Racist used too often?

[CSolarstorm]

I'm not, but I am saying comparing a Socialist to a Socialist is a fair arguement...

Then allow me to compare a Socialist to a Socialist, and see if you consider it a fair argument. The actual Socialist party of the U.S.A didn't like Obama one bit. They said his ideas are shamelessly capitalistic and he doesn't represent their party at all.

Although I think it's useless to defend my earlier post since you refute the details of my argument out of context, and when I explain them you tell me they're off topic.

The irony here, is that Hitler...was a racist. THE racist of all time practically. The ultimate bigot in the idea that he hated more kinds of humans that he didn't. Jews, gypsies, gays, the handicapped, anyone of color...his goal was to cleanse the world and fill it with Germans.

Obama is like, the opposite. Whoever is convinced that he is a inverse Hitler, that he will kill all white people and create an empire from Mexicans, gays, and the third world, at least it would be a small genocide.

But so far, I have seen that his specialty is making friends and being diplomatic...while this may not help the economy, at least it differentiates him from Hitler.

 

[GhostAnime]

He won about 90% of the black vote, theirs your proof.

Which closely compares to how many blacks already vote democrat. Your point is null.

Racism against minorities nowadays is virtually nonexistent.

That's because it's hidden. It's no longer outspoken, but hidden. It's still pretty much a problem that nobody can really do about at this time, though.

 

[Ancient Chaos]

But so far, I have seen that his specialty is making friends and being diplomatic...while this may not help the economy, at least it differentiates him from Hitler.

Is it really worth making friends if you alienate those you're supposed to represent in doing so? (Giving a country that is still met with passive-aggressiveness by most of your country access to your nuclear sites...)

 

[denizenofevil]

People who use the race card are just pathetic and lazy. They look for any excuse to say it wasn't their fault. I get called racist all the time because I didn't vote for Obama. Then we have these idiots named Al Sharpton and what's his name coming out like vultures every time there is a white on black crime, exaggerating things and making it seem like the only time a black person is killed is when a white person does it. I'm Asian and sometimes, I see other Asian people I know pull the race card. No...just no... it's stupid. I, for one have never used it and never will. I have never experienced racism. I've never seen it and I've never heard of it. Heck, I didn't know there were different races until they taught me in 5th grade. I didn't even realize I was Asian. By the way, those people crying racist nowadays should not be. Are they denied equal opportunities? Nope. They have the exact same rights as the rest of us. People of white skin, did you personally own a slave? People of black skin, were you personally a slave? The answer should be no, so we all need to get over it!

 

[CSolarstorm]

Is it really worth making friends if you alienate those you're supposed to represent in doing so? (Giving a country that is still met with passive-aggressiveness by most of your country access to your nuclear sites...)

It at least differentiates him from Hitler.

I wasn't saying that it was good from him to make friends and that wasn't even my point. This love-hate obsession the population has over Obama is crazy.

That's because it's hidden. It's no longer outspoken, but hidden. It's still pretty much a problem that nobody can really do about at this time, though.

^ I agree with this. Just because it's against the law/frowned upon in society to express racism, doesn't mean people have changed their opinions in the privacy of the voting booth.

 

[Kyogre35]

Then allow me to compare a Socialist to a Socialist, and see if you consider it a fair argument. The actual Socialist party of the U.S.A didn't like Obama one bit. They said his ideas are shamelessly capitalistic and he doesn't represent their party at all.

The Socialist party of America is farther left than Obama, I do give Obama credit, he is trying to stay a moderate. BUT again some of his policies are Socialist...like taxing the rich. That's spreading the wealth.

Although I think it's useless to defend my earlier post since you refute the details of my argument out of context, and when I explain them you tell me they're off topic.

If your refering to my first line of text, then you read it wrong.

I meant, the media/important people in America shouldn't even be saying that there is opposition to Obama because he is black. I know there are racists out there, but it is not a fair arguement to argue with a wide brush.

The irony here, is that Hitler...was a racist. THE racist of all time practically. The ultimate bigot in the idea that he hated more kinds of humans that he didn't. Jews, gypsies, gays, the handicapped, anyone of color...his goal was to cleanse the world and fill it with Germans.

I didn't say Obama was racist, I just said his policies compare to the Nazi policies...but no killing.

As I think we both see, we are not comparing Obama to Hitler in terms of the holocaust, so this is going no where.

