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Psychic Pokemon in D/P Rant...

Naetoru

#1 Naetoru Fan!
I see lots of people give absolutely REDICULOUS reasoning on why pokemon could/should be a psychic type. Namely, Hikozaru's possible second type after evolution, but also other pokemon that have been speculated such as a Peacock that would be Psychic/Flying.

The thought of a starter monkey to use psychic attacks is plain stupid. "Errr, MUNK3YS r sM4rtzorz so tey kan use kUnFooZION!!!".

Really, almost all real life animals that ARE considered smart HAVEN'T been used as Psychic pokemon. Why? IQ has NOTHING to do with the ability to use telekinesis or other forms paranormal actions with the use of the mind. Want proof? Albert Einstein is smart, with an IQ IIRC of over 300. Yet, he was never able to bend a spoon with his mind. Why? SMART =/= PSYCHIC.

What probably causes this misleading thought is that some Psychic pokemon ARE smart, namely Alakazam. LeafGreen's info - Its brain can outperform a supercomputer. Its IQ (intellegence quotient) is said to be around 5,000.

Looking on the internet, I looked for a list of intellegent animals and found this interesting.

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Besides humans, the ten most intelligent animals are: chimpanzees,
gorillas, orangutans, baboons, gibbons, monkeys (many species,
especially macaques), smaller toothed whales (especially killer whales
or Orcas), dolphins, elephants, and pigs
."
source: Wildly Weird Facts, hosted by rarespecies.org
http://www.rarespecies.org/kids/weird.htm

According a web log, a recent televsion program on the Travel Channel
ranked the 10 smartest animals (in order of increasing intelligence):
"squirrel, squid, raven, dog, pig, parrot, elephant, monkey, dolphin,
ape
"
source: iamtonyang.com cached by Google:
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cach...yang.com/index.php?month=0304+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Obviously, this second list differs from the first list because of the
way it lumps certain types of animals together (e.g., gorillas, chimps
and orangutans are all apes). Another reason, though, is that it's
difficult to compare intelligence across different species. Thus,
rankings are somewhat subjective.

"Q What are the 10 most intelligent animals?
A It's difficult to gauge intelligence because of all the factors
involved. While monkeys and apes exhibit the most humanlike
intelligence, studies of ravens and parrots reveal an aptitude for
problem solving and octopuses show an amazing capacity for
memorization. Biologists suggest that overall, mammals are the
smartest. Apes and monkeys are followed in intelligence by large
aquatic mammals like dolphins and whales that are capable of learning
symbolic communication. Cats and dogs match or surpass all animals
except for apes, some monkeys, and large aquatic mammals."
source: "The Readers Ask" hosted by csmonitor.com
http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/1997/11/05/feat/feat.2.html

Here are a couple articles that discuss animal intelligence:

"Animal intelligence: how brainy are they? Scientist are learning how
animals talk, think, and feel."
Karen De Seve; Science World, Nov 26, 2001
Available from findarticles.com:
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1590/6_58/80748082/p1/article.jhtml

"Do Animals Think?"
Clive Wynne; Psychology Today, Nov, 1999
Available from findarticles.com:
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1175/6_32/56883557/p1/article.jhtml

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Obviously, GameFreak isn't getting inspiration for Psychic types on looking at the smartest animals in the world. Well, let's look at the basis for all Psychic Pokemon creations. (Quoting parts of the GPD Forum's sticky.)
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Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam: ? (Abra looks slightly like a possom to me, and stromdusk suggests coyote). Abra is based on Edgar Cayce, the "Sleeping Prophet"; Kadabra is based on Uri Geller, the Israeli spoonbender; Alakazam's Japanese name is based on Houdini, but it the creature appears to be merely an exaggeration of Kadabra.
Slowpoke/Slowbro: Perhaps pygmy hippos!
Drowzee/Hypno: Tapir baku and hypnotist
Exeggcute/Exeggutor: Eggs and coconut tree
Staryu, Starmie: Starfish and sunstar
Mr. Mime: Mime
Jynx: Yuki-Onna/? (There was an argument on the old thread on whether or not she was based on ganguro or Yamanba. It starts here, goes on to page 9, skips a few pages, then there's a rebuttal here on page 13.)
Mewtwo: Cat-human, some think that it's a more developed embryo (see below)
Mew: Kitten/gerbil/embryo
Natu/Xatu: Based off Native American totem poles. (Xatu resembles the Thunderbird)
Espeon: Nekomata
Unown: Living alphabet letters
Wobbuffet: Full-sized punching bag? and Sanpei Hayashiya
Girafarig: Giraffe
Smoochum: Baby Jynx
Lugia: Gray heron (there's one that looks like Lugia on the cover of Across the Nightingale Floor)/dragon partner to the phoenix
Celebi: A forest fairy?
Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir: A tomboy, a ballerina, and a fairy tale princess/adult graceful woman dancer
Meditite/Medicham: Yogis
Spoink/Grumpig: Pigs (maybe somebody saw this website! XD), perhaps the biblical "neither cast ye your pearls before swine" (Matthew 7:6) was snuck in there as well
Lunatone: Moon
Solrock: Sun
Baltoy: Shakou/spinning top
Claydol: Shakou
Chimecho: One of those wind chimes that look like an upside-down cup with a tassel/paper hanging out of it (something like this, but different)
Wynaut: Small punching bag?
Beldum/Metang/Metagross: Sci-fi invader robots? Beldum, at least according to its name, may be based on a dumbbell; ◘Ins0mnIac◘ has pointed out that Metang looks like this thing from Gundam (what's it called?) and Metagross looks like a Tektite from one of the Zelda games
Latias/Latios: Dragons/jet planes?
Jirachi: Tanabata festival/genie (Jirachi has three green tanzaku on it)
Deoxys: Humanoid alien/mutated virus->DNA.... My brother thinks it looks like an orbital frame from Zone of the Enders.

