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Project Phoenix

Approved by Sweet May

Project Phoenix

No, this is not a Phoenix Wright fangame.

This isn't just a fanproject for fake Pokemon. It's much deeper than that. Project Pheonix is an attempt to revitalize a rather defunct community. It is meant for us to all gather together and work towards a common goal. To create a high-quality fan region. By no means will this ever become a game. That goal is much too lofty. It will, however, be seen by the world if one of us were to put up sprites or sketches on DeviantART.

We're all going to get together and design a region full of Fakemon together, starting from scratch. That means no old sprites, no old concepts. Just the bare-bones. I encourage you all to pitch in for this project. The ultimate goal would be to have good sprites for all our Fakemon, though it's much more than just that. You don't have to be good at spriting, or making Fakemon to be a part of this. All you need is a good imagination. If you have a good idea, but suck at drawing, you can have somebody else sprite it to your specifications.

To help with the diversity of the Fakedex, I'd like anyone who's part of this project to design at least one evolutionary family, appearance wise. That way our region can be as authentic as a real one. A region full of Pokemon of different appearances and motifs.

This isn't just working on sprites on our own and posting them. We need to feel like a team, so we should work together to figure out what works and what doesn't, and modify our Fakemon as we go along. So rather, we would post a Work-in-progress sprite to see how it looks, so all that effort doesn't go to waste. Nobody's opinion is stupid. If somebody wants to design a mole Pokemon, don't call them out on it. So what if we have Diglett and Mogurew? Disregard any existing Pokemon and design what you want. That's how this project will work.

Before anyone starts spriting a design, we will settle on what the concept is, the feel the Pokemon should give the viewer, and how to get that feel across. If User A comes up with a cool idea but doesn't want to design it himself, User B is free to offer to design it himself. Each person will get individually credited for the Fakemon they made or helped make, and I think what I like about this project is that it encourages diversity.

If you look at any Fakedex, all the Pokemon have the same sort of feel. But, by teaming up into one entity, our Fakedex becomes diverse with different styles and different mindsets. Again, I encourage even those were are new to spriting to participate. If you sprite a Fakemon and it turns out bad, don't feel bad. It's not your fault at all. We won't blame you or say it sucks. However, so we have good quality sprites in our Fakedex, another spriter will sprite your Fakemon if you permit them to. The catch is, if you resprite another person's Fakemon, you carry the responsibility to not alter the design itself. If you're not sure what it's supposed to look like, it's your duty to ask the original designer. I don't want us to have to design Fakemon by necessity, but design by personal wish.

This is supposed to be the SPPf Spriting Forums dream Pokedex, but we still may need a Pokemon cap so this can eventually be completed. This encourages the project to last a long time toward a realistic goal. In conclusion, I hope I was able to explain what Project Phoenix will try to achieve. Just to note, we will not work any sprites at first, as this would ruin the point of the project.

No, the spriting will come once we generate enough ideas to get every participant involved in this. Kapichse? Oh, and if you post a WIP and somebody suggests what you could change about it, don't take it as an insult. We're all supposed to be helping each other out so we can create a good Fakedex. I truly hope this can instill some more activity in the Spriting forum, because this is the kind of teamwork Game Freak itself practices. Please advertise this project to other forums and encourage experienced spriters to take part. That way, we can get more done

A list of Pokemon concepts every good region should have, just to keep with tradition. ;P
Grass-Fire-Water Starters
A Normal/Flying bird family
A Normal mammal family
A Legendary trio
A powerful Legendary duo, often of opposing forces
A cute, mystical, small legendary


The rest is up to our imagination. ;P Don't think we have to come up with the starters first. Come up with whatever your mind thinks of!

And be sure to ask any questions you may have. I know you'll have many.

Some general rules, which will be updated as time goes on:
1. Each person's responsible for their own design, meaning you cannot modify another person's design without their permission.
2. As this is a sprite thread, criticism is inevitable and it's expected you handle it maturely.
3. This is not a chat thread.
4.Since we want to be original, we can only have so many Fakemon based on certain animals. We can't have too many canines, for example.
5. As I said before, I will not accept verbal put-downs of ideas. We obviously can't use every idea, so rather than rejecting them, we should decide what's best for our region.
6. No new types. New types are always really lame and it's hard to define how to classify a Fakemon as a type that we know nothing about.
7. Let's focus on Fakemon for now. Remember, since this is technically a sprite project, we need to sprite some Pokemon fairly soon after we have some solid ideas in the making. Gym leaders etc. will come in their time.

