Project Phoenix

[FourthBeat]

I think a conical hat is like... the asian rice farmer hat. That might be stereotypical of me to say, but I think it'll instantly come to your mind if I word it that way. That said, I kind of like the gorilla. I've made one or two in my days. I could have a go?

The Sewer System sounds great. Lendura is alright by me.

For an Egyptian Legendary, I'd love to snatch that right now. Anubis, or Horus, plz. The Jackal god or a Bird-like god.

Yoshi, I love the new dogs : D I don't see why we can't still have Puprim though. He could be our Snubbull or Meowth or Skitty.

 

[evolutionrex]

A conical hat is what I assume would also be called a dunce cap. I'm not too fond of the idea of giving it a hat, but other than that it's an awesome idea and they have amazing names. Guys, I'm sorry I haven't really sprited anything new yet. I can't put all the sprites in one image unless the black in their outlines are lighter, because when I copy/paste gifs, they have a black background.

Lendura sounds very interesting, though I think we still need to figure out where in the world we're basing this region off of, you know?

I was thinking some where in the Americas, like ForthBeat suggested. I like Canada, but i would like Peru or somewhere near Central America.

 

[^^Yoshinichi^^]

I think a conical hat is like... the asian rice farmer hat. That might be stereotypical of me to say, but I think it'll instantly come to your mind if I word it that way. That said, I kind of like the gorilla. I've made one or two in my days. I could have a go?

The Sewer System sounds great. Lendura is alright by me.

For an Egyptian Legendary, I'd love to snatch that right now. Anubis, or Horus, plz. The Jackal god or a Bird-like god.

Yoshi, I love the new dogs : D I don't see why we can't still have Puprim though. He could be our Snubbull or Meowth or Skitty.

Yup, we're keeping Puprim. I just was sort of saying that Templaum's technically a remade Puprim, because he evolves into a shisa Pokemon. The shisa isn't going well, by the way. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could improve the design? I'm fine with changing everything but the facial region.

Horus, then, considering Lucario's based off of Anubis. ;P Or maybe the crocodile god, whose name escapes me.

I'm okay with you designing the gorilla if others are. Remember, those eyes are there on the first page to help anyone who needs some inspiration. Currently going to resprite the maggot fakemon.

 

[-Raiga-]

I was thinking some where in the Americas, like ForthBeat suggested. I like Canada, but i would like Peru or somewhere near Central America.

I don't really see why we have to base the region on a specific place. The ONLY thing that will do is limit the type of pokemon we can make.

If we absolutely HAVE to base it on somewhere, we might as well wait until we've decided on all the pokemon and pick the area where most of the pokemon fit in.

 

[evolutionrex]

I don't really see why we have to base the region on a specific place. The ONLY thing that will do is limit the type of pokemon we can make.

If we absolutely HAVE to base it on somewhere, we might as well wait until we've decided on all the pokemon and pick the area where most of the pokemon fit in.

Not really, why would it limit pokemon?

And yeah, we kind of have to base it off of somewhere, since that's what the past regions have been doing.

 

[FourthBeat]

Giraffes and lion-dogs and sloths and chickens and bulls and alligators and hippopotamuses and penguins and elephants and mongooses and cactuses and eagles and sheep and jellyfish and kangaroos and foxes and (Playboy) Bunnies are not all indigenous to Japan, and yet they all appeared in regions based off of Japan. You can't find wild Zebras and Gorillas in America, but they're in Unova. There's really nothing stopping us from adding any Pokemon to any region, just because it's based on a certain location.

 

[-Raiga-]

Not really, why would it limit pokemon?

If you are in a snowy region, it wouldn't make much sense if 70 percent of the pokemon in your region are desert animals would it?

And yeah, we kind of have to base it off of somewhere, since that's what the past regions have been doing.

....thats exactly my point. Nothing like no creativity to decide such a huge part of the game.

Giraffes and lion-dogs and sloths and chickens and bulls and alligators and hippopotamuses and penguins and elephants and mongooses and cactuses and eagles and sheep and jellyfish and kangaroos and foxes and (Playboy) Bunnies are not all indigenous to Japan, and yet they all appeared in regions based off of Japan. You can't find wild Zebras and Gorillas in America, but they're in Unova. There's really nothing stopping us from adding any Pokemon to any region, just because it's based on a certain location.