Obama is like, the opposite. Whoever is convinced that he is a inverse Hitler, that he will kill all white people and create an empire from Mexicans, gays, and the third world, at least it would be a small genocide.

Are you implying that I am?

Because that is far from the truth. It has never even crossed my mind that Obama will kill all the whites....blah, blah...and create a country for the remaining.

In fact I havn't even said Obama was a racist...so I have no clue what you are talking about.

But so far, I have seen that his specialty is making friends and being diplomatic...while this may not help the economy, at least it differentiates him from Hitler.

I don't see how he is improving our diplomatic postion. Many President's consider him a light weight. As you have seen with how they handle him.

 

[Ri-Chan]

Hmm. Racism, or people being racist. Thats the real question.

Our world as a whole is not racist, but racist persons have been appearing in alot of Multi-Media. First off, I have a dad in my family who is racist, so I have experienced it firsthand.

 

[CSolarstorm]

The Socialist party of America is farther left than Obama, I do give Obama credit, he is trying to stay a moderate. BUT again some of his policies are Socialist...like taxing the rich. That's spreading the wealth.

I meant, the media/important people in America shouldn't even be saying that there is opposition to Obama because he is black. I know there are racists out there, but it is not a fair arguement to argue with a wide brush.

But there IS opposition to Obama because he's black. Common opposition! It's not just a handful of crazies. I've seen it myself, I'm not just spouting talking points. During the election several nurses taking care of my mother were convinced that's he was working for Osama Bin Laden. Where did they get that idea? Could they possibly think a white president would be a secret agent for Osama Bin Laden, when there ARE in fact white people in Al Qaeda?

Maybe it was because they were told by SOMEONE in a soundbyte deliberately meant to be taken out of context "he pals around with terrorists" and, "he's not like us". Next thing you know, people are calling him a secret Muslim. And then they're calling him the Antichrist. Again - not just in the news - I've heard someone straight out wondering if Obama is the Antichrist. And then people are calling him a socialist. Then Rush Limbaugh's adding fuel to the fire saying Obama's presidency is Facist, without adding afterwards that our presidency has been Facist for decades already. We just got through with convicting Bush of setting up a police state, wiretapping, and holding people captive indefinately without a trial. Obama has not discontinued any of that. Spooooky.

If Limbaugh is likening out government to fascist Germany then there's a specific reason he chose Nazi Germany. Did he choose it because it was the best example of a recession caused by overspending? I doubt it. He chose to do that because he wants his viewers to associate Obama with Nazi Germany. I mean, the media has already called the guy everything but the devil himself, why not throw Hitler in there?

Coming back to my original point, yes, there IS racist opposition towards Obama. I did not call you a racist in my last post. I was very careful not to do that. You aren't. At least you have concrete reason to not like Obama rather than just picking from the generous selection of incriminating words and throwing them at him. I like hearing real conservative voices, logical ones, not the mass marketed one that's sabotaged right now to hit below the belt.

 

[Kyogre35]

But there IS opposition to Obama because he's black. Common opposition! It's not just a handful of crazies. I've seen it myself, I'm not just spouting talking points. During the election several nurses taking care of my mother were convinced that's he was working for Osama Bin Laden. Where did they get that idea? Could they possibly think a white president would be a secret agent for Osama Bin Laden, when there ARE in fact white people in Al Qaeda?

This is true, there are more people uninformed and saying crazy ideas about who Barack Obama is than about any other president, well except Bush.

But then there were those people during the Campaign you blindly voted fo Obama because he was black. No other reason. So they are racist, in a way, too.

Maybe it was because they were told by SOMEONE in a soundbyte deliberately meant to be taken out of context "he pals around with terrorists"

Bill Ayers was a terroist, he bombed the Pentagon, Barack held his first campaign party at his house, he sat on a board with him, the list of associations goes on and on.

It is a fact he did hang around with suspicious people.

and, "he's not like us".

How was that statement used? When I heard that Rush was talking about he is a Socialist, and we are Capitalist's.

Next thing you know, people are calling him a secret Muslim. And then they're calling him the Antichrist. Again - not just in the news - I've heard someone straight out wondering if Obama is the Antichrist.

And I've heard that he is the savior and he has been the best president in history so far.

We all do it, selectivaly here what we want to hear so we can argue against it.

And then people are calling him a socialist.

OMG SOCIALIST!!! EVERYONE, PEOPLE ARE CALLING HIM A SOCIALIST!!