Ideas so far:
Ice/Fighting/Flying triangle of Pokemon
Dark/Psychic/Fighting triangle of Pokemon
Ice/Ground/Steel triangle of Pokemon
Chow-chow->Pixiu or chinese guardian lion (shisha?) depending on a certain factor
Fire/Ice Thermometer
Water Rabbit starter
Water Camel starter
Fire snake starter
Grass bird starter
Snowball-snowman-yeti Ice/Dark
Ice sprite-ice spirit-Snow goddess(?) Ice/Psychic
Freyass(eyass+frey),evolves into Fiercel(Tiercel+Fierce), than into Peregaunt(Peregrine+Gauntlet)
Christmas Cactus
Thunder Gorilla
Lightning Cheetah
Ice/Steel Narwhal 2-stage
A macaw who's tail always points north; used for navigation; pure flying.
- An orange marmoset with a design on it's belly similar to the RSS logo and antenna-like ears. It's based around communication. No idea for the type.
- A lilac coloured maggot with a fire design, and has a small bit of fire coming out of it's circle mouth. Fire type, obv.
- A golem styled Pokémon, however it is made of glass. It has visible pumps which contain chocolate.
- A hamster with some sort of fruit on it's back.
- A ewe with toffee or some sort of candy stuck in it's wool
It goes like this: Rock Pawn---> Rock/Dark Rook ---> Rock/Dark King/Queen (Gender difference)
Rock Pawn---> Rock/Steel Knight ---> Rock/Steel Bishop..
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* A Water/Ghost Pokemon based off the karakasa-obake (umbrella ghost). It's super popular in Japan, so I'm surprised it hasn't been turned into a Pokemon yet.
* A Water/Fighting sponge mixed with a sumo wrestler...it increases its weight by taking in water making it near unmovable, referencing the sponge's sedentary nature. But we already have Killingedge's idea for a sponge, so that may overlap.
* Water/Ground Elephant, in reference to their mudbaths. Could be a bit tongue-in-cheek, with a mud-shaped pattern on its body that resembles a bikini. Could evolve into an elephant covered in mud which gives it the appearance of a woolly mammoth, with the dripping mud resembling long strands of hair.
* Water/Fighting dalmatian who is a fire-fighter, referencing their use at fire stations. Its ears could resemble a traditional Japanese fireman's hat.
A i have an idea for a magikarp/Feebass pokemon: It an ugly, urky colored swamp fish that evolves into a pokemon that resembled the Monster of the Black Lagoon.
Water Pokemon? Well, for the Golduck/Swana pokemon, what about a Flamingo? I know it's not that original but I've never seen a sprite of a flamingo pokemon.
I have a fakemon suggestion
-A banker-cheapskate pokemon. This pokemon would be fat and purple, it would be wearing what appears to be a suit. Its head would be nearly invisible because a really tall hat covers it. This pokemon would be Dark type and loves money

-A female Ninja pokemon, and a male Ninja pokemon. These guys could be dark/fighting type. I imagine them with blue-grey skin. The male would have a small cape and and a ski-like mask covering it's head, it would also have spiky black hair(protruding from mask). The female would also a small cape, but instead of a ski-mask she would have a cloth covering her mouth, she would have a black ponytail.
-A fighting type kangaroo pokemon.
-A pokemon that is based off of cupid, normal type.
-A grass/fighting type monkey pokemon.
-A water/ground type globe pokemon.
-A pokemon based of a pyromaniac, fire/dark type.
-A ghost/dark pokemon based of a burglar.
-A dragon type komodo dragon pokemon.
-A steel/ground type pokemon based off a shovel, that evolves into a pokemon based off a drill, which then evolves into a pokemon based off a jack-hammer.
-An electric type light-bulb pokemon.
Name: Absorphera (absorption + porifera)
Type: Water/Grass
Classification: The Absorption Pokemon

Size: 127.1 cm and 46.77 kg (4’2’’ and 103.1 lbs.)

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Take this sea sponge, color the white parts a deep teal color and the orange ’growths’ whiteish, and have it growing on the back of an also teal quadruped amphibian-esque creature. This creature has webbed feet with three fat toes each, and its face is white with large eyes and a fat mouth, and an oval-shaped nose.

Shiny: The main body and sponge are now silver, and the growths on the sponge and its face are gold.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Crustacide (crustacean + homicide)
Type: Rock/Fighting
Classification: The Irate Pokemon

Size: 117.54 cm and 72.46 kg (46.28 inches and 159.75 pounds)

Physical Description: A giant fossil lobster. It sports a powerful stone exoskeleton covered in scrapes and cuts, with a light tan underbelly. It sports a large gash down and around its left eye, and a smaller one on its right eye. Its pincers are as large as you'd expect on a scaled-up lobster. Its front legs are a bit thicker than the ones in back. The stone comprising its exoskeleton and pincers is a medium-dark shade of brown, with the legs being a lighter brown.

Shiny: Crustacide’s exoskeleton is now a deep shade of navy blue, with the legs still a lighter variant. Its underbelly is a silverish-white.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Syniphe ( synalpheus + snipe )
Type: Water/Fire
Classification: The Sharpshot Pokemon

Size: 73.76 cm and 19.5 kg (2’5’’ and 43 lbs.)

Physical Description: A red shrimp with large black eyes and a large right claw, shaped like a gun; the top looks normal, but the bottom of the claw looks like the handle of the gun and a trigger. Its left claw is normally-sized, with a sharp pincer at the end. Long, stringy legs with equally long and stringy whiskers, both colored the same as its body, but with black on the tips.

Shiny: Black with blue eyes, and blue tips on its legs and whiskers.

