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RANT regarding Bob and George.

Blivsey

DATA_ERROR
WARNING: This rant may become higly offensive to some people. This goes doubly for noobs lurking about the forums that will automatically praise any comic they hear good about. So go hide under a brick AFTER reading this, but pay attention for a minute.




[RANT]You all knew this had to happen at some point. With all the rants going around lately, it was inevitable that this would pop up, but this has to get through your thick skulls right now:

BOB AND GEORGE IS NOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF SPRITE COMICS.

No, I didn't screw up. Some of you who know me sort of well know that I like Bob and George. The comic is really quite funny. However, that doesn't mean that it's not flawed. In fact, that's why I'm here: To, for the first time, employ 100% of my criticising powers (or darn near it) to prove, once and for all, that Bob and George: the Comic Strip isn't perfect, or even the absolute best webcomic. And I'll put it all under my reasons today.

Rant key: R = reason, E = Explanation of subreason.


R1: The author's rather self-absorbed.
E1: At the beginning of the story, as a starting author with naught but the ability to recolor and maybe put a mouth onto another sprite, who even mistook his poofing with burping, gave himself the power of reserection. Also, he wrongfully claimed that he was creator of the first sprite comic, a title which rightfully belongs to "Neglected Mario Characters." Besides that, he was the one that spurred all the

R2: The author insults the readers often.
E2: Here. By clicking on that last, underlined word, you get one of many examples of him making fun of readers. He continually thinks that readers don't care, or are idiots, or won't notice. Fact is, Dave, we do notice. And insulting readers generally loses readers. That is, unless they're clinging to the comic like it's 24-karat gold.

R3: Very little efort is put into sprites.
E3: Every last one of his characters is either fan-made by someone else, ripped from a Megaman game, or a recolor, with one or two improvements. Some of the villains have origional sprites, but even then they only show up for a while. In fact, one of the only times that he puts in effort to spriting is during Halloween or other rare occasions. For the most part, though, he uses premade sprites.

R4: The plot stinks.
E4: Let's face it: the plot is full of holes. The whole punchline of one comic was the noise made by closing plotholes. Besides that, he tries to explain every gap in physics within the comic infrastructure with the phrase "I hate time travel," which doesn't really close any plotholes. Besides that, the plots are sometimes completely random things that have to do with nothing. Also, the author tries to patch it up with more convulted plot devices than you can shake a stick at. It just doesn't cut it.

R5: Half the jokes are either convulted of explicit.
E5: This is my main problem with society in general. Nobody can make a joke anymore without making fun of a person or group of people or making reference to drugs or violence. The violence thing I can stand, but I don't enjoy alcoholism. Especially not in comic form. If you're going to have a joke, do it while keeping it so that my ten-year-old brother can read this over my shoulder and keep his innosence.



So, those are my reasons. Remember, no comic is almighty and flawless. Until next time...

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Sakim

Darkness Is Rising..
Man he's right. I've seen many people hail to that comic. I did until I read what you pointed out. So how long did it take you to write this. Well I'm done typing for a while now.
 
Yes, i have too seen many comics that look exactly like Bob and George, they start out in the same kind of way main charachter or author (or if the author is the main charachter both) say usually something about welcoming to the comic. While WP did do this, he put a more sucsessful theme to it, and not simply rehashing Bob and George (he did it a little at the begining however).
 

Blueray

Wario = PWN
Oblivion0807 said:
BOB AND GEORGE IS NOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF SPRITE COMICS.
I agree but sadly never knew anybody actually velieved this.



R1: The author's rather self-absorbed.
And this has what to do with his comics?...

R2: The author insults the readers often.
Again... this has what to do with his comics?

R3: Very little efort is put into sprites.
Well, since his comics are about megaman characters I would have to say that he doesn't need to put effort into them since they are premade...
but if someone is going to hate a comic on the soul fact that the sprites haven't had so much detail put into them that they have been blessed by a preist then I think that makes someon pretty stuckup...