You seem to be under the impression that because an official game does something its a rule you have to follow. We aren't gamefreak, we can use a little more leverage that they don't have to our advantage, as oppose to restrain us.

 

[evolutionrex]

If you are in a snowy region, it wouldn't make much sense if 70 percent of the pokemon in your region are desert animals would it?

That's why we don't choose Antarctica as the map.

....thats exactly my point. Nothing like no creativity to decide such a huge part of the game.

You seem to be under the impression that because an official game does something its a rule you have to follow. We aren't gamefreak, we can use a little more leverage that they don't have to our advantage, as oppose to restrain us.

But their are requirements. Your right, but it's like your saying we shouldn't make starter pokemon becuase we don't have to.

 

[^^Yoshinichi^^]

-Raiga- has a point, we don't need to have as much leverage. I encourage freedom in designing the Region, but let's get designing the Fakemon done with first. Soon I'm going to come up with an official "numbering" system, which helps me keep track of what Pokemon I have greenlighted for the Pokedex. I'd just like to suggest we shouldn't have too many canids, felines or the like, to encourage diversity. We have Puprim and Templaum, so maybe we could have the husky and that's it. We only have one cat though, the curled up kitty, so another feline wouldn't hurt. I'm mostly saying this because cats and dogs are often done to death in Fakedexs, so we should try to research less-well known animals to use for Fakemon, as well as use some inanimate objects for Pokemon like we have been doing.

I redesigned EvolutionRex's maggot slightly. I hope you don't mind, Rex. I just wanted it to look more like a Pokemon, but I tried to keep it similar. This guy could be one of the weak-worm Pokemon of our region.

 

[evolutionrex]

I redesigned EvolutionRex's maggot slightly. I hope you don't mind, Rex. I just wanted it to look more like a Pokemon, but I tried to keep it similar. This guy could be one of the weak-worm Pokemon of our region.

that looks good!! i hope that the evolutions will turn up good too.

Also, my original plan was to make the fly and a mosquito pokemon. So, once your finished with the fly line, you could do the mosquito larva that evolves into a larva/mosquito hybrid that then finally evolves into a mosquito pokemon, if you think it's a good idea.

 

[^^Yoshinichi^^]

Fixed up the maggot. Does anybody have any ideas for a name?
Also, I'm thinking we shouldn't have both a mosquito and a fly. They're just too similar conceptually, I think. Although, we could make the cocoon evolution evolve into either a fly or a mosquito. What could we have for some Water type Pokemon?

I'm working on fixing up Canopee right now. The garbage can needs a new name, though. Any suggestions?

 

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

I fully support the idea for a Grass/Fighting Gorilla starter because, I agree, we don't really have a typical gorilla Pokemon yet. Plus Grass/Fighting is a cool combination.

So, we've got one Starter part Fighting, and, if we end up going with Lamburn/Memera as the Fire Starter, that's one Starter part Dark. The Fighting/Rock/Flying triangle is the most requested alternate starter triangle (which is of course never going to happen because all Starter Pokemon begin with Normal-type attacks, which Rock resists), so why not represent that through secondary types? A Water/Flying type thus could be our last starter then.

I don't have any immediate ideas, but the hat that the Gorilla starter wears is a Chinese-based hat, whereas my idea for Lamburn has it taking on a Western-motif as a classic punk. Maybe we can follow Gamefreak's idea with the Gen V starters and have the water Starter influenced by Japanese culture?

As for other Water-type Pokemon:
* A Water/Ghost Pokemon based off the karakasa-obake (umbrella ghost). It's super popular in Japan, so I'm surprised it hasn't been turned into a Pokemon yet.
* A Water/Fighting sponge mixed with a sumo wrestler...it increases its weight by taking in water making it near unmovable, referencing the sponge's sedentary nature. But we already have Killingedge's idea for a sponge, so that may overlap.
* Water/Ground Elephant, in reference to their mudbaths. Could be a bit tongue-in-cheek, with a mud-shaped pattern on its body that resembles a bikini. Could evolve into an elephant covered in mud which gives it the appearance of a woolly mammoth, with the dripping mud resembling long strands of hair.
* Water/Fighting dalmatian who is a fire-fighter, referencing their use at fire stations. Its ears could resemble a traditional Japanese fireman's hat.