Gender Difference: Female Syniphe have a slightly slimmer gunclaw, and a slightly longer normal claw. Their whiskers are also cut a bit shorter.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Obliterock
Type: Rock/Electric
Classification: The Impact Stone Pokemon

Height: 64 cm (2’1’’)
Weight: 7.53 kg (16.6 lbs)
(Height and weight include Obliterock’s stone, which is rather dense for its size.)

Physical Description: A large, fat, and very earthy-looking brown dung beetle. Rather than a ball of dung, however, it rolls around on a grey stone formed into a perfect sphere. The spots where its legs touch the rock give off sparks, showing that Obliterock is electrically bound to the stone.

Shiny: Obliterock itself is colored electric blue, while its stone is a polished marble color.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Voltrellis
Type: Grass/Electric
Classification: The Live Wire Pokemon

Height: 189 cm (6’2’’)
Weight: 160.6 kg (354 lbs.)

Physical Description: A large horse-like creature wearing what appears to be an armor coating made of brown tree bark. It has holes scattered across this armor, through which neon-green vines are spun around its body. These vines have dark green leaves of different sizes growing on them at various points, along with Voltrellis itself having a mane of leaves. It also has three large leaves fanning off the top of its head, one pointed forward from its forehead, and the other two pointed backwards and drooping down the back of its head. (The three leaves are in a Y shape if you look at Voltrellis from above.) It also has an elegant white tail.

Shiny: Its armor is now a sandy white color, with neon-blue vines and bright green leaves.

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Pokedex At a Glance:
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The next post will contain in-depth Pokedex entries for each Pokemon.
 
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Completed Sprites!
All completed sprites will be presented in the following format:

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Majestix
Type: Fire/Flying
Classification: The Rebirth Pokemon

Height: 68.58 cm (2’3’’)
Weight: 47.04 kg (103.7 lbs)

- Dex Entries -
- It's believed that a Majestix will appear to lend its power to a trainer who is truly devoted and willing to give their all for the sake of their Pokemon.
- The vibrant flames Majestix summons with its attacks have remarkable properties. They will only burn Majestix’s foes, and their colors inspire all who see them.
- Majestix’s body overflows with life force, and as such it has amazing healing properties. Its tears can rejuvenate fellow Pokemon, while its feathers can ease human wounds.

- Abilities, Stats, and Obtaining Info -
Ability: Reawaken (Once per battle, if two of your Pokemon are fainted while Majestix is fainted, Majestix will be revived at 75% of its maximum health.)
Base Stats: 100 HP / 80 Attack / 95 Defense / 125 Sp.Atk / 105 Sp.Def / 95 Speed (BST 600)

Gender Ratio: Genderless

EVs: 3 Sp.Atk
Catch Rate: 3

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv--: Fire Dance
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Lv--: Incinerate
Lv--: Gust
Lv9: Wing Attack
Lv16: Fire Spin
Lv23: Safeguard
Lv30: Air Cutter
Lv37: Agility
Lv44: Phoenix Blossom
Lv51: Recover
Lv58: Air Slash
Lv65: Heat Wave
Lv72: Gale
Lv79: Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Blossom
Type: Fire/Special
Power/Accuracy: 100/100
PP: 5
Description: The user unleashes a vibrant blossom of fire from its body that burns with its will to endure.
Effect: This attack also raises Majestix’s Defense and Sp.Def stats by one stage when used.

Phoenix Tears
Type: Fire/Support
Power/Accuracy: --/100
PP: 5
Priority: +1
Description: The user cuts its HP and regenerates one of its teammates’ at the same time.
Effect: The user halves its current HP, and whichever of its teammates currently has the lowest percentage of its max HP regains 50% of its own max HP. (This move can be used on the overworld as well, with the same effect.)


 
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Heartily approve of this idea :)

Maybe it's just me, but I've always wanted a quadrupedal (final form) Fire starter. Grass and Water have had them (Venusaur/Torterra and Wotter's final evolution respectively), and Fire has been cheated out of it since Typhlosion usually goes bipedal. Thoughts?
Yeah, Tepig would have made a great four-legged fire starter. I'm not sure what we could make that would work though. Maybe an armadillo? Or perhaps some sort of four-legged reptile. Let's all share our ideas!
 
Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

I've always liked Starters that are either super-effective against both others, or ones that are super-effective with both types against the others. So a few little ideas:
Ice/Fighting/Flying
Dark/Psychic/Fighting
Ice/Ground/Steel

Fire/Ice would be a good idea, especially seeing as it's something we haven't seen yet at all. Maybe something based on a Thermometer or something similar?
My concepts often involve inanimate objects ;).
 

-Raiga-

Well-Known Member
Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

And where exactly are these rules? All I see in every paragraph is "lets all work together and make a fakedex" Its the same exact thing as what we did before. Its not like I couldn't have kept the thread open, but to create a mediocre fakedex with a bunch of old sprites wasn't anyones goal.

Look, its not like I don't want this project to work, I wish it the best. But its really the same damn thing with cheesy "lets be happy and don't make fun of anyone" replacing my first post.