R4: The plot stinks.
True, but the suckiness of the plot is very well put together and I enjoy it...

R5: Half the jokes are either convulted of explicit.
Which is what makes it so awesome... if your offeneded by it... then hit the freaking X button at the top of the screen... (Bet ya didn't notice that there fancy thinger)


In conclusion if you don't like something you don't have to read it...
simple as that...
Also... the quality of a comic shouldn't depend on how many days it took to make it...

P.S. ...
what gave you a reason to post this...
if stuff like this keeps going the mods might as well ad a subforum... "Sprite comic philosophy" this is bassically a debate.
 
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BOB AND GEORGE IS NOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF SPRITE COMICS.
Funny, I don't seem to recall any one person here saying anything to that effect.

R1: The author's rather self-absorbed.
E1: At the beginning of the story, as a starting author with naught but the ability to recolor and maybe put a mouth onto another sprite, who even mistook his poofing with burping, gave himself the power of reserection. Also, he wrongfully claimed that he was creator of the first sprite comic, a title which rightfully belongs to "Neglected Mario Characters." Besides that, he was the one that spurred all the
Two things:
1.As Blueray said, how the heck does that have anything to do with the comic?
2. What the hell happened to the rest of that paragraph?

R2: The author insults the readers often.
E2: Here. By clicking on that last, underlined word, you get one of many examples of him making fun of readers. He continually thinks that readers don't care, or are idiots, or won't notice. Fact is, Dave, we do notice. And insulting readers generally loses readers. That is, unless they're clinging to the comic like it's 24-karat gold.
Funny, what I see there is a sarcastic fourth-wall-breaking joke. The only actual insults I see right now are the ones you're throwing around at the readers yourself.

R3: Very little efort is put into sprites.
E3: Every last one of his characters is either fan-made by someone else, ripped from a Megaman game, or a recolor, with one or two improvements. Some of the villains have origional sprites, but even then they only show up for a while. In fact, one of the only times that he puts in effort to spriting is during Halloween or other rare occasions. For the most part, though, he uses premade sprites.
It's a sprite comic about Megaman characters, what were you expecting? Completely custom sprites made from scratch popping up left and right? Make 'em yourself. Geez.

R4: The plot stinks.
E4: Let's face it: the plot is full of holes. The whole punchline of one comic was the noise made by closing plotholes. Besides that, he tries to explain every gap in physics within the comic infrastructure with the phrase "I hate time travel," which doesn't really close any plotholes. Besides that, the plots are sometimes completely random things that have to do with nothing. Also, the author tries to patch it up with more convulted plot devices than you can shake a stick at. It just doesn't cut it.
Has it occured to you just how difficult it can be to come up with just one plot, let alone one every two or three months?

R5: Half the jokes are either convulted of explicit.
E5: This is my main problem with society in general. Nobody can make a joke anymore without making fun of a person or group of people or making reference to drugs or violence. The violence thing I can stand, but I don't enjoy alcoholism. Especially not in comic form. If you're going to have a joke, do it while keeping it so that my ten-year-old brother can read this over my shoulder and keep his innosence.
And now we get into what I call 'the Maddox Effect'. Basically, you're getting angry about your little brother/sister/insertsmallchildsubtypehere being able to see explicits and violence when you yourself have the power to just close the goddamn window. You're trying to shift blame. And failing miserably, might I add.

So, those are my reasons. Remember, no comic is almighty and flawless.
Odd, I don't recall anyone saying there was such a thing.

Also, if you're going to rant and you want intelligent people to side with you, then you may want to spellcheck like an intelligent person. There were about ten spelling errors in about three paragraphs' worth of writing. That's a little much.

Another point about the explicits: BnG is made by a guy that is about college-student age. Therefore, it can be expected that quite a few of the jokes would be of the sort you'd hear from a college student. If you don't like the explicits, then make your own comic with no swearing, put it up, read it, and see if people find it as good as they find BnG.

