Pride discourse.

[The Admiral]

You wanna know what's really weird? Weird in very large air-quotes?

It's "weird" how a bunch of cishets just kinda assume there's that much public sex going on at Pride. There is not. And when a lot of them are called to describe what they're talking about, they come back with pictures of a dude in a harness -- not even, like, doing anything unusual in said harness, just wearing a harness and standing there, maybe dancing in a fairly normal, non-sexual way. Some dude in leather is not going to harm your kids by itself. Come back when he's actually ****ing on a float and maybe we can have a conversation about whether or not public sex in general is socially acceptable (but again, we can frame that direction away from Pride because sex in public places happens elsewhere between people who heterosexual and/or cisgender -- discussing only public "kink" and/or sexuality at Pride has an ulterior motive or is borne of ignorance). Also, if "kink" at Pride is bad, what about "kink" elsewhere? Did any of you folks have problems with, say... anything to do with Fifty Shades of Grey?

And don't get me wrong! I'm not saying you should. I'm asking for internal consistency. Or honesty from these people that they're homophobes. Neither of these would change anything, but I'm at a point where I no longer expect anything to ever change ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever, so I mean, that's my bad. I frankly don't know how to teach people who actively refuse to learn things. And I'm sick of feeling like I have to constantly -- effectively -- prove my humanity to some people just because I'm bi and nonbinary.

(I'm not an expert on straight sex, sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

this is the funniest part of the thread by a wide margin tbh

 

[Peter Quill]

You know I've felt in my bones for a while that there's been a creative push to redress a very classic but also old/tired homophobic/transphobic stereotype (LGBT people being child predators) into sort of nouveau discourse language and this thread certainly has proven that. How embarrassing for some of you.

 

[AshxSatoshi]

You know I've felt in my bones for a while that there's been a creative push to redress a very classic but also old/tired homophobic/transphobic stereotype (LGBT people being child predators) into sort of nouveau discourse language and this thread certainly has proven that. How embarrassing for some of you.

See I knew someone was going to equate this with saying “all gay men are predators”. As someone who is apart of the community I can say that this a reach and projection. Arguing that children shouldn’t exposed to sexual things involving adults is in no way implying that all gay mean are pe**’s. Especially with the social climate we are in with all of the trafficking and grooming allegations going on with children these days I’m not even sure why this is a discussion hetero or homosexual.

 

[Auraninja]

If you think about it, how many public events have bikini women in it and yet no yells "think about the children!"?

It doesn't really happen because it all caters to the male demographic that attends, and while representation of women in the public sphere is its own topic, it really goes to show that we have different standards for a straight event than a gay event.

 

[AshxSatoshi]

If you think about it, how many public events have bikini women in it and yet no yells "think about the children!"?

It doesn't really happen because it all caters to the male demographic that attends, and while representation of women in the public sphere is its own topic, it really goes to show that we have different standards for a straight event than a gay event.

The difference between that is a woman’s body isn’t naturally sexual. Men sexualize woman and make the situation sexual. A woman wearing a bikini shouldn’t be sexual unless she makes it so. This “whataboutism” doesn’t negate from the fact that why is kids being exposed to adults being sexual discourse in the first place?

 

[Baba Yaga]

See I knew someone was going to equate this with saying “all gay men are predators”. As someone who is apart of the community I can say that this a reach and projection. Arguing that children shouldn’t exposed to sexual things involving adults is in no way implying that all gay mean are pe**’s. Especially with the social climate we are in with all of the trafficking and grooming allegations going on with children these days I’m not even sure why this is a discussion hetero or homosexual.

If you believe that adult sexual expressions are damaging to children in a meaningful and substantive way beyond gut feelings, by extension you're implicating kinksters at pride as at least being mildly pedophilic. Why not prosecute them for indecent exposure to minors if that's your belief?

 

[Auraninja]

What kind of sexual imagery are we seeing at pride anyway? A person in a dog suit? There's already one in a fighting game tournament.
Also, a go to an anime conventions and see guys dressed as Quiet from MGSV, yet I still see kids at the event. What about the children?

 

[Baba Yaga]

The difference between that is a woman’s body isn’t naturally sexual. Men sexualize woman and make the situation sexual. A woman wearing a bikini shouldn’t be sexual unless she makes it so. This “whataboutism” doesn’t negate from the fact that why is kids being exposed to adults being sexual discourse in the first place?

The difference between that is a woman’s body isn’t naturally sexual. Men sexualize woman and make the situation sexual. A woman wearing a bikini shouldn’t be sexual unless she makes it so. This “whataboutism” doesn’t negate from the fact that why is kids being exposed to adults being sexual discourse in the first place?

Yeah, but things like heels, push up bras, thongs, skinny jean's, etc. are explicitly sexual. They're designed to draw attention to/accentuate features of the body attractive for sex. Don't split hairs over a bikini when, if you're being honest, you know there are countless examples

 

[AshxSatoshi]

If you believe that adult sexual expressions are damaging to children in a meaningful and substantive way beyond gut feelings, by extension you're implicating kinksters at pride as at least being mildly pedophilic. Why not prosecute them for indecent exposure to minors if that's your belief?