I'm not mad or anything, given it was a community project that people decided the rules for, not myself. Just don't act like I didnt' have the rules there, because I did, and as I'm sure Yoshinichi is about to find out, its enforcing the rules(or lack thereof) for every newbie every 3 posts thats the hard thing.
 

noobiess

6 different pokemon
Ok, it's quit cheesy, but I like the idea of grouping together.
I do'nt think their won't be alot of arguing, but when you are able to keep tit under control, arguing could be really learnfull...

I want to like give an idea for the region as well...
I usaly liek to use alot of mythology and specific based animals for my fakemon, so here I don't make an exception...
So here is the idea,
the basic pokemon is a chow chow, a dog specificly from monogolia,
and there will be 2 evolution,
one is a Pixiu (a mythical chinse dog/lion with wings)(and I personaly would make a pattern that refers to feng shui (typical for pixiu)
The other evolution is a big chinese guardian lion (with a pattern of the flawer of life, because it's typical for this thing)

I probably won't design them, because I'm terrebly busy...
So hopefully somebody else will :)
 

tomthepom

Well-Known Member
Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

I've always liked Starters that are either super-effective against both others, or ones that are super-effective with both types against the others. So a few little ideas:
Ice/Fighting/Flying
Dark/Psychic/Fighting
Ice/Ground/Steel

Fire/Ice would be a good idea, especially seeing as it's something we haven't seen yet at all. Maybe something based on a Thermometer or something similar?
My concepts often involve inanimate objects ;).



I like the idea of this whole thing, just saying though, Dark/Psychic/Fighting isn't a trio since psychic doesn't touch dark. Which also contradicts what you said above.

Anyway, i wish you guys the best of luck with the project.
 

Epwna is a Sceptile

The epic turnip king
I agree with Proby's idea for Fighting/Ice/Flying. And I have a few concepts.

Ice:
1. A snowball, evolves into a snowman, than an Ice/Dark Yeti.
2. A little ice sprite, evolves into an ice spirit, than an Ice/Psychic Snow goddess (named Khizzard, Khione,the goddess of snow+blizzard).

I'll give my other concepts later.
 
Ooh, I like the idea of a thermometer, it works perfectly for Fire/Ice. I would be cautious about making it a starter though, since the starters are all animal-based. It definitely could be the Rotom or Castform of the region. It could have different forms based on the weather, perhaps? A Blue Mercury form when there's Hail, and Red Murcury for sun. In any other weather, or no weather, it could be purple?

As for the Chow Chow, I really like it. There aren't enough split evolutions in the recent generations. :)

Armadillos seem a little bit overdone in FakeDexes, not that it's necessarily a bad thing... I just think there's a more original route. After Lions, Armadillos are probably the most common Fire starter in FakeDexes. What about a Fire elephant? I can totally see it spouting fire from its trunk.

As for a Water starter, how do people feel about a Camel? They store water in their humps, so that would work. One thing that always bothers me in FakeDexes is when the Water starter is a fish or serpent or something... Heresofar, the Water starters are always able to walk on land as well as strive in water.
 
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evolutionrex

The Awesome Atheist
Awesome. I am welling to help anyway i can! :D

As of spriting, not very good (i'm not the worst though). But i am good with coming up with ideas for pokemon, along with locations.

Some locations for the map:
-A farm that raises miltank and other farm related pokemon (along with fakemon.) It could be the only place in the region where you can get berries from the plants. There could be a whole feild full of berry plants and areas where you can plant the berries. You could get money from a farmer if you plant the berries. Battlers could also be hidden throughout the farm.

-A Pokemon hospital filled with doctor and nurse battlers, along with hospital related Pokemon (Chancy for an example.) The 1st floor should look like an ordinary Pokemon Center, but as you go up stairs you see tons of rooms full of sick pokemon and people, as well as Doctors and Nurses. in the Pokemon Hospital, there should be a Pokemon Center, an Emergency room, isles of rooms full of sick Pokemon and people, offices, a storage room where you can find potions and healing items, and on the top floor there is a garden and park for the sick pokemon and people.

-A Trainer College. It comes from the idea of the Trainer Schools, but it is for the advanced. it should come late in the game, and you can become a student. There is a foot ball feild, laboratories, classrooms, dormitories, and Gym where you can practice battling with high leveled pokemon. there should also be a stadium where a Pokemon musical, Pokemon contest, or an entire new spin off of those two thing are held.

-A swamp. simple as that. swamp related pokemon could be found there.

As for pokemon starter ideas, here are mine:
Grass starter: A duck, witch evolves into a goose, which then evolves into a part flying Swan pokemon.

Fire starter: A snake, which evolves into a rattle snake, which then evolves into a part dark type cobra pokemon.

Water Starter: A rabbit, which evolves into a part fighting type rabbit, which then evolves into a part fighting type sumo-wrestler (spelling?) rabbit pokemon.
 
Time to respond. Man, I know I'm going to get my fair share of critics for something I thought was a good idea. :p

Ok, it's quit cheesy, but I like the idea of grouping together.
I do'nt think their won't be alot of arguing, but when you are able to keep tit under control, arguing could be really learnfull...