This brings me to a point I'd like to address regarding the people that keep on b*tching about BnG: THIS IS A PLACE TO POST AND/OR REVIEW FAN COMICS THAT ARE ON THIS SITE, NOT A PLACE TO PUT UP YOUR SILLY-*** RANTS ABOUT THE BOB AND GEORGE WEBCOMIC! Gawd. Get it through your skulls.
 
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Flygon

Guest
Oblivion0807 said:
BOB AND GEORGE IS NOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF SPRITE COMICS.
That's pretty obvious. I took a look at their site, and that comic is worse than some of the comics with stoledn material. I shall list my reasons-
1. They're not funny. Seriously, they've got no humor whatsoever.
2. It's dumb. So much dumbness leads to a dumb author.
3. No plot. Of course, that's rather common in many sprite comics.
4. NO EFFORT! Stupid authors didn't even put in so much as a recolour! Let alone scratch sprites!
So there you have it. Four reasons why Bob and George is NOT so great, and that you should not imitate them. Good day to you.
 

Blivsey

DATA_ERROR
Wow, three thanks and an arguement already? Well, this took most of my afternoon, so I'm good and ready to shoot down anybody who thinks that that they can topple this using such poor grammar as the above person.

BOB AND GEORGE IS NOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF SPRITE COMICS.
I agree but sadly never knew anybody actually velieved this.

You don't? Even when this place is crawling with noobs that worship the comic as such? You need to get out more, then.

R1: The author's rather self-absorbed.
And this has what to do with his comics?...

If the author's self-absorbed, it generally ruins the comic. Besides that, whole domains have been ruined by a bad webmaster. I've seen it happen. The attitude of the author has EVERYTHING to do with the comic.


R2: The author insults the readers often.
Again... this has what to do with his comics?

Insulting the readers is never a good way to go with comics. (Insults generally drive people off, not intruige them to listen/read/pay any form of attention.

R3: Very little efort is put into sprites.
Well, since his comics are about megaman characters I would have to say that he doesn't need to put effort into them since they are premade...
but if someone is going to hate a comic on the soul fact that the sprites haven't had so much detail put into them that they have been blessed by a preist then I think that makes someon pretty stuckup...

First, you just gave ground by admitting that he's using premade sprites. Bad. Second, I don't base it on the "soul" fact, or sole fact for that matter, that they aren't so custom that they've "been blessed by a priest." Didn't you read? That's one of five reasons, and most of the sprites are direct recolors, if even. The only ain character that's not just has a 'fro added on half the time.

R4: The plot stinks.
True, but the suckiness of the plot is very well put together and I enjoy it...

You just gave ground AGAIN. And how can "suckiness" be well put-together? Lack of plot is lack of plot, PERIOD.

R5: Half the jokes are either convulted of explicit.
Which is what makes it so awesome... if your offeneded by it... then hit the freaking X button at the top of the screen... (Bet ya didn't notice that there fancy thinger)

"Fancy thinger?" You're resulting to southern slang? Anyway, I didn't say that I was offended, just annoyed that nobody can make a decent, reference-free joke anymore. And convulted and/or explicit jokes do NOT make a comic better.

In conclusion if you don't like something you don't have to read it...
simple as that...
Also... the quality of a comic shouldn't depend on how many days it took to make it...

Get this through your head: I actually ENJOY Bob and George, no matter how much this makes it seem like I don't. I just don't think it deserves the title of "The Holy Grail of Sprite Comics" that some give it. And did I say ANYthing on how long it takes him to make the comic? No. I complained for other reasons.

P.S. ...
what gave you a reason to post this...
if stuff like this keeps going the mods might as well ad a subforum... "Sprite comic philosophy" this is bassically a debate.

What gave me reason to post this? The same reason that gave the other noob-slaughtering rants around here the reason to post their rants: It needed to be done at some point. Bob and George isn't what all the "bNG is T3h 1337!!11!!!!1one2" going around is about. Yes, this topic is up here, basically as a debate. And yes, some people have petitioned for the "Sprite Comic Philosophy" section you speak of. It just hasn't gotten to the "final ruling" stage yet. Now get off my back.
 