So what? He is. Just because people don't want him labeled as one doesn't mean he isn't.

Then Rush Limbaugh's adding fuel to the fire saying Obama's presidency is Facist, without adding afterwards that our presidency has been Facist for decades already. We just got through with convicting Bush of setting up a police state, wiretapping, and holding people captive indefinately without a trial. Obama has not discontinued any of that. Spooooky.

Don't you think there is a problem when the Presidency is a Facist outfit?

If Limbaugh is likening out government to fascist Germany then there's a specific reason he chose Nazi Germany.

Yeah, because it is the most recognized Socialist state in the world's history...but that doesn't matter at all.

Did he choose it because it was the best example of a recession caused by overspending? I doubt it. He chose to do that because he wants his viewers to associate Obama with Nazi Germany.

Yeah, Nazi Germany's POLICIES!

You can't seem to grasp that, Rush even told his listeners that he was reffering to Germany's policies...not the genocidial lunitics.

I mean, the media has already called the guy everything but the devil himself, why not throw Hitler in there?

That wasn't biased at all. [/sarcasm]

And have you heard what NBC has said about Barack, and all the hate pointed at Bush?

Coming back to my original point, yes, there IS racist opposition towards Obama. I did not call you a racist in my last post. I was very careful not to do that. You aren't. At least you have concrete reason to not like Obama rather than just picking from the generous selection of incriminating words and throwing them at him. I like hearing real conservative voices, logical ones, not the mass marketed one that's sabotaged right now to hit below the belt.

Thank you for that, I don't try to blindly follow Rush or Hannity, but I do find they have useful facts that can prove to be used in debates.

I'm not calling you a Socialist, just some of Obama's policies.

 

[CSolarstorm]

Don't you think there is a problem when the Presidency is a Facist outfit?

Of course I do. But then, Obama is not the problem. It's the office. The He is merely the guard of the real problem. If Obama is replaced, will that change? It'll just be a case of, "Out with the old boss, in with the new boss" and we'll start slinging mud against that president without ever really changing the president's power to 1) invade any country, 2) hear any phone call, 3) revive any failing corporation with taxpayer money, 4) or suddenly jail anyone without giving them a reason or trial.

Yeah, Nazi Germany's POLICIES!

That wasn't biased at all. [/sarcasm]

Yeah, because it is the most recognized Socialist state in the world's history...but that doesn't matter at all.

You can't seem to grasp that, Rush even told his listeners that he was reffering to Germany's policies...not the genocidial lunitics.

What about...Russia? China? Britain? Sweden? Maybe it would be better to compare it to a modern day socialist country that hasn't been extinct for sixty years? How can Rush compare a government to Nazi Germany reasonably and not count the genocide of minorities? I think that was the pivotal Nazi "policy".

And have you heard what NBC has said about Barack, and all the hate pointed at Bush?

Near the end of Bush's eight years of being a president and going through two major wars and a recession, I have heard Keith Olbermann tell Bush to shut up. Once. And, Colbert called McCain Satan the day before the election.

And praise of Obama isn't a form of hate against Bush.

Meanwhile before he is even elected, and during the first year of his presidency, the conservative media and pundritry tells me, 1) He's actually Muslim, 2) He's a socialist, 3) He's fascist (Limbaugh), 4) He is comparable to chewable tobacco, (Beck) 5) He has a deep seated hatred for white people. 6) He's going to kill your grandparents and the disabled (Several).

About triple what MSNBC has leveled at Bush, way to soon, too hard, too insane. Which is sad, because I do indeed want to hear a conservative voice that plays fair! I don't like Obama either.

Anyway...if you want I'll fold from this mini-debate on whether the media is racist toward Obama or not, I started it after all. It's not even on topic. Sorry >_>

 

[Kyogre35]

Of course I do. But then, Obama is not the problem. It's the office. The He is merely the guard of the real problem. If Obama is replaced, will that change? It'll just be a case of, "Out with the old boss, in with the new boss" and we'll start slinging mud against that president without ever really changing the president's power to 1) invade any country, 2) hear any phone call, 3) revive any failing corporation with taxpayer money, 4) or suddenly jail anyone without giving them a reason or trial.

Most of your example's were needed when we were attacked by terroists. I'm sorry if you feel, "intruded" on with some of those measures, but they were necessary. And they still are due to the threat of Al Queda looming.

After a while, laws will be passed.