I want to like give an idea for the region as well...
I usaly liek to use alot of mythology and specific based animals for my fakemon, so here I don't make an exception...
So here is the idea,
the basic pokemon is a chow chow, a dog specificly from monogolia,
and there will be 2 evolution,
one is a Pixiu (a mythical chinse dog/lion with wings)(and I personaly would make a pattern that refers to feng shui (typical for pixiu)
The other evolution is a big chinese guardian lion (with a pattern of the flawer of life, because it's typical for this thing)

I probably won't design them, because I'm terrebly busy...
So hopefully somebody else will :)
A chowchow, eh? I've seen these guys before, but I've never really thought about one as a Pokemon. I'd really like to design these guys, but I won't until I hear that other people think it's a good idea. Personally, I think it's brilliant. What does a fengshui pattern look like, though? And did you have a specific type for it?
Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

I've always liked Starters that are either super-effective against both others, or ones that are super-effective with both types against the others. So a few little ideas:
Ice/Fighting/Flying
Dark/Psychic/Fighting
Ice/Ground/Steel

Fire/Ice would be a good idea, especially seeing as it's something we haven't seen yet at all. Maybe something based on a Thermometer or something similar?
My concepts often involve inanimate objects ;).
Inanimate objects are great, but I personally think the original starter trio is fine. However, your Ice/Ground/Steel or Ice/Fighting/Flying triangles would be perfect for a regular Legendary Pokemon trio.
And where exactly are these rules? All I see in every paragraph is "lets all work together and make a fakedex" Its the same exact thing as what we did before. Its not like I couldn't have kept the thread open, but to create a mediocre fakedex with a bunch of old sprites wasn't anyones goal.

Look, its not like I don't want this project to work, I wish it the best. But its really the same damn thing with cheesy "lets be happy and don't make fun of anyone" replacing my first post.

I'm not mad or anything, given it was a community project that people decided the rules for, not myself. Just don't act like I didnt' have the rules there, because I did, and as I'm sure Yoshinichi is about to find out, its enforcing the rules(or lack thereof) for every newbie every 3 posts thats the hard thing.
Well, actually, it isn't. I want this to have a lot more creative process behind it, so we can actually make a quality fakedex that involves real work. Did you read carefully? I'm not trying to be rude, but if you did, you'd notice there is actually rules for this thing. And yes, I did make half of these rules up on the spot.

1. Each person's responsible for their own design, meaning you cannot modify another person's design without their permission.
2. As this is a sprite thread, criticism is inevitable and it's expected you handle it maturely.
3. This is not a chat thread.
4.Since we want to be original, we can only have so many Fakemon based on certain animals. We can't have too many canines, for example.
5. As I said before, I will not accept verbal put-downs of ideas. We obviously can't use every idea, so rather than rejecting them, we should decide what's best for our region.
6. No new types. New types are always really lame and it's hard to define how to classify a Fakemon as a type that we know nothing about.

If you'd be so inclined to, come up with more rules. I don't really see how I'm being cheesy for having a giant "pep talk", because I'm really just explaining how real design teams usually work and how the process of thought and creation would go. It's best we design Pokemon ideas together, but relegate the different ideas based on our areas of expertise. So somebody who's awesome at making cute fakemon could design some of those, whereas somebody that does "wacky" ones could design those kind. I'm shooting for at least a few Fakemon designed by everyone. And yes, I know I'll have to be lenient with the rules. If somebody just wants to submit any old sprite, they can as long as they actually put effort into describing what it is, the rhyme or reason, and improve the design if people think it needs work.
 
Maybe, this is just my opinion, but we should focus on the Dex before thinking about Gyms and locations and whatnot? I'm not saying we shouldn't ever get to those, but at least until we get going with ideas and sprites and make some progress, I think we should focus on the Pokemon... If we get too scattered we won't get anything done.

I very much like the Fire Snake idea though, it just needs to be a little more fleshed out. I think if we go to a Cobra we have to be careful to not just rip off Arbok. There are a lot of other cool snakes, like an Anaconda or a Viper, even. For a FakeDex I was making I had a Fire/Poison snake based off a Redbelly Snake. I also like the fighting rabbit, but the Water Starters heresofar have all been based off creatures that, to some extent, live in the water. Undecided about the Flying Grass starter.
 

evolutionrex

The Awesome Atheist
Maybe, this is just my opinion, but we should focus on the Dex before thinking about Gyms and locations and whatnot? I'm not saying we shouldn't ever get to those, but at least until we get going with ideas and sprites and make some progress, I think we should focus on the Pokemon... If we get too scattered we won't get anything done.
I'm not arguing with what you say, but i just have to say i disagree.

Whenever i make a fake region, i always make the locations and map first(not including gyms and that stuff), and while doing that, i get ideas for fakemon.

For example, i say "Lets make swamp in the region" then another member says "Oh yeah, that'd be cool, and we can make a grass/water type crocodile to be found there!"