Mastercougar

The Infinite Fire
Here's my view:

Oblivion is correct on all his points, though I think each is of less magnitude, at least BnG-wise.

BnG takes all that stuff and does well despite it. But some novice comic maker comes, reads BnG, and decides that all he needs to do to be great is copy all that, and it creates a great disturbance in the Net.

~MC
 
Heres my two bits.

This, once again, is like Star Wars.

B&G is like the Dark Side. Since it copies sprites, plot holes, and bad attitude towards the readers, it pulls in the younglings since they all look there first for insperation to what a true comic should be.

The Light Side is the comic makers who do their own sprites, complete plots that are relevent to the story, and like their readers. They should teach the new authors to use their spriting abilities to their fullest potential and produce original comics. NOTE: This side also, and always will, include the New York Yankees.

Last but not least, the new authors are the younglings. They start out training for the light side, but after reading B&G, half of them do what they do and copy sprites, talk bad about the readers, and never finish plots.

In conclusion, the good authors like Blueray, Cheebvee, Blueguy, Snagger, David, Davis, and the others should be taking the younglings under their wings and teach then the way of the Light Side.
 

Sora

AKA Snagger Outlaw
Damian the Duck said:
In conclusion, the good authors like Blueray, Cheebvee, Blueguy, Snagger, David, Davis, and the others should be taking the younglings under their wings and teach then the way of the Light Side.
I stopped making sprite comics, but yeah. And ME isn't that good now that I look at it o-O

I have never heard of BnG until about... two months ago. And I've been making sprite comics for about two years now. I will agree with the crude humor, I cannot tolerate alcohol or drug jokes. I went to a rehab center to visit my mom (recovering from alcoholism) and it is the saddest thing I have ever seen. This subject you have NO DAMN RIGHT whatsoever to make fun of for the sheer reason that some people have gone through this pain and are trying to get over it. It's like stabbing someone with this fact over and over and over again.

Not only is crude humor a big NO incomics, but in acting as well, both of which are forms of art. It's the easiest cheapest way to get a laugh out of people. But I've seen so much of it it doesn't crack a smile in my class anymore, and they're all hormone-pumped horny high schoolers.
 
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LiLi

Guest
I'm honestly surprised no one mentioned 8-Bit Theater, as I consider THAT to be more of a holy grail than BNG, which I read maybe twice and dropped with the quickness. I still don't understand why people like BNG, as it always looks like a comic made by a total n00b. Weird.
 
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Flygon

Guest
Wondrous Sableye said:
—.— Flygon, have you ever even tried churning out a new comic every frackin' day? It's not as easy as it sounds.
It's not easy, but stupid comics turn up in about a day. Crappy comics that aren't funny, but in fact mean are those like BnG, with, once again, little effort, stupid yet cruel jokes, and a really stupid plotline. It makes no sense.
LiLi said:
I'm honestly surprised no one mentioned 8-Bit Theater, as I consider THAT to be more of a holy grail than BNG, which I read maybe twice and dropped with the quickness. I still don't understand why people like BNG, as it always looks like a comic made by a total n00b. Weird.
I agree, the comics do look n00bish. And what is 8-bit Theater? It sounds interesing. I've heard of 8-bit Weirdos, but not Theater.
 

Blivsey

DATA_ERROR
Woah, post explosion! First to subdue that annoying Sableye.

BOB AND GEORGE IS NOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF SPRITE COMICS.
Funny, I don't seem to recall any one person here saying anything to that effect.

Like I said before, you need to get out more if that's the case. Or, better yet, look in a mirror. Below you seem to be defending it like a son. Okay, more like a grandson or something of not such a great magnitude, but you still are defending it what seems to be strongly.


