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Pride discourse.

Sham

npc
The context of the discussion is kink, though, and comparable expressions of sexuality and nuditity. To cite such an extreme and out of bounds example is a pretty egregious nitpick. But porn is more an expression of sex than sexuality. They aren't the same things. For example, Ursula in the little mermaid is a character that exudes sexuality, if you don't believe me, rewatch the movie or look through some youtube clips. Sexuality certainly can involve pornagraphic things, but it has much more to do with expression and identity than the mere performance of sex acts.

And your last quip, as I mentioned to Vernikova, is a bad faith reading of what I said. I brought up examples from my own childhood because 1) the aforementioned examples are easily recognizable and relatable and 2) they were a stepping stone to the broader argument that expressions of adult sexuality is already pervasive in society and there is no corresponding youth crisis. Any reader could substitute their own examples, as other people like Zora have, with the example of Calvin Klein models.

And you still need to cite your sources.
I'm not citing anything. Like I said Google it. You can claim all you want that the burden falls upon me to cite something. Also citations are only used when you're directly quoting or referencing a work of literature or media which I didn't. I'll cite my examples when cite yours defending your claim that adult sexuality never negatively impacts children. It's not an egregious nitpick; it's called say what you mean and mean what you say. Context and key and since you provided none I have every right to make whatever assumption I want concerning the topic at hand. You didn’t expand on your theory using your own examples. The way it came off as was “well here is my experience and some Germany news so that’s proves it !” Why not connect it to some actual facts and articles?
 

Sham

npc
Continuously disobeying the Rules of a specific sub-forum
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Yeah anyways your argument is weird but good luck on your campaign trying to get young children exposed to adults having sex and or doing sexual stuff I suppose.
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
While I agree pornography could be harmful to kids, I'm not convinced that the harm caused wouldn't be connected to the pornographic material in question and how its depicted. How many of us grew up seeing love making scenes in movies? Does watching Leonardo DiCaprio make love in the Titanic harm 10 year olds watching? I don't know, are there studies to that effect? My common sense says probably not. Is a child harmed watching some woman get pile driven, while being repeatedly called a slut against a cop car? ****ing probably, wouldn't really need a study to prove that to me.
I don't know why you brought up Titanic, unless you're saying that Titanic is pornography.
 

bobjr

You ask too many questions
Staff member
Moderator
If you’re going to make wild claims and only tell people to Google it, that’s the incorrect way to go about things. If it’s supposedly that easy to find it should also be easy to posr
 

The Admiral

solid state survivor
You wanna know what's really weird? Weird in very large air-quotes?

It's "weird" how a bunch of cishets just kinda assume there's that much public sex going on at Pride. There is not. And when a lot of them are called to describe what they're talking about, they come back with pictures of a dude in a harness -- not even, like, doing anything unusual in said harness, just wearing a harness and standing there, maybe dancing in a fairly normal, non-sexual way. Some dude in leather is not going to harm your kids by itself. Come back when he's actually ****ing on a float and maybe we can have a conversation about whether or not public sex in general is socially acceptable (but again, we can frame that direction away from Pride because sex in public places happens elsewhere between people who heterosexual and/or cisgender -- discussing only public "kink" and/or sexuality at Pride has an ulterior motive or is borne of ignorance). Also, if "kink" at Pride is bad, what about "kink" elsewhere? Did any of you folks have problems with, say... anything to do with Fifty Shades of Grey?

And don't get me wrong! I'm not saying you should. I'm asking for internal consistency. Or honesty from these people that they're homophobes. Neither of these would change anything, but I'm at a point where I no longer expect anything to ever change ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever, so I mean, that's my bad. I frankly don't know how to teach people who actively refuse to learn things. And I'm sick of feeling like I have to constantly -- effectively -- prove my humanity to some people just because I'm bi and nonbinary.
(I'm not an expert on straight sex, sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
this is the funniest part of the thread by a wide margin tbh
 

Peter Quill

star-lord
You know I've felt in my bones for a while that there's been a creative push to redress a very classic but also old/tired homophobic/transphobic stereotype (LGBT people being child predators) into sort of nouveau discourse language and this thread certainly has proven that. How embarrassing for some of you.
 

AshxSatoshi

Ice Aurelia
You know I've felt in my bones for a while that there's been a creative push to redress a very classic but also old/tired homophobic/transphobic stereotype (LGBT people being child predators) into sort of nouveau discourse language and this thread certainly has proven that. How embarrassing for some of you.
See I knew someone was going to equate this with saying “all gay men are predators”. As someone who is apart of the community I can say that this a reach and projection. Arguing that children shouldn’t exposed to sexual things involving adults is in no way implying that all gay mean are pe**’s. Especially with the social climate we are in with all of the trafficking and grooming allegations going on with children these days I’m not even sure why this is a discussion hetero or homosexual.
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
If you think about it, how many public events have bikini women in it and yet no yells "think about the children!"?

It doesn't really happen because it all caters to the male demographic that attends, and while representation of women in the public sphere is its own topic, it really goes to show that we have different standards for a straight event than a gay event.
 

AshxSatoshi

Ice Aurelia
If you think about it, how many public events have bikini women in it and yet no yells "think about the children!"?

It doesn't really happen because it all caters to the male demographic that attends, and while representation of women in the public sphere is its own topic, it really goes to show that we have different standards for a straight event than a gay event.
The difference between that is a woman’s body isn’t naturally sexual. Men sexualize woman and make the situation sexual. A woman wearing a bikini shouldn’t be sexual unless she makes it so. This “whataboutism” doesn’t negate from the fact that why is kids being exposed to adults being sexual discourse in the first place?
 