But, i think we should distribute this into to groups: the location makers and the pokemon makers. That way, the location makers will make a location idea, show it to the pokemon makers and they can give their opinions from their Fakemon view. Then the pokemon makers give their ideas and we to the same. It takes faster (if we keep communicating with each other) and it makes a well done region.

I very much like the Fire Snake idea though, it just needs to be a little more fleshed out. I think if we go to a Cobra we have to be careful to not just rip off Arbok. There are a lot of other cool snakes, like an Anaconda or a Viper, even. For a FakeDex I was making I had a Fire/Poison snake based off a Redbelly Snake. I also like the fighting rabbit, but the Water Starters heresofar have all been based off creatures that, to some extent, live in the water. Undecided about the Flying Grass starter.
The idea i had of the cobra could have fire on it's neck instead of the flaps like Arbok. I don't quite like the Fire/poison idea, it just doesn't seem like a starter pokemon type compination. Not it's a bad idea, just not for a starter.

I have to agree, that the past water starters are based off of animals that live on land and water.
 
I agree with Proby's idea for Fighting/Ice/Flying. And I have a few concepts.

Ice:
1. A snowball, evolves into a snowman, than an Ice/Dark Yeti.
2. A little ice sprite, evolves into an ice spirit, than an Ice/Psychic Snow goddess (named Khizzard, Khione,the goddess of snow+blizzard).

I'll give my other concepts later.
Those are really great ideas, Epwna. Maybe we could make the two Ice type lines counterparts, like how Ranculus and Gothiselle are both Three-stage Psychic type version exclusives.

Ooh, I like the idea of a thermometer, it works perfectly for Fire/Ice. I would be cautious about making it a starter though, since the starters are all animal-based. It definitely could be the Rotom or Castform of the region. It could have different forms based on the weather, perhaps? A Blue Mercury form when there's Hail, and Red Murcury for sun. In any other weather, or no weather, it could be purple?

As for the Chow Chow, I really like it. There aren't enough split evolutions in the recent generations. :)

Armadillos seem a little bit overdone in FakeDexes, not that it's necessarily a bad thing... I just think there's a more original route. After Lions, Armadillos are probably the most common Fire starter in FakeDexes. What about a Fire elephant? I can totally see it spouting fire from its trunk.

As for a Water starter, how do people feel about a Camel? They store water in their humps, so that would work. One thing that always bothers me in FakeDexes is when the Water starter is a fish or serpent or something... Heresofar, the Water starters are always able to walk on land as well as strive in water.
Yeah, the thermometer could be our Rotom, most definitely. I already sort of have a picture of what it would look like, too. You're right, armadillos are a bit overdone in Fakedex's, heh. It was only a suggestion to help get the creative thought going. I actually had a Fire elephant designed at one point, but it never really got very far.

The water in a camel's humps is actually fat, heh. Though that's not to say the design wouldn't work. Pokemon likes playing off of stereotypes, so since camels are stereotyped as having water in their humps...we could pull it off. I'm not sure how we could make it look marine enough though. Oshawott, Totodile, Piplup, Squirtle and Mudkip all have one thing in common. They're all based off of real marine animals that are also terrestrial. Mudkip, however, is a monsterfied version of an axolotl while the rest play this "trope" straight.

Well, what can rectify a water snake or a whale is by giving it limbs that help it get around out of water, such as fins or fin-like legs. However, I appreciate your deep level of thought. Starters are the most important and trickiest part of designing a Fakedex. Since we want our three starters to not to look too similar, we should have three different people design them.

Awesome. I am welling to help anyway i can! :D

As of spriting, not very good (i'm not the worst though). But i am good with coming up with ideas for pokemon, along with locations.

Some locations for the map:
-A farm that raises miltank and other farm related pokemon (along with fakemon.) It could be the only place in the region where you can get berries from the plants. There could be a whole feild full of berry plants and areas where you can plant the berries. You could get money from a farmer if you plant the berries. Battlers could also be hidden throughout the farm.

-A Pokemon hospital filled with doctor and nurse battlers, along with hospital related Pokemon (Chancy for an example.) The 1st floor should look like an ordinary Pokemon Center, but as you go up stairs you see tons of rooms full of sick pokemon and people, as well as Doctors and Nurses. in the Pokemon Hospital, there should be a Pokemon Center, an Emergency room, isles of rooms full of sick Pokemon and people, offices, a storage room where you can find potions and healing items, and on the top floor there is a garden and park for the sick pokemon and people.

-A Trainer College. It comes from the idea of the Trainer Schools, but it is for the advanced. it should come late in the game, and you can become a student. There is a foot ball feild, laboratories, classrooms, dormitories, and Gym where you can practice battling with high leveled pokemon. there should also be a stadium where a Pokemon musical, Pokemon contest, or an entire new spin off of those two thing are held.

-A swamp. simple as that. swamp related pokemon could be found there.

As for pokemon starter ideas, here are mine:
Grass starter: A duck, witch evolves into a goose, which then evolves into a part flying Swan pokemon.

Fire starter: A snake, which evolves into a rattle snake, which then evolves into a part dark type cobra pokemon.

