the same logistic issues that Arceus does. Maybe a unique Z-Crystal (artificial, as you suggested) that incorporates the technology behind the Memories and allows you to decide which Type it will take on when it's equipped to Silvally (and obviously be compatible with Silvally, as Z-Crystals aren't currently)?

 

[Bguy7]

I feel like if they do any kind of Z-Move involving Arceus, it would instead be an artificial Z-Crystal (or Z-Memory) for Silvally aka Type:Full that enhances its Multi-Attack move. For a supposed 'Ultra Beast Killer', it would be very handy to have an attack that could be effective no matter what random type combinations it may face!

Note that I am well aware of the reasons behind each of the current UB's typings, but Type:Full was originally designed without prior knowledge of what it would be up against, or if they even shared enough similarities to be fought like one would a Pokemon!
When facing the unknown, try to prepare for anything, right?

Type: Full? What?

Z-Crystals don't run contrary to Arceus' gimmick; they change its Type the same way the Plates do. They just don't give the 20% buff or change Judgement's type. A unique Z-Crystal would lock Arceus to a single Type (probably Normal, but the sky's the limit I suppose) to be able to make use of it, though, so I can't see it happening regardless.

I guess they could do that, but it would be kind of weird. The Plates are specifically embued with Arceus' power, while Z-Crystals have nothing to do with it.

 

[Ultra Beast Lover]

Type: Full? What?

Type: Full was what Type: Null was called before the three of them went berserk and got iced

 

[Akashin]

I guess they could do that, but it would be kind of weird. The Plates are specifically embued with Arceus' power, while Z-Crystals have nothing to do with it.

What? I wasn't suggesting that they could do that. They already have. Z-Crystals already change Arceus' Type the same way Plates do.

What that means lore-wise for Z-Crystals with regard to Arceus, if anything, is anybody's guess.

 

[Bguy7]

Type: Full was what Type: Null was called before the three of them went berserk and got iced

Yeah, but why were you referring to it as such? It just seemed random to me.

What? I wasn't suggesting that they could do that. They already have. Z-Crystals already change Arceus' Type the same way Plates do.

What that means lore-wise for Z-Crystals with regard to Arceus, if anything, is anybody's guess.

You know what, now that you mention it, that sounds familiar. Obviously I had forgotten that was a thing. A very odd thing thing, but a thing nonetheless.

Anyways, even with that being the case, an Arceus-specific Z-Crystal would still mess with Arceus' gimmick, as it wouldn't change its type, so my initial point stands.

 

[PearlDex]

Yeah, but why were you referring to it as such? It just seemed random to me.



You know what, now that you mention it, that sounds familiar. Obviously I had forgotten that was a thing. A very odd thing thing, but a thing nonetheless.

Anyways, even with that being the case, an Arceus-specific Z-Crystal would still mess with Arceus' gimmick, as it wouldn't change its type, so my initial point stands.

This generation broke a lot of conventions. Last gen *sort of* broke the 3-pokemon evolution chains. This one legitimately broke the "legendary pokemon don't evolve" one. So there's room enough for science AND magic in the Pokemon world.

Most of the Z-Moves I'd like to see played with expand on 4th gen concepts. It's not so much a nostalgia thing, I don't think... I don't think... but I do think the unique moves and pokemon from gen 4 are worth revisiting. Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, & Shadow Force, for instance. An exclusive Z-crystal for Deoxys that has a different effect based on form would be cool. It's tough for me to get excited about z-crystals for standard pokemon just because I feel like they're so rarely called for. Although, I do plan on using the Kommo-o one, it's mostly because I raised a competitive Kommo-o and can't for the life of me figure out what it should hold. Golurk already has a choice item. Although I'd like Mimikyu to have one and it likely will. I wouldn't be disappointed to see Aegislash with one, either, but it's unlikely.

 

[Bguy7]

This generation broke a lot of conventions. Last gen *sort of* broke the 3-pokemon evolution chains. This one legitimately broke the "legendary pokemon don't evolve" one. So there's room enough for science AND magic in the Pokemon world.

