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Racial Profiling and Police Brutality

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by Silver Soul, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. LDSman

    LDSman Banned

    You keep using the word "illegal." The chokehold was not illegal. It was not against the law. It was against department policy. There is a difference.

    And a homicide ruling only means that his death was caused by another person. Not that it was a murder.

    Self defense cases are ruled homicides because the person defending themselves caused the death of the subject. They aren't prosecuted as murders. Suicide, accidental, homicide, natural and unknown are the 5 standard rulings.

    The officer still faces punishment from his department and if the family sues him, he will probably lose.

    Edit: I was surprised. I thought that they would go for manslaughter in the second. Call the chokehold reckless or something. I hope to see more information on why this wasn't set to trial when it really should have been.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/...cop-who-used-chokehold-in-eric-garners-death/
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2014
  2. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Choking someone to death is probably the most intent to kill death there is, because you have to keep choking until the person is dead as a conscious choice. That and if choking is against the police rules, then he should be held accountable by the law, because the police shouldn't be able to protect him if he doesn't follow the blatantly obvious rule.

    Them inditing the guy filming the murder is almost hilarious because of how fucked up it is.


    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...dge-never-allowed-recording-as-evidence.shtml

    Also according to the courts now cop testimony is better than video evidence anyway.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2014
  3. LDSman

    LDSman Banned

    Watch the video. It's in the link SS provided. At the 1 minute mark you can clearly see that the officer who had Garner in the chokehold no longer has him in the hold. He was not choked until he was dead.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...d-homicide-medical-examiner-article-1.1888808
    His bad health didn't help matters.
    Link?


    What does this have to do with Garner?
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2014
  4. Silver Soul

    Silver Soul Well-Known Member

    An illegal chokehold is still illegal. Of course the cop didn't even get indicted by the Grand Jury because it's Staten Island. You can talk about progressive NYC but Staten Island is a different story.
     
  5. Craig T

    Craig T Banned

    There was no need to put Garner in a choke hold period. Excessive force was unsurprisingly used again by the police, and the same system supporting the police decides he hasn't done anything wrong. Not shocking at all.
     
  6. The Admiral

    The Admiral solid state survivor

    Apparently De Blasio said that he's going to see to it that cops wear body cameras.

    Which sounds great, but didn't Darrien Hunt's murderer have a body camera that he turned off?
     
  7. LDSman

    LDSman Banned

    Asked and answered way back on the 21st.

    http://www.good4utah.com/story/d/st...death-of-darrien/16998/fvRTnHKl7kmSQjPVq_eDsg

    New equipment being tested. Poor battery life meant the officers would turn them off when not using them and since it was new equipment, weren't in the habit of turning it on all the time. Plus there is information that would indicate a suicidal person.

    Edit:

    New information on the officer who shot Rice.

    http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_officer_who_s.html#incart_m-rpt-1

    Why was this officer a cop? Emotional problems and a gun don't mix! Did he somehow make a radical change from his Independence days?

    Yes I do change my mind if presented with proper evidence. Rice is looking more like police incompetence.

    Edit: Back to Brown

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/12/211...ntent=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Ferguson

    Check out the second image. The correction to the PBS chart.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2014
  8. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

  9. LDSman

    LDSman Banned

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/03/actual-facts-Eric-Garner

    The media refers to what happened to Garner as a "chokehold." It was not a chokehold. It was a submission hold.

    This was an interesting video on submission techniques taught to police.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nql1xRtWKOU

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...l-oreilly-pulls-out-some-damaging-statistics/

    Every shooting is different. Were the suspects armed? What was happening? Etc.
     
  10. TheFightingPikachu

    TheFightingPikachu Smashing!

    Cool. Someone wants a source for the claim that the prosecutor profited off of T-shirts? A source is presented by someone else saying this is an urban legend. You change the subject and indicate that much of what you've said is common knowledge, citing Youtube and Crooks and Liars.