See I knew someone was going to equate this with saying “all gay men are predators”. As someone who is apart of the community I can say that this a reach and projection. Arguing that children shouldn’t exposed to sexual things involving adults is in no way implying that all gay mean are pe**’s. Especially with the social climate we are in with all of the trafficking and grooming allegations going on with children these days I’m not even sure why this is a discussion hetero or homosexual.

If you believe that adult sexual expressions are damaging to children in a meaningful and substantive way beyond gut feelings, by extension you're implicating kinksters at pride as at least being mildly pedophilic. Why not prosecute them for indecent exposure to minors if that's your belief?
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
What kind of sexual imagery are we seeing at pride anyway? A person in a dog suit? There's already one in a fighting game tournament.
Also, a go to an anime conventions and see guys dressed as Quiet from MGSV, yet I still see kids at the event. What about the children?
 
The difference between that is a woman’s body isn’t naturally sexual. Men sexualize woman and make the situation sexual. A woman wearing a bikini shouldn’t be sexual unless she makes it so. This “whataboutism” doesn’t negate from the fact that why is kids being exposed to adults being sexual discourse in the first place?
The difference between that is a woman’s body isn’t naturally sexual. Men sexualize woman and make the situation sexual. A woman wearing a bikini shouldn’t be sexual unless she makes it so. This “whataboutism” doesn’t negate from the fact that why is kids being exposed to adults being sexual discourse in the first place?

Yeah, but things like heels, push up bras, thongs, skinny jean's, etc. are explicitly sexual. They're designed to draw attention to/accentuate features of the body attractive for sex. Don't split hairs over a bikini when, if you're being honest, you know there are countless examples
 

AshxSatoshi

Ice Aurelia
If you believe that adult sexual expressions are damaging to children in a meaningful and substantive way beyond gut feelings, by extension you're implicating kinksters at pride as at least being mildly pedophilic. Why not prosecute them for indecent exposure to minors if that's your belief?
Connection does not equal correlation. You’re connecting two different topics in attempt to twist my words and I won’t allow you to do that. What I’m saying is if any situation is aversely sexual in nature than it is not appropriate for young children. I don’t find pride to be over sexual for the most part but I can’t speak for every event because I’m not everywhere in the world. You seem to have no problem with children being exposed to adults having sex and that’s your own thing you have to figure out but don’t try to make it seem like I’m calling gay men pe** when I never said that to make a point. If kinkisters are doing certain actions that is overly sexual then no children should not be present. I’m not sure how that’s calling it pedophilic or where you got that from. Are you implying that if someone doesn’t want to kids exposed to things of sexual nature they must think the person who’s preforming the sex act is a pe**? Where is that coming from?
 
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Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
Connection does not equal correlation. You’re connecting two different topics in attempt to twist my words and I won’t allow you to do that. What I’m saying is if any situation is aversely sexual in nature than it is not appropriate for young children. I don’t find pride to be over sexual for the most part but I can’t speak for every event because I’m not everywhere in the world. You seem to have no problem with children being exposed to adults having sex and that’s your own thing you have to figure out but don’t try to make it seem like I’m calling gay men pe** when I never said that to make a point.
I don't think he ever did?
He did respond to someone about pornography's effect on children and said that it would depend of context (which I agree with).
 

Sham

npc
Yeah, but things like heels, push up bras, thongs, skinny jean's, etc. are explicitly sexual. They're designed to draw attention to/accentuate features of the body attractive for sex. Don't split hairs over a bikini when, if you're being honest, you know there are countless examples
HUH? This is not it and is going really deep into **** culture. How is a woman wearing heels sexual? This is no different from asking someone when they were assaulted "what were you wearing?" We can agree to disagree but please don't make anything associated with "femininity" automatically sexual because it's doing what you think it is. Are boots, baseball caps and baggy jeans sexual as well?
 
HUH? This is not it and is going really deep into **** culture. How is a woman wearing heels sexual? This is no different from asking someone when they were assaulted "what were you wearing?" We can agree to disagree but please don't make anything associated with "femininity" automatically sexual because it's doing what you think it is.

Did you just suggest that me saying an article of clothing being primarily used ~in the modern day~ to accentuate a physical feature (Dude, outside of like business interviews and stuff women wear high heels to make their butt look good lol) with victim blaming?????

Is there a single good faith actor in this entire thread?
 

Sham

npc
Did you just suggest that me saying an article of clothing being primarily used ~in the modern day~ to accentuate a physical feature (Dude, outside of like business interviews and stuff women wear high heels to make their butt look good lol) with victim blaming?????

Is there a single good faith actor in this entire thread?
Yes I did because clothes are not sexual. Women (and anyone of any gender) should be able to wear whatever they want without someone calling it sexual unless they themselves make it sexual. To do otherwise is stripping someone of their sexual agency because YOU find sexual it automatically must be and that's the exact same thinking used in dangerous situations involving people. But that would take reading and I guess it is just simpler to say I'm posting in bad faith because I don't want you placing sexuality on articles of clothing and other attributes.
 
I don't, individually, society does. Women do. As do men with skinny jeans. Sure, people can wear clothes primarily used to accentuate physical features that are sexually desirable for other purposes, but you're just faking outrage because you're too much of a coward to engage with the general point made that there are plenty of other articles of clothing besides kink wear which are worn with the same purpose, that don't receive condemnation.

@AskxSatoshi

Okay. What do we call adverse sexual behavior/displays in front of children irrespective of intent? We have a word for it. Own the logical conclusions of what you're saying. Why shouldn't kinksters at pride be charged with indecent exposure and listed as sex offenders if kink/exposure to kink adversely harms kids. Come on.
 
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