Connection does not equal correlation. You’re connecting two different topics in attempt to twist my words and I won’t allow you to do that. What I’m saying is if any situation is aversely sexual in nature than it is not appropriate for young children. I don’t find pride to be over sexual for the most part but I can’t speak for every event because I’m not everywhere in the world. You seem to have no problem with children being exposed to adults having sex and that’s your own thing you have to figure out but don’t try to make it seem like I’m calling gay men pe** when I never said that to make a point. If kinkisters are doing certain actions that is overly sexual then no children should not be present. I’m not sure how that’s calling it pedophilic or where you got that from. Are you implying that if someone doesn’t want to kids exposed to things of sexual nature they must think the person who’s preforming the sex act is a pe**? Where is that coming from?

 

[Auraninja]

Connection does not equal correlation. You’re connecting two different topics in attempt to twist my words and I won’t allow you to do that. What I’m saying is if any situation is aversely sexual in nature than it is not appropriate for young children. I don’t find pride to be over sexual for the most part but I can’t speak for every event because I’m not everywhere in the world. You seem to have no problem with children being exposed to adults having sex and that’s your own thing you have to figure out but don’t try to make it seem like I’m calling gay men pe** when I never said that to make a point.

I don't think he ever did?
He did respond to someone about pornography's effect on children and said that it would depend of context (which I agree with).

 

[AshxSatoshi]

I don't think he ever did?
He did respond to someone about pornography's effect on children and said that it would depend of context (which I agree with).

If you read his original post the implication is there.

 

[Baba Yaga]

HUH? This is not it and is going really deep into **** culture. How is a woman wearing heels sexual? This is no different from asking someone when they were assaulted "what were you wearing?" We can agree to disagree but please don't make anything associated with "femininity" automatically sexual because it's doing what you think it is.

Did you just suggest that me saying an article of clothing being primarily used ~in the modern day~ to accentuate a physical feature (Dude, outside of like business interviews and stuff women wear high heels to make their butt look good lol) with victim blaming?????

Is there a single good faith actor in this entire thread?

 

[Baba Yaga]

I don't, individually, society does. Women do. As do men with skinny jeans. Sure, people can wear clothes primarily used to accentuate physical features that are sexually desirable for other purposes, but you're just faking outrage because you're too much of a coward to engage with the general point made that there are plenty of other articles of clothing besides kink wear which are worn with the same purpose, that don't receive condemnation.

@AskxSatoshi

Okay. What do we call adverse sexual behavior/displays in front of children irrespective of intent? We have a word for it. Own the logical conclusions of what you're saying. Why shouldn't kinksters at pride be charged with indecent exposure and listed as sex offenders if kink/exposure to kink adversely harms kids. Come on.

 

[Baba Yaga]

No, kink is not inherently sexual.

Is kink inherently sexual?

No. Okay, that’s a pretty boring post on its own, I guess I could elaborate :) Credit where it’s due, this post is inspired by an email from a reader ages and ages ago that I obs…

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Just like how some articles of clothing can be primarily used in a sexual way (but not always )

 

[AshxSatoshi]

I don't, individually, society does. Women do. As do men with skinny jeans. Sure, people can wear clothes primarily used to accentuate physical features that are sexually desirable for other purposes, but you're just faking outrage because you're too much of a coward to engage with the general point made that there are plenty of other articles of clothing besides kink wear which are worn with the same purpose, that don't receive condemnation.

@AskxSatoshi

Okay. What do we call adverse sexual behavior/displays in front of children irrespective of intent? We have a word for it. Own the logical conclusions of what you're saying. Why shouldn't kinksters at pride be charged with indecent exposure and listed as sex offenders if kink/exposure to kink adversely harms kids. Come on.

Lol we are not doing this. If all you have is to sit there and place words in my mouth based on your bullsh***… I mean “logical conclusions” (sorry) then I have nothing left for you. You’ve clearly come to the realization that your stance on the matter is harrowing so instead of addressing the points in my post you choose to ignore that and argue points you’ve came up with in your own head instead of the points in black and white. And I have no interest being apart of that.

 

[Baba Yaga]

See ya later.

*brushes off dust*

 

[Sadib]

Yes I did because clothes are not sexual. Women (and anyone of any gender) should be able to wear whatever they want without someone calling it sexual unless they themselves make it sexual. To do otherwise is stripping someone of their sexual agency because YOU find sexual it automatically must be and that's the exact same thinking used in dangerous situations involving people. But that would take reading and I guess it is just simpler to say I'm posting in bad faith because I don't want you placing sexuality on articles of clothing and other attributes.

There's nothing sexual about BDSM uniforms either then.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Explicitly,

primarily,

sounds like a,

~*~hair split~*~ because you don't wanna engage with the argument lol

 

[Sadib]

Yeah I said kink outfits are mostly always sexual in nature. Hence the word kink. I was careful to add the word mostly incase that statement wasn't completely true. Leaving room to be open for error.

I can't believe you're victim blaming BDSM people.

 

[Sadib]

No, kink is not inherently sexual.

Is kink inherently sexual?

No. Okay, that’s a pretty boring post on its own, I guess I could elaborate :) Credit where it’s due, this post is inspired by an email from a reader ages and ages ago that I obs…

notjustbitchy.com

Just like how some articles of clothing can be primarily used in a sexual way (but not always )

What's your definition of kink then?