Water Starter: A rabbit, which evolves into a part fighting type rabbit, which then evolves into a part fighting type sumo-wrestler (spelling?) rabbit pokemon.
Hold those thoughts about locations, heh. We'll come back it to it one day. You've got a lot of creativity, so please don't feel excluded. I'll add those ideas to the first post and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
Maybe, this is just my opinion, but we should focus on the Dex before thinking about Gyms and locations and whatnot? I'm not saying we shouldn't ever get to those, but at least until we get going with ideas and sprites and make some progress, I think we should focus on the Pokemon... If we get too scattered we won't get anything done.

I very much like the Fire Snake idea though, it just needs to be a little more fleshed out. I think if we go to a Cobra we have to be careful to not just rip off Arbok. There are a lot of other cool snakes, like an Anaconda or a Viper, even. For a FakeDex I was making I had a Fire/Poison snake based off a Redbelly Snake. I also like the fighting rabbit, but the Water Starters heresofar have all been based off creatures that, to some extent, live in the water. Undecided about the Flying Grass starter.
There's a lot of different cool snakes out there, you're right. We could have a classic Poison/Ground Diamondback Rattlesnake, or a Fire/Poison asp or copperhead. I think Jaroda's based on an anaconda, but I'm not sure. Would the snake be the Fire starter? Because we'd have to be careful not to copy Snivy, and yet create an equally clever idea.

I like the rabbit myself, but I agree. I never got the appeal of giving Water types to Pokemon that don't really lend themselves to the idea conceptually, unless it's for a very specific reason. Hiyappu is one such example.

I've always wanted a Grass type mammal. I think the Grass reptile idea is really getting stale, myself.

EDIT:evolutionrex, you bring up a fine point. We could really use a two team idea like that. If you can find other people who want to design the geography, by all means. This would makes things very efficient.
 
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evolutionrex

The Awesome Atheist
Main bird Pokemon:
-A humming bird

Main rat Pokemon:
-An opossum

Two Main Bug Pokemon:
-A mosquito
-A fly.

Main Electric-Rodent Pokemon:
-A beaver

Main Electric Pokemon:
-A cheetah (Version 1)
-A gorilla (Version 2)

Main Rock Pokemon:
-An Opal

Extinct Pokemon:
-Tyrannosaurus Rex (Version 1)
-Spinosaurus (Version 2)

Main Dragon Pokemon:
-A castle/dragon hybrid

Egg Gift Pokemon:
-A cute generic dinosaur

Not all the ideas are exactly original, but i still their great ideas.

EDIT:evolutionrex, you bring up a fine point. We could really use a two team idea like that. If you can find other people who want to design the geography, by all means. This would makes things very efficient.
thank you for agreeing :D

I got a few people in mind. I'll start PMing them n' stuff.
 
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Hmm, you're actually quite right about geography creating inspiration for Pokemon, I never really thought of it that way.

I don't think we should do a Snake as a starter by any means, since the newest generation does that. Can I also beg that we don't have a Fire/Fighting Pokemon? xD;

As for the main bird, I've attempted a hummingbird but it's difficult since you can't see its wings, but if anyone is up for the challenge I would very much approve. I also like the Dragon Castle idea, very interesting. I'm not a fan of those fossils though, they seem kind of basic (the t-rex at least, in my opinion, is so cliche).

Don't forget about Leafeon, Shaymin, Yanappu and Shekijika! We've got a few Grass mammals but I definitely think there's room for more.

I think a Pangolin would make an interesting Pokemon, maybe even a Grass type. It's kind of like the weird child of a sloth and an armadillo.
 
Comments for these in bold.

Main bird Pokemon:
-A humming bird
Yes, yes, yes. Perhaps a ruby-throated humming-bird. I could only seeing it evolving once, though. I think we need two bird families.
Main rat Pokemon:
-An opossum
I had an opossum for a Normal/Fighting Pokemon once, though this could work as the regional rodent. We could work off the theme of playing "dead".

Two Main Bug Pokemon:
-A mosquito Bug/Dark, perhaps?
-A fly. Bug/Poison, because they like swarming around dead things and poop.

Main Electric-Rodent Pokemon:
-A beaver I actually had this idea once, though somebody else is free to sprite it.

Main Electric Pokemon:
-A cheetah (Version 1)
-A gorilla (Version 2)

Main Rock Pokemon:
-An Opal
I would personally like a stalactite Pokemon, but an opal would work well too.

Extinct Pokemon:
-Tyrannosaurus Rex (Version 1)
-Spinosaurus (Version 2)
Eh....as much as I love dinosaurs, I think we should go an Ice Age route. I'd like to see a Rock/Ice wooly rhino and a Rock/Grass giant ground sloth.


Main Dragon Pokemon:
-A castle/dragon hybrid
Please, do expand on this. Would it be Dragon/Rock?
Egg Gift Pokemon:
-A cute generic dinosaur

Not all the ideas are exactly original, but i still their great ideas.


thank you for agreeing :D

I got a few people in mind. I'll start PMing them n' stuff.
Glad to hear it. Comments in bold.
Hmm, you're actually quite right about geography creating inspiration for Pokemon, I never really thought of it that way.