 

[evolutionrex]

Fixed up the maggot. Does anybody have any ideas for a name?
Also, I'm thinking we shouldn't have both a mosquito and a fly. They're just too similar conceptually, I think. Although, we could make the cocoon evolution evolve into either a fly or a mosquito. What could we have for some Water type Pokemon?

magofest could be a name. maggot + feast, since maggots like to eat a lot of rotting food.

Water Pokemon? Well, for the Golduck/Swana pokemon, what about a Flamingo? I know it's not that original but I've never seen a sprite of a flamingo pokemon.

There is the box jelly fish that can have 2 stages.

A i have an idea for a magikarp/Feebass pokemon: It an ugly, urky colored swamp fish that evolves into a pokemon that resembled the Monster of the Black Lagoon.

 

[^^Yoshinichi^^]

I fully support the idea for a Grass/Fighting Gorilla starter because, I agree, we don't really have a typical gorilla Pokemon yet. Plus Grass/Fighting is a cool combination.

So, we've got one Starter part Fighting, and, if we end up going with Lamburn/Memera as the Fire Starter, that's one Starter part Dark. The Fighting/Rock/Flying triangle is the most requested alternate starter triangle (which is of course never going to happen because all Starter Pokemon begin with Normal-type attacks, which Rock resists), so why not represent that through secondary types? A Water/Flying type thus could be our last starter then.

I don't have any immediate ideas, but the hat that the Gorilla starter wears is a Chinese-based hat, whereas my idea for Lamburn has it taking on a Western-motif as a classic punk. Maybe we can follow Gamefreak's idea with the Gen V starters and have the water Starter influenced by Japanese culture?

As for other Water-type Pokemon:
* A Water/Ghost Pokemon based off the karakasa-obake (umbrella ghost). It's super popular in Japan, so I'm surprised it hasn't been turned into a Pokemon yet.
* A Water/Fighting sponge mixed with a sumo wrestler...it increases its weight by taking in water making it near unmovable, referencing the sponge's sedentary nature. But we already have Killingedge's idea for a sponge, so that may overlap.
* Water/Ground Elephant, in reference to their mudbaths. Could be a bit tongue-in-cheek, with a mud-shaped pattern on its body that resembles a bikini. Could evolve into an elephant covered in mud which gives it the appearance of a woolly mammoth, with the dripping mud resembling long strands of hair.
* Water/Fighting dalmatian who is a fire-fighter, referencing their use at fire stations. Its ears could resemble a traditional Japanese fireman's hat.

Well, Memera/Lamburn is green-lighted for our Fire starter. I've actually designed a pretty awesome design for it, so I might sprite it tomorrow. The Grass type ape being Chinese would be pretty nifty. Maybe the hat could work, if we stylized it like they did for Murkrow.

I love your idea for the dalmation, though I don't think it'd work as a Fighting type, unless it stood on two legs. I also like your sponge and karakasa-obake ideas. I designed an umbrella demon myself once, though I never was satisfied with the design. I love the sponge idea most, though I'm wondering whether to have your's or KillingEdge's, or just make them part of the same family. Heh.

But what could fit for a Water/Flying starter, besides the obvious? This may be tricky.

magofest could be a name. maggot + feast, since maggots like to eat a lot of rotting food.

Water Pokemon? Well, for the Golduck/Swana pokemon, what about a Flamingo? I know it's not that original but I've never seen a sprite of a flamingo pokemon.

There is the box jelly fish that can have 2 stages.

A i have an idea for a magikarp/Feebass pokemon: It an ugly, urky colored swamp fish that evolves into a pokemon that resembled the Monster of the Black Lagoon.

Magofest is perfect! Thank you. Maggot and feast or fester, which means to rotten. I like the idea of having a flamingo. We could make the baby form pure white, and then the evolution is a bright pink. Anybody who knows a bit about flamingos knows why.

 

[KillingEdge]

To be totally honest, Korobooshi's sumo sponge strikes me as more of a household sponge than the sea sponge. Part of the reason I made my sponge only a part of the creature was to stick with the fact that sponges don't move on their own at all. (Except for certain types of sponge, but even then they barely move at that.) That was actually my entire reason for making it: To make a sponge work in Pokemon that holds true to real sponges.

Well, my Water/Fire pistol shrimp and Water/Grass amphibious sponge concepts are on the table for Water types.