What about...Russia? China? Britain? Sweden? Maybe it would be better to compare it to a modern day socialist country that hasn't been extinct for sixty years? How can Rush compare a government to Nazi Germany reasonably and not count the genocide of minorities? I think that was the pivotal Nazi "policy".

I'm sorry if this is a suprise to you...but some people don't even know where those countries are on a map. Now do you think they would know there government's policies? Heck no. But everyone knows that Nazi Germany was Socialist, hence, Rush using it.

Near the end of Bush's eight years of being a president and going through two major wars and a recession, I have heard Keith Olbermann tell Bush to shut up. Once. And, Colbert called McCain Satan the day before the election.

Bull, bull, bull.

Then you wern't listening close enough, they spewed hate like it was a daily meal. About as much as you said Conservatives said.

And praise of Obama isn't a form of hate against Bush.

Never said that.

1) He's actually Muslim

You're thinking of the callers, I do not recall one time in which a radio talk show host called Obama a muslim.

2) He's a socialist

OMG, RUSH CALLED HIM A SOCIALIST!!!1111!!

Seriously, it's true, some of his policies are socialist, so what would that make him?

3) He's fascist (Limbaugh)

You already said the presidency was a facist state, so he would be a facist then.

4) He is comparable to chewable tobacco, (Beck)

Did you listen to what context he was saying it in? Because 99% of the time these things are taken out of context.

5) He has a deep seated hatred for white people

Again Quote, or it never happened.

6) He's going to kill your grandparents and the disabled (Several).

Which was a fact, the Public option would kill off senior citizens and the disabled due to rationing.

About triple what MSNBC has leveled at Bush, way to soon, too hard, too insane. Which is sad, because I do indeed want to hear a conservative voice that plays fair! I don't like Obama either.

Insane is what comes from MSNBC, now I know that the Conservative media is a little biased, but have you listened to MSNBC? They spew so much hate it's almost a sin to call them a news outfit.

Anyway...if you want I'll fold from this mini-debate on whether the media is racist toward Obama or not, I started it after all. It's not even on topic. Sorry >_>

This is technically still on topic...but if you say so.

 

[Ri-Chan]

What proof do you have that the world is racist against Obama? So what, he's our first black president, he is worship by anyone between the ages of 10-45. Really, I do see how some people are, but our world? If our world is racist against him, how the f**k is he our president?

 

[CSolarstorm]

Most of your example's were needed when we were attacked by terroists. I'm sorry if you feel, "intruded" on with some of those measures, but they were necessary. And they still are due to the threat of Al Queda looming.

After a while, laws will be passed.

I am just a tad confused about your perspective now. You just called the office of the Presidency a Facist outfit, and then defended all of the powers that essentially make it a facist outfit.

I'm sorry if this is a suprise to you...but some people don't even know where those countries are on a map. Now do you think they would know there government's policies? Heck no. But everyone knows that Nazi Germany was Socialist, hence, Rush using it.

It is sadly not a surprise to me. It is a dissapointment.

So basically, Rush is using a 60-year extinct genocidal empire as an example because he is too afraid his viewers are too ignorant and uneducated to know of a real-life modern example? Doesn't that offend you a little bit?

Personally, I think whoever can't point to Britain or Russia on a map needs to go back to school before they try getting into politics.

Bull, bull, bull.

Then you wern't listening close enough, they spewed hate like it was a daily meal. About as much as you said Conservatives said.

Well then, stop pressing the point and give me some examples of MSNBC's daily hate against Bush, and please link/quote them and explain their context.

You're thinking of the callers, I do not recall one time in which a radio talk show host called Obama a muslim.

Okay, I'll give you that. My only argument here would be the association with Bill Ayers, and calling him racist (see Rush citation above), and - the color of his skin being comparable to someone from the Middle East - did have the effect of making viewers believe he was secret Muslim.

Especially viewers who can't point to Britain or Russia on a map.

OMG, RUSH CALLED HIM A SOCIALIST!!!1111!!

Seriously, it's true, some of his policies are socialist, so what would that make him?

A modern Democratic Socialist...somewhat like people in Britain, Russia, Sweden...etc. Totally not "Nazi".

You already said the presidency was a facist state, so he would be a facist then.

And so would Bush, Clinton, Bush 1st, Reagan, the last few presidents...but why is Limbaugh going for Obama directly? Did he speak out against the Republicans that held the same office before him?