I don't think we should do a Snake as a starter by any means, since the newest generation does that. Can I also beg that we don't have a Fire/Fighting Pokemon? xD;

As for the main bird, I've attempted a hummingbird but it's difficult since you can't see its wings, but if anyone is up for the challenge I would very much approve. I also like the Dragon Castle idea, very interesting. I'm not a fan of those fossils though, they seem kind of basic (the t-rex at least, in my opinion, is so cliche).

Don't forget about Leafeon, Shaymin, Yanappu and Shekijika! We've got a few Grass mammals but I definitely think there's room for more.

I think a Pangolin would make an interesting Pokemon, maybe even a Grass type. It's kind of like the weird child of a sloth and an armadillo.
Yeah, Fire/Fighting is a definite no-no. Since we have tons of cool ideas now, people are free to start designing sprites or picking ideas that they want to make a reality. In fact, I might start spriting one soon myself, just as an example.

Well, you can see a hummingbirds wings if you find the right picture. They're very ornate and unique.

Sandslash is a pangolin, though it wouldn't hurt to have another. We could design it so looks similar to a pinecone, so people could tell right off the bat it's a grass type. ;P
 
Lol, the whole Fire Elephant thing... I have that sprite already made, I'm kinda working on a region with it now... It ends in what is possibly my most clever design...

Anyway, moving on. The starter ideas were mainly for the SECONDARY types. So for example, a Fire/Ice starter, a Water/Fighting and a Grass/Flying. FOR EXAMPLE. I always go with the traditional types when I think of designs.

I have got some good fossil ideas. One is very similar to yours, Yoshinichi.
Fossils
- Sabre Toothed Tiger line. I love Tigers, I don't think they've had a good enough representation. Purugly and Arcanine are the closest we've had. And one is a Dog, the other hasn't even got Tiger stripes and is far too fat. So I would love a good strong, sleek Sabre toothed tiger line, Fire/Rock.
- My other idea was an Electric/Rock Velociraptor line, but if we're going for Ice Age then something else Electric/Rock maybe? Or the Giant Ground Sloth you've suggested.
- The Ice/Rock Wholly Rhino. He's a Standalone, because these creatures were naturally quite lonely anyway. So He's similar to Aerodactyl. We haven't had a Standalone "third" fossil since Gen 1.

My ideas for the "base" Pokemon
Rodent- A Guinea pig. Not been done before, easy design, goes from a Chubby Fat Guinea Pig to a Guinea pig on two legs.

Bird- Peregrine Falcons. I want to break with tradition here and make the only type that has not been paired with Flying to be paired with it; Fighting. Normal/Flying for the base Pokemon then Fighting/Flying for the two evolutions. I would like the final evo to be based off a count or knight, and be wearing royal type clothing or royal patterns such as a Cape, or other things.

Pikaclone- I really don't want one. I don't see the point in them. Instead, I think we should include every one of them to date, and each one that had yet to receive one. That's Minun, Plusle, Pachirisu and Emonga. I already have the general ideas for them too.

Main bugs:
Fire/Bug line of Scorpions.
Water/Bug line of Snails.

Dragon:
Dragon/Fighting line. Based on the martial art of Kendo. Also, cause "Kendragon" is such an awesome name.

Main electric-
Water/Electric of a Cola line. Goes from straw to a more ornate straw to a cup of Cola.
 

Spherical Ice

Average Spriter
Re: Fire/Ice thermometer, I suggest it should be a Christmas Cactus with a diddy thermometer on it's forehead. I'd suggest it being similar to an ordinary cactus stuck in the ground, with a few red sprouts (seen in the picture), and one could represent heat, the other cold. Anyway, I hope this project goes well. <:
 

evolutionrex

The Awesome Atheist
Yes, yes, yes. Perhaps a ruby-throated humming-bird. I could only seeing it evolving once, though. I think we need two bird families.
Yeah, i was thinking of having just one evolution too. Two bird families would be a little different. Maybe a turkey?
I had an opossum for a Normal/Fighting Pokemon once, though this could work as the regional rodent. We could work off the theme of playing "dead".
Maye a fake move that it could learn that is called "play dead" or something.
Bug/Dark, perhaps?
It could be able to learn bite, so yeah that could work.
Bug/Poison, because they like swarming around dead things and poop.
I think it should be bug/flying, becuase it's you know, a fly :p
I would personally like a stalactite Pokemon, but an opal would work well too.
That is a better idea than mine. I would prefer a stalactite more, becuase it's not only a good idea but it should be easy to sprite.
Eh....as much as I love dinosaurs, I think we should go an Ice Age route. I'd like to see a Rock/Ice wooly rhino and a Rock/Grass giant ground sloth.
Those are good ideas too.
Please, do expand on this. Would it be Dragon/Rock?
The type, I'm not so sure about but the idea is a dragon that has designs and features of a castle, like a castle on it's back or a brick design with a castle like crown on it's head.

I would also like to elaborate my Cheetah and Gorilla electric types. They are version differences. The cheetah is based of of lightening and the Gorilla is based off of thunder.
 
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