Most of the Z-Moves I'd like to see played with expand on 4th gen concepts. It's not so much a nostalgia thing, I don't think... I don't think... but I do think the unique moves and pokemon from gen 4 are worth revisiting. Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, & Shadow Force, for instance. An exclusive Z-crystal for Deoxys that has a different effect based on form would be cool. It's tough for me to get excited about z-crystals for standard pokemon just because I feel like they're so rarely called for. Although, I do plan on using the Kommo-o one, it's mostly because I raised a competitive Kommo-o and can't for the life of me figure out what it should hold. Golurk already has a choice item. Although I'd like Mimikyu to have one and it likely will. I wouldn't be disappointed to see Aegislash with one, either, but it's unlikely.

Conventions is one thing, but design is another. Some things are just designed in specific ways to specific things, and there's just not much of a reason to go against it.

 

[knightwolf09]

Alrighty guys so I've been coming up with ideas for z-moves a came up with a pretty big list. Here's what I got.

(Lurantis) Sunray Divider [Base: Solar Blade]: Slashes the opponent with a blade made of solar energy and is hot as the sun. Creates sunny weather and increases speed and attack

(Castform) Forecast of Mayhem [Base: Weather Ball]: Attacks opponent with forces of all kinds of weather. Hits as fire, water, and ice type attack and random weather arrives after use

(Octillery) Bunker Busting Ink Bomb [Base: Octozooka]: Attacks with a mortar of ink decimating in a wide radius. Harshly lowers opponent’s accuracy and speed

(Blissy) Sunny Side Up Happiness [Base: Softboiled]: Cracks open and egg made of z-power to revitalize it’s friends. Pokemon on your side become fully healed and have defenses raised

(Porygon-Z) Software Update [Base: Conversion]: Ugrades it’s software using z-power to make itself stronger. Changes type depending on move in first slot and all stats raised by 2

(Zoroark) Dark Umbra Annihilation [Base: Night Daze]: Blasts opponent with gigantic orb of dark energy. Creates fog

(Ash-Greninja) Final Fuuma Shuriken [Base: Water Shuriken]: Creates a gigantic shuriken using the power of the trainers bond and attacks the opponent with it. Transforms Greninja upon use, and always attacks first

(Toucannon) Cannon Fire Beak [Base: Beak Blast]: Drills into the opponents with it’s beaks burning with raging flames. Does fire and flying damage, opponents will get burnt

(Crabominable) Titanic Tundra Claw [Base: Ice Hammer]: Slams with giant claws colder than a blizzard. Freezes opponent and increases defenses by 2

(Toxapex) Venomous Thorn Dome [Base: Baneful Bunker]: Creates an impenetrable barrier using poison and it’s thorns. Sharply raises defenses and badly poisons when made contact

(Golisopod) Beat Down Domination [Base: First Impression]: Immediately assaults opponent with a barrage of attacks to show dominance. Always goes first, and raises attack

(Silvally) Adaption Assault [Base: Multi-Attack]: Attacks with the full force of its hidden power. Ability become Protean

(Alolan Marowak) Necromancy Fire Ritual [Base: Shadow Bone]: Performs a dance to ask for spirit’s aide in battle. Curses opponent, and lowers all stats

(Typhlosion) Volcanic Berserker [Base:Eruption]: Unleashes the fury of an unstoppable Volcano. Heals itself and raises special attack and speed

(Feraligatr) Torrential Death Roll [Base: Aqua Tail]: Attack enemy with a crushing force of a tsunami using it’s tail. Traps opponents in a whirlpool

(Meganium) Rejuvenation Pheromones [Base: Aromatherapy]: Emits a sweet smelling scent that revitalizes itself and allies to battle even harder. Heals all pokemon on your side, and increases stats by one.

 

[RileyXY1]

Lycanroc just got its own Z-Move. It is called Radial Edge Storm and it works off of Stone Edge. It is Rock-type and can destroy terrains. Any of Lycanroc's three forms can use it.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

I want to see Z Moves specifically for Hawlucha and Sky Press (sort of like Malicious Moonsault but with a more graceful aerial take off), Shell Trap, Night Daze, Meteor Mash where a huge Meteor is summoned and then the user punches right through it and the remains go flying through the air and hits all Pokémon on the opponent's side, Sacred Sword, and Tsereena and Trop Kick.

 

[pokegal92]

Aquatic Illusion for Milotic. Ups it's power by 2x and clears any status effects