    You say the Grand Jury didn't have any business listening to Darren Wilson. This author disagrees:


    For crying out loud, even this guy who gives a rather harsh position slips up and says that the decision to let Wilson testify is "practically unheard of".

    Also compare this New York Times page. (If there's not much there, try refreshing the page.) It has a chart that indicates that it is not typical for the prosecutor to allow the accused to testify. If a source like the New York Times knew of some law that said the prosecutor was not allowed to let him testify, they would certainly have mentioned that.


    That NYT article also mentions some of the different places Brown's blood was found, including on Officer Wilson's gun and clothing, and on the ground 25 feet from where Brown's body ended up.


    But surely these points I raise are just "debating style" because I'm not privy to all the facts!
     
  11. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Remember that time Bill O'Reily told a black professor he looked like a pimp? Or how he doesn't believe it's harder for a black man to succeed in America? He's the last person I want talking about race issues.
     
  12. Sheepy Lamby

    Sheepy Lamby Well-Known Member

    O'Really is a bad example of what right-wingers love.
    He is as pathetic as all those left-wing political commentators.... however, he is right about this:
    http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2014/12/02/bill-oreilly-what-ferguson-protesters-accomplished/
     
  13. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Yes, Fox News, the place that tells white people "The poors and minorities are out to get you!" is the place to get reasonable race discussion.
     
  14. The Admiral

    The Admiral solid state survivor

    From what I'm told, at least, O'Reilly recognizes that what happened to Garner was messed-up.

    Then again, that may just be because there is actual footage of him being strangled to death that we know 100% is, indeed, Eric Garner being strangled to death.
     
  15. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Well even Nancy Grace had some words to say. Then again she was a prosecutor herself, so the lack of professionalism might have offended her.
     
  16. Silver Soul

    Silver Soul Well-Known Member

    Holy S***! Federal investigations report that Cleveland PD have patterns of systematic brutality in regards to inadequate training and just plain incompetence. We are giving militarized equipment to THESE people?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/04/cleveland-police-doj_n_6270220.html

    So, the NYPD's union called the officer who choked Eric Garner an Eagle Scout despite violating NYPD's own rule. You know, the same "Eagle Scout" who falsely arrested and strip searched two years ago! So yeah, not helping your case.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/chokehold-accused-improper-strip-search-article-1.1878104

    Also St. Louis PD had made quite insensitive remarks about Tamir Rice's death in regards to "Kids with be kids". So basically... It's the kid's fault and not the unfit guy who shot him in 2 seconds.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/st-louis-officer-explains-kids-will-be-kids-post-about-tamir-rice/
     
  17. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Well with military equipment America already spends way too much money in that regard, Police just get the surplus a lot of the time. Granted, that's a whole different issue.
     
  18. VIA

    VIA <<< Recent Shiny

    My opinion on Michael Brown and Darren Wilson is this..


    A while ago a cop told me a story about how a friend saw a girl who was on probation going into a London Drugs. She was not aloud in there. He decided to arrest her. In response she pulled a dirt needle on him and waved it as him as a threat. They got her to put it away and she ran when a cop tackled her later she stabbed him with a blade. You know what they didnt do? Shot her or put her in a choke hold they managed to subdue her without the use of excessive force. While this girl was probably 130 pounds she actually had weapons unlike the latter. Michael Brown shouldve not been shot after the fourth bullet( which he wouldve survived) and Eric Garner didnt do squat. There are other ways to subdue him. If they had used a taser and he had still died due to health issues I dont think this would get the attention it did but because he was put in a choke hold and the officer made the choice to choke him he shouldve atleast been charged with manslaughter.
     
  19. Sheepy Lamby

    Sheepy Lamby Well-Known Member

    CBS, ABC, CNN and MSNBC are not exactly an example of non-biased media
    More news related to "race relations" in Missouri
    http://fox2now.com/2014/12/05/attack-of-bosnian-woman-being-investigated-as-hate-crime/
    I guess those news are not spread nationwide to don't upset "pacific protesters".
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2014
  20. SILVER XD

    SILVER XD Momentai, bro.

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