Did you listen to what context he was saying it in? Because 99% of the time these things are taken out of context.

Okay, Beck said this on a particular segment where he was exposing Obama's lobbyist (when he said he wouldn't have any lobbyists) Valerie Jarett.

This was a nice, educating segment, very in depth on Obama's administration, more in depth than MSNBC gets. Except, it would be more respectable, had not Beck held a tin of Copenhagen (because Obama had flown to Copenhagen to appeal to the Olympic Commitee) the entire time, and then at the end of his show held the chewable tobacco up and said, "It may give you a buzz, but the label on the back says..." and then he slaps a sticker up on his board next to Michelle Obama's face saying, "Contents may cause cancer."

Was it necessary?

Again Quote, or it never happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html

Which was a fact, the Public option would kill off senior citizens and the disabled due to rationing.

I will give you this one, too.

Insane is what comes from MSNBC, now I know that the Conservative media is a little biased, but have you listened to MSNBC? They spew so much hate it's almost a sin to call them a news outfit.

A little biased? If you discredit MSNBC then Fox, and Limbaugh, at least, goes down with the ship. As equally partisan and mudslinging. No prisoners. Or give me a few examples of why the conservative media is more impartial than MSNBC.

This is technically still on topic...but if you say so.

Well if you think it's on topic, then I'd be glad to continue.

What proof do you have that the world is racist against Obama? So what, he's our first black president, he is worship by anyone between the ages of 10-45. Really, I do see how some people are, but our world? If our world is racist against him, how the f**k is he our president?

If this was directed at me, I never said our world is racist against Obama. I am talking about a portion of the media that spreads racism into the population to get votes. What are you talking about?

 

[Ri-Chan]

Nevermind, I was stating that In a general way, just asking anyone to prove how the media targets Obama in a racist way.

 

[Kyogre35]

I am just a tad confused about your perspective now. You just called the office of the Presidency a Facist outfit, and then defended all of the powers that essentially make it a facist outfit.

Some measures were needed to be passed to make the power of the President higher, I said at the end of my statement laws in the future will hopefully be passed to make it less of a Facist state, sorry if that confused you.

It is sadly not a surprise to me. It is a dissapointment.

So basically, Rush is using a 60-year extinct genocidal empire as an example because he is too afraid his viewers are too ignorant and uneducated to know of a real-life modern example? Doesn't that offend you a little bit?

Personally, I think whoever can't point to Britain or Russia on a map needs to go back to school before they try getting into politics.

Well it's not just some Conservatives that are that mentally challenged, there everywhere...and some of them voted for Barack Obama.

So he used Nazi Germany, which I admit wasn't the best analogee, but he did state after his comparison that it was only based on policies.

Well then, stop pressing the point and give me some examples of MSNBC's daily hate against Bush, and please link/quote them and explain their context.

It's not daily anymore, it was during the Bush Administration.

I'll get back to you on that, it's 6:22 AM here and I only have about 8 minutes left online.

Okay, I'll give you that. My only argument here would be the association with Bill Ayers, and calling him racist (see Rush citation above), and - the color of his skin being comparable to someone from the Middle East - did have the effect of making viewers believe he was secret Muslim.

Especially viewers who can't point to Britain or Russia on a map.

True, Rush is the very extreme of conservatives so some things he says I don't find particulary right, and that is one of them.

There is no need to be comparing Barack to a Muslim.

A modern Democratic Socialist...somewhat like people in Britain, Russia, Sweden...etc. Totally not "Nazi".

Your still thinking about the acts Nazi Germany commited, yes they arn't similar comparing those, but in the policies they've passed, they are more identical than you think.

And so would Bush, Clinton, Bush 1st, Reagan, the last few presidents...but why is Limbaugh going for Obama directly? Did he speak out against the Republicans that held the same office before him?

Actually yes, he didn't like Bush when he was in office, and especially during the last part of his 2cd term.

So he does dish out the punishment to everyone, but Liberals Usually more than Republicans.

Okay, Beck said this on a particular segment where he was exposing Obama's lobbyist (when he said he wouldn't have any lobbyists) Valerie Jarett.

Context is always key.

This was a nice, educating segment, very in depth on Obama's administration, more in depth than MSNBC gets. Except, it would be more respectable, had not Beck held a tin of Copenhagen (because Obama had flown to Copenhagen to appeal to the Olympic Commitee) the entire time, and then at the end of his show held the chewable tobacco up and said, "It may give you a buzz, but the label on the back says..." and then he slaps a sticker up on his board next to Michelle Obama's face saying, "Contents may cause cancer."