R1: The author's rather self-absorbed.
E1: At the beginning of the story, as a starting author with naught but the ability to recolor and maybe put a mouth onto another sprite, who even mistook his poofing with burping, gave himself the power of reserection. Also, he wrongfully claimed that he was creator of the first sprite comic, a title which rightfully belongs to "Neglected Mario Characters." Besides that, he was the one that spurred all the
Two things:
1.As Blueray said, how the heck does that have anything to do with the comic?
2. What the hell happened to the rest of that paragraph?

As you didn't give a direct response, you obviously agree. Like I said, the Author's on self-absorbency has been the downfall of many comics. Self-absorbency leads to a self-insert. Self-insert leads to Mary-Sue. Mary-Sue leads to a dictatorship of a comic. A dictatorship of a comic leads to the comic's downfall. The downfall of one comic makes the others look better, which leads to more self-absorbency. It's a never-ending chain, friend, all caused by self-absorbed authors and their comics.


R2: The author insults the readers often.
E2: Here. By clicking on that last, underlined word, you get one of many examples of him making fun of readers. He continually thinks that readers don't care, or are idiots, or won't notice. Fact is, Dave, we do notice. And insulting readers generally loses readers. That is, unless they're clinging to the comic like it's 24-karat gold.

Funny, what I see there is a sarcastic fourth-wall-breaking joke. The only actual insults I see right now are the ones you're throwing around at the readers yourself.

Have you no vision? They say themselves, "The readers will never notice." That generally means they don't think the readers are smart enough to figure it out on their own. That's insulting.


R3: Very little efort is put into sprites.
E3: Every last one of his characters is either fan-made by someone else, ripped from a Megaman game, or a recolor, with one or two improvements. Some of the villains have origional sprites, but even then they only show up for a while. In fact, one of the only times that he puts in effort to spriting is during Halloween or other rare occasions. For the most part, though, he uses premade sprites.

It's a sprite comic about Megaman characters, what were you expecting? Completely custom sprites made from scratch popping up left and right? Make 'em yourself. Geez.

I never said that. I just said that the most he does on a regular basis is recolors, which don't require a lot of effort. Hardly any, really. And what does the comic having to do with Megaman have anything to do with the quality of the sprites?


R4: The plot stinks.
E4: Let's face it: the plot is full of holes. The whole punchline of one comic was the noise made by closing plotholes. Besides that, he tries to explain every gap in physics within the comic infrastructure with the phrase "I hate time travel," which doesn't really close any plotholes. Besides that, the plots are sometimes completely random things that have to do with nothing. Also, the author tries to patch it up with more convulted plot devices than you can shake a stick at. It just doesn't cut it.

Has it occured to you just how difficult it can be to come up with just one plot, let alone one every two or three months?

Yes, it has. Plots CAN be difficult. However, with that many readers, I think that he could come up with something a BIT more origional than the recent "get-out-of-my-body" bit.


R5: Half the jokes are either convulted of explicit.
E5: This is my main problem with society in general. Nobody can make a joke anymore without making fun of a person or group of people or making reference to drugs or violence. The violence thing I can stand, but I don't enjoy alcoholism. Especially not in comic form. If you're going to have a joke, do it while keeping it so that my ten-year-old brother can read this over my shoulder and keep his innosence.

And now we get into what I call 'the Maddox Effect'. Basically, you're getting angry about your little brother/sister/insertsmallchildsubtypehere being able to see explicits and violence when you yourself have the power to just close the goddamn window. You're trying to shift blame. And failing miserably, might I add.

I used that as a flippin' EXAMPLE. I was just annoyed that a married physics teacher had to resort to that form of lowbrow humor.


So, those are my reasons. Remember, no comic is almighty and flawless.

Odd, I don't recall anyone saying there was such a thing.

Have you ever seen a Snagger-worshipper? That's what her comic gets called. Flawless. Which no comic is, no matter how well-done.


Also, if you're going to rant and you want intelligent people to side with you, then you may want to spellcheck like an intelligent person. There were about ten spelling errors in about three paragraphs' worth of writing. That's a little much.

I only see one error, and that's where I failed to go back and finish a thought. I don't know where you got the other nine.

Another point about the explicits: BnG is made