And some possible names for the trash can.

Cannister (can + sinister)
Sinistacle (sinister + receptacle)
Garbin (garbage + bin)
Toxican (toxic + can, though TBH, this would be a cool name for a Poison/Flying toxic toucan...)

 

[^^Yoshinichi^^]

Alright guys, I figured to get us really rolling, I'd post the early-game list of Fakemon for our Fakedex. That being said, I'd like us to stick to designing Pokemon that fit these requirements for now, so we can get the early stuff out of the way. Designing can be anything to a physical description to a quick sketch, to a sprite. This is meant to concentrate our efforts so we don't branch out too much too soon. If anybody has any other early-game Pokemon ideas, such as a Dark or Fire type, feel free to design that instead. We're just trying to get some of the early Dex Pokemon out of the way.

Project Phoenix Pokedex
650 Lowlunk/Hakozaru Grass
651 Barbarape Grass/Fighting
652 Berzerkong Grass/Fighting
653 Lamburn/Memera Fire
654 ??? Fire/Dark
655 ??? Fire/Dark
656 ??? Water
657 ??? Water
658 ??? Water
659 Magofest/Fukyoeki Bug
660 ??? Bug
661 ??? Bug/Flying
662 ??? Bug
663 ??? Bug
664 ??? Bug/???
665 ??? Normal
666 ??? Normal
667 ??? Normal/Flying
668 ??? Normal/Flying
669 ??? Normal/Flying
670 ??? Electric
671 ??? Electric
672 Common rock Rock/Ground
673 Common rock Rock/Ground
674 Common rock Rock/Ground
675 Bat ???/Flying
676 Bat ???/Flying
677 main psychic Psychic
678 main psychic Psychic
679 main psychic Psychic
680 main fighting Fighting
681 main fighting Fighting
682 main fighting Fighting

Cannister sounds awesome, by the way! I'm currently respriting the bugger to make him look bigger and more three-dimensional.

 

[Innocent Bystander]

I've come up with a design for one of the sewer fakemon, I'll try and put up a sprite soon.

 

[FourthBeat]

I found it a little tough to make the cone hat work out, so I went with this thing that sort of looks like a beanie or a toque... With grass on top, since it didn't really look Grass-type aside from being green. I was thinking maybe it could be the Grass Hat Pokemon (lol asshat?). When it evolves, it could hit that cool, badass teenager stage that the starters get attitude, like Charmeleon and Combusken and Grovyle and Wotter's evolution... And it could have like a backwards baseball cap, with either grass hair sticking out the front, or a leaf as the brim. And the final evolution could get the helmet. What are your thoughts on that?

Also, I definitely need help with the body section. The arms seem alright to me, but the legs are really awkward. I don't know how to really sprite that pose without it looking really crunched up and messy...

Anyhow, Cannister is a really clever name, seems like we don't get those clever ones as much as we used to.

If we really wanted a Water/Flying starter, I think an Albatross is nifty. Especially if you take into account the "bad luck/good luck/omen" mythology to them. "Don't shoot the Albatross" and "I wore no Albatross around my neck". If you haven't read the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, you seriously need to.
I'll stop being a nerdy english major now, sorry

If we go with the beanie>baseballcap>helmet route for the gorilla starter, we could really focus in on America. Baseball caps are quintessentially American, and if we go with the punk idea, that works too. For water ... obesity? xDD That said, if we do that, I think it could be interesting to focus on the southern states as the region, and Mexico. Really, it'd be kind of interesting to start at like the tip of the Florida panhandle, make your way towards Texas, down through Mexico, and over to Cuba for the Elite 4 or something. Just a random brainwave. Don't mind me.

I also love the Sumosponge. Really neat concept. But aren't Hariyama/Makuhita based on Sumo? There are lots of martial art forms yet to be used. Just something to keep in mind.

EDIT: just noticed the markings on the back are too much like Darumakka/Hihidaruma. It just looked plain so I wanted to do something x3;
Thought: If we went with a Silverback Gorilla it would lend itself really nicely to the Steel type. Just sayin'.
Also, Barbarape has a bad word in it and should be rethought. Gorillawn? Grasilla? Gorileaf? Baseballcapape?

 

[^^Yoshinichi^^]

I've come up with a design for one of the sewer fakemon, I'll try and put up a sprite soon.