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AH! So only Espeon (Which is somewhat a "Cat") and the Grumpig line (Pigs) actually have a real life ANIMAL counterpart which would be considered smart. (Mr. Mime has no "Animal" counterpart. Yes, Mimes are smarter than any animal, but technically it's a lifestyle/hobby/job/whatever. Same with Deoxys, but I wouldn't consider an alien an "animal")

So, what reasoning is left to make Hikozaru or any other animals, like a dolphin Water/Psychic type, etc.? NONE.

While I'm at this, I see lots of people just sticking dark as a secondary type to a lot of possible animal Pokemon incarnations. Don't. It doesn't make sense to stick the type Dark to a Pokemon because it looks scary or is black. That's just plain stupid.

EDIT: The purpose of this topic is - 1. Reasoning for a Pokemon to be a Psychic CANNOT be because it's smart. Almost each of the made Psychic Pokemon don't have a smart animal counterpart, so this reasoning is TRASH.
 
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AWP123

Thunder Trainer
Um so what they could have a psychic ape pokemon in this game and what makes me think it is psychic is the large eyes and facial reactions that it has. It dosent look dark at all and dark monkey would be dumb as would fighting its been done a fire/psychic would be a new type combo and they said they wanted new type combos so look for all the starters to have diffrent type combos than ever before
 

Naetoru

#1 Naetoru Fan!
I never stated that the possibility ISN'T there, it's just unlikely and sounds very dumb.

For example, of course, there's the possibility that Pocchama will gain a Bug secondary type, although it's inprobable. The same ties in here.

I don't see what you see in it's eyes that leads you to beleive that it's a psychic pokemon, none of the current psychic types have anything that would look like "Psychic Eyes". I do not know where this reasoning gains its basis.

EDIT: About facial reactions, where do you see it's facial reaction? It's a stale image and it reacts to nothing. All it does is look cute and look at the viewer's general direction, how is this a factor that leads you to beleive that it will gain a psychic secondary type?

Just FYI, a facial reaction is just what expression your face gives after it reacts to something. Ex: The facial reaction to seeing a cute monkey makes you smile, or something similar to this.
 
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Phillyboomerangs

Pinsir>Heracross
i like your post very interseting. i think we need a psychic dolphin. water/ psy

but yea they probly go by looks when picking types. they say that was his many psychic pokemon then they see what animal/thing would be a best fit. for it.
 

Naetoru

#1 Naetoru Fan!

DGCatAniSiri

Charmingly Cynical
WE need more Psychis!

'Need'? Let's look at that list again, shall we?

Abra
Kadabra
Alakazam
Slowpoke
Slowbro
Drowzee
Hypno
Exeggcute
Exeggutor
Staryu
Starmie
Mr. Mime
Jynx
Mewtwo
Mew
Natu
Xatu
Espeon
Unown
Wobbuffet
Girafarig
Smoochum
Lugia
Celebi
Ralts
Kirlia
Gardevoir
Meditite
Medicham
Spoink
Grumpig
Lunatone
Solrock
Baltoy
Claydol
Chimecho
Wynaut
Beldum
Metang
Metagross
Latias
Latios
Jirachi
Deoxys

That seems fairly long to me. I think it's fair to say Psychic's had a pretty big contribution to the 386 Pokemon in the previous games. Heck, about a half that list comes from the third generation. We're gonna get new Psychics, it's a given. But we don't NEED more psychics.
 

zoma44

sneasels & weaviles
'Need'? Let's look at that list again, shall we?