Was it necessary?

You do realize that Beck is also a comdian? So this was his comedian side appealing to the audience.

No, some of the things he does is not appropiate, but again some of the newspapers and NBC don't do things appropiate to.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html

And then at the end of his statement it says.

"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."​

​

So, he refined his statement...it's still a far stretching idea, but it has some merit.

A little biased? If you discredit MSNBC then Fox, and Limbaugh, at least, goes down with the ship. As equally partisan and mudslinging. No prisoners. Or give me a few examples of why the conservative media is more impartial than MSNBC.

Fox, contrary to popular belief, is not a Right Wing Media outlet. There hardcore news shows are not biased, and have you ever caught Bill O' Reilly's show? I watch it the most because he is not biased, he even pisses me off sometimes in things he says.

Well if you think it's on topic, then I'd be glad to continue.

Sure.

 

[Kyogre35]

I am just a tad confused about your perspective now. You just called the office of the Presidency a Facist outfit, and then defended all of the powers that essentially make it a facist outfit.

Some measures were needed to be passed to make the power of the President higher, I said at the end of my statement laws in the future will hopefully be passed to make it less of a Facist state, sorry if that confused you.

It is sadly not a surprise to me. It is a dissapointment.

So basically, Rush is using a 60-year extinct genocidal empire as an example because he is too afraid his viewers are too ignorant and uneducated to know of a real-life modern example? Doesn't that offend you a little bit?

Personally, I think whoever can't point to Britain or Russia on a map needs to go back to school before they try getting into politics.

Well it's not just some Conservatives that are that mentally challenged, there everywhere...and some of them voted for Barack Obama.

So he used Nazi Germany, which I admit wasn't the best analogee, but he did state after his comparison that it was only based on policies.

Well then, stop pressing the point and give me some examples of MSNBC's daily hate against Bush, and please link/quote them and explain their context.

It's not daily anymore, it was during the Bush Administration.

I'll get back to you on that, it's 6:22 AM here and I only have about 8 minutes left online.

Okay, I'll give you that. My only argument here would be the association with Bill Ayers, and calling him racist (see Rush citation above), and - the color of his skin being comparable to someone from the Middle East - did have the effect of making viewers believe he was secret Muslim.

Especially viewers who can't point to Britain or Russia on a map.

True, Rush is the very extreme of conservatives so some things he says I don't find particulary right, and that is one of them.

There is no need to be comparing Barack to a Muslim.

A modern Democratic Socialist...somewhat like people in Britain, Russia, Sweden...etc. Totally not "Nazi".

Your still thinking about the acts Nazi Germany commited, yes they arn't similar comparing those, but in the policies they've passed, they are more identical than you think.

And so would Bush, Clinton, Bush 1st, Reagan, the last few presidents...but why is Limbaugh going for Obama directly? Did he speak out against the Republicans that held the same office before him?

Actually yes, he didn't like Bush when he was in office, and especially during the last part of his 2cd term.

So he does dish out the punishment to everyone, but Liberals Usually more than Republicans.

Okay, Beck said this on a particular segment where he was exposing Obama's lobbyist (when he said he wouldn't have any lobbyists) Valerie Jarett.

Context is always key.

This was a nice, educating segment, very in depth on Obama's administration, more in depth than MSNBC gets. Except, it would be more respectable, had not Beck held a tin of Copenhagen (because Obama had flown to Copenhagen to appeal to the Olympic Commitee) the entire time, and then at the end of his show held the chewable tobacco up and said, "It may give you a buzz, but the label on the back says..." and then he slaps a sticker up on his board next to Michelle Obama's face saying, "Contents may cause cancer."

Was it necessary?

You do realize that Beck is also a comdian? So this was his comedian side appealing to the audience.

No, some of the things he does is not appropiate, but again some of the newspapers and NBC don't do things appropiate to.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html

And then at the end of his statement it says.

"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."​

​

So, he refined his statement...it's still a far stretching idea, but it has some merit.

A little biased? If you discredit MSNBC then Fox, and Limbaugh, at least, goes down with the ship. As equally partisan and mudslinging. No prisoners. Or give me a few examples of why the conservative media is more impartial than MSNBC.