Could you describe it? I'm always antsy to hear what people have in store. xP You're a great spriter, IB.

I found it a little tough to make the cone hat work out, so I went with this thing that sort of looks like a beanie or a toque... With grass on top, since it didn't really look Grass-type aside from being green. I was thinking maybe it could be the Grass Hat Pokemon (lol asshat?). When it evolves, it could hit that cool, badass teenager stage that the starters get attitude, like Charmeleon and Combusken and Grovyle and Wotter's evolution... And it could have like a backwards baseball cap, with either grass hair sticking out the front, or a leaf as the brim. And the final evolution could get the helmet. What are your thoughts on that?

Also, I definitely need help with the body section. The arms seem alright to me, but the legs are really awkward. I don't know how to really sprite that pose without it looking really crunched up and messy...

Anyhow, Cannister is a really clever name, seems like we don't get those clever ones as much as we used to.

If we really wanted a Water/Flying starter, I think an Albatross is nifty. Especially if you take into account the "bad luck/good luck/omen" mythology to them. "Don't shoot the Albatross" and "I wore no Albatross around my neck". If you haven't read the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, you seriously need to.
I'll stop being a nerdy english major now, sorry

If we go with the beanie>baseballcap>helmet route for the gorilla starter, we could really focus in on America. Baseball caps are quintessentially American, and if we go with the punk idea, that works too. For water ... obesity? xDD That said, if we do that, I think it could be interesting to focus on the southern states as the region, and Mexico. Really, it'd be kind of interesting to start at like the tip of the Florida panhandle, make your way towards Texas, down through Mexico, and over to Cuba for the Elite 4 or something. Just a random brainwave. Don't mind me.

I also love the Sumosponge. Really neat concept. But aren't Hariyama/Makuhita based on Sumo? There are lots of martial art forms yet to be used. Just something to keep in mind.

EDIT: just noticed the markings on the back are too much like Darumakka/Hihidaruma. It just looked plain so I wanted to do something x3;
Thought: If we went with a Silverback Gorilla it would lend itself really nicely to the Steel type. Just sayin'.
Also, Barbarape has a bad word in it and should be rethought. Gorillawn? Grasilla? Gorileaf? Baseballcapape?

I think the grass gorilla looks perfect! I like the direction you're going with it and I think the sprite looks fine, myself. I wouldn't worry too much about the legs, as they look normal to me. I like the idea of the monkeys sort of lending themselves to an American feel, though I could see it being a Chinese Pokemon, too.

I'm not sure if our region should have a specific basis. Your idea for basing it on the Southern states sounds cool, though. Just imagine putting the West Virginia New River Gorge Bridge in as part of the region. It could be like a long bike path with tons of trainers and sections of terrain where you could find wild Pokemon. Also, if we did a Southern region, maybe we could make a Bug/Grass Mexican Jumping Bean Pokemon.

Yup, we have sumo Pokemon already, but that doesn't mean we can't have another. I'm trying to think of other fighting styles at the moment for the sponge, but sumo would fit its bloated bulk.

Not sure about the Water starter at this point. I think we need to make it look pretty cute, though. Neither FourthBeat or I should design it. I'd like somebody else to step up to the plate. But first, we need to come up with a design. We don't need to go Water/Flying. Maybe it could be a Water type platypus? Nah, that's been done to death. Maybe some sort of plesiosaur that can walk on land.

 

[FourthBeat]

Offtopic: Don't you love when people steal your sprites? Eugh. I'm dealing with some dramaaaa over at PokeCharms. Yay. Ugh.

Mexican jumping bean sounds epic xD
But you're right, if we're taking on the Grass and Fire lines, someone else should step up for Water. Definitely need to decide the design before anyone jumps up to the plate though.

Water, in my opinion, is always the toughest category. If you don't do a reptile/amphibian, it seems too unrelated to water. If you do choose a reptile/amphibian, it seems too overdone. We need a good mix of something. We could always do like a lobster or something that "walks" in the water. We could really stretch the sponge idea into a starter if need be. The Gorilla would be pretty easy to change type to avoid two Fighting starters. Then again, there's no rule saying you can't have a starters sharing a secondary type!

(Little fanboy moment: you're totally right Yoshi, IB is ridic. Seriously, one of the top spriters I've come across.)