That seems fairly long to me. I think it's fair to say Psychic's had a pretty big contribution to the 386 Pokemon in the previous games. Heck, about a half that list comes from the third generation. We're gonna get new Psychics, it's a given. But we don't NEED more psychics.


(hes gotta point) but if we need anything its more dark & ghost pokemon and some better steel and bug attacks
 

snorlax

Banned
lol how this is the most intelligente thread in D/P forums and gets **** post lik mine
 

HoundoomTrainer

YOU GIVE ME MIGRAINE
Let's look at the list realistically:

Alakazam
Slowbro
Hypno
Exeggutor
Starmie
Mr. Mime
Jynx
Mewtwo
Mew
Xatu
Espeon
Unown
Wobbuffet
Girafarig
Lugia
Celebi
Gardevoir
Medicham
Grumpig
Lunatone
Solrock
Claydol
Chimecho
Metagross
Latias
Latios
Jirachi
Deoxys

I Never count pre-evos. >_>
 

DGCatAniSiri

Charmingly Cynical
I included the whole list because I was talking about all 386, though.

Either way, that's still a pretty big selection, and third generation Pokemon still have a larger number than the first two individually.
 

Wadeledge

Till all are One
People are sticking Hikozaru with a Psychic type because Fire/Psychic has not been done before. Personally I think it makes sense to have a Pyro, and seeing as the starter lines have been given unique attacks in the 3rd generation giving Hikozaru's evolution a fire manipulating attack to go with it's Psychic secondary type makes sense. It'd also be nice to have a fire type pokemon with high Special Attack for once instead of Attack...
 

Naetoru

#1 Naetoru Fan!
People are sticking Hikozaru with a Psychic type because Fire/Psychic has not been done before. Personally I think it makes sense to have a Pyro, and seeing as the starter lines have been given unique attacks in the 3rd generation giving Hikozaru's evolution a fire manipulating attack to go with it's Psychic secondary type makes sense. It'd also be nice to have a fire type pokemon with high Special Attack for once instead of Attack...

I agree that it could work well, making it a Sp. Sweeper, and I have no problem with people suggesting Hikozaru eventually being a Fire/Psychic, that's just their opinion, which I happen to not like. However, I still accept their opinion and likes, while keeping mine to myself.

What I do have a problem with is people who base that its Psychic because its looks (All I see is an orange monkey with a flame tail look cute. I see no "Psychic" indication) or because monkeys are smart animals. This is what burns me up, because it doesn't matter if an animal is smart or not, because obviously only 2 smart animals have been used, among all the other Psychics made, and it just doesn't make sense to say that it would be Psychic because it's smart.

However, your reasoning for why it may be Fire/Psychic is TOTALLY FINE. Why? Because all you said is that it hasn't been done before. What seperates this from other theories is this: YOURS IS UNDENIABLE FACT. Although it may not be as in-depth of a reason, it WORKS, unlike most of the others.
 
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Sombrero

Monkey Master
I hope Hikozaru will get the Psychic-type. This little thing on his head will become a turban and he will become a Monkey-fakir. Would be cool
 

Markisious

Colourise the World
I don't think they will give psychic type to a starter.Probably as far we can see they always give to them as a 2nd type a attack type so don't ecxecpt(spelling) S.attacks type.
 

Naetoru

#1 Naetoru Fan!
I don't think they will give psychic type to a starter.Probably as far we can see they always give to them as a 2nd type a attack type so don't ecxecpt(spelling) S.attacks type.

I never noticed that! I see now.

Venusaur - Grass (SP), Poison (AT)
Charizard - Fire (SP), Flying (AT)
Blastoise - Water (SP)
Meganium - Grass (SP)
Typhlosion - Fire (SP)
Feraligatr - Water (SP)
Sceptile - Grass (SP)
Blaziken - Fire (SP), Fighting (AT)
Swampert - Water (SP), Ground (AT)

All the secondary types ever given used the Attack Stat! Although this theory will fail to be effective, because attack types will no longer matter on what stat an attack may gain power from. Such as Thunderpunch, an Electric attack, previously a Sp. Attack, will now become an Attack move.
 

Feriowind

Beginning Trainer
Yay, logic!

I don't care that much about Hikozaru having psychic as a secondary type. I mean, it'd be pretty cool, but it doesn't have to.
 

metalx42

dp trainer
your forgetting the fact people from all around the world will verse eachother the starter is the strongest and if the odds are uneven that would be unfare so theyll even it why would they mention the psy fight dark combo without reason
 
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