Fox, contrary to popular belief, is not a Right Wing Media outlet. There hardcore news shows are not biased, and have you ever caught Bill O' Reilly's show? I watch it the most because he is not biased, he even pisses me off sometimes in things he says.

Well if you think it's on topic, then I'd be glad to continue.

Sure.

 

[Tim the turtle]

There is no need to be comparing Barack to a Muslim.

In keeping with the theme of this thread, that to me actually does read as kind of racist. I know you didn't mean for it to look like that but it really does make it look as if comparing Obama to a Muslim is a bad thing, the phrase "There's no need" is often one used when something seems completely out of line. Hence you're essentially saying that it's completely out of line to compare Obama to a Muslim, which really does insinuate that Muslims are bad people to be compared to. It just struck me as kind of amusing given what this thread is about. So yeah, I don't think for a moment that you were being racist, but perhaps the reason that everything is put down to racism these days is because we often don't think hard enough about how we phrase things in our day to day lives. Food for thought? Maybe, damn now I'm really hungry and there's no food about :'(

 

[CSolarstorm]

Don't you think there is a problem when the Presidency is a Facist outfit?

Some measures were needed to be passed to make the power of the President higher, I said at the end of my statement laws in the future will hopefully be passed to make it less of a Facist state, sorry if that confused you.

Well, I'm glad you reassured yourself. You should now understand exactly why Obama is a Fascist - because of the powers Bush left him.

Well it's not just some Conservatives that are that mentally challenged, there everywhere...and some of them voted for Barack Obama.

Whoa whoa whoa. *watches you debate this into a hole*. First you defended yourself by saying some conservatives are uneducated, (which is not a defense) now you use the "Two Wrongs Make a Right" logical fallacy to say, "its okay that Rush's listeners can be uneducated cause some democrats are uneducated too" and then you use that to make an unwarranted bash on Obama for no apparent reason.

Voting for Barack Obama =/= Not Knowing Where Russia and Britain are on a map. That's just your opinion. I could just as easily say the mentally challenged voted for Bush but I couldn't use that as a fact in a debate.

There is no reason why Limbaugh couldn't outline the evils of socialism in Russia...Sweden, Britain...he would challenge his listeners to study more and broaden their horizons to think on a global scale instead of harping on a dead horse, the ancient Nazi empire.

So he used Nazi Germany, which I admit wasn't the best analogee, but he did state after his comparison that it was only based on policies.

And then at the end of his statement it says.

"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."​

So, he refined his statement...it's still a far stretching idea, but it has some merit.

Don't you see what they are doing here though? They are saying exactly what they mean first, and then following up with a statement to cover their backs afterwards. After saying "Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people" saying "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people" doesn't refine the statement; it's like a bipolar contradiction.

And also notice how much this thread complains about different races calling white people innumerable times, but Beck calls Obama racist and you say "the idea has some merit".

And when Limbaugh says that his comparison is only based on Nazi Germany's policies, did you learn exactly what policies those are? Cause...I'm interested.

Your still thinking about the acts Nazi Germany commited, yes they arn't similar comparing those, but in the policies they've passed, they are more identical than you think.

Enlighten me.

No, some of the things he does is not appropiate, but again some of the newspapers and NBC don't do things appropiate to.

It's not daily anymore, it was during the Bush Administration.

I'll get back to you on that, it's 6:22 AM here and I only have about 8 minutes left online.

I am awaiting your examples of...all these claims.

Context is always key.

No way does exposing Obama's lobbyist give context/meaning to Beck saying the Obama family is comparable to chewable tobacco and "causes cancer".

You do realize that Beck is also a comdian? So this was his comedian side appealing to the audience.

You think it's funny compare the first black presidential family to chewable tobacco - which leaves a dark black stain - and then slap a "may cause cancer" sign next to a portrait of the First Lady? Obama used the "pig in lipstick" statement even REMOTELY referring to Palin, and the media was outraged!

 

[Raichu_is_awesome]

Have you ever noticed how white people are the only ones that can be racist. Why? :/

Other races can be racist, too. :\

 

[Pikachu!84]

Have you ever noticed how white people are the only ones that can be racist. Why? :/

Other races can be racist, too. :\

I know, I don't get that myself! I mean really I am half black and half white and I have lots of people on the black side of my family that are racist. My boyfriend's dad is racist and he is black!

I don't ever understand why people are racist in the first place. I think that being racist is very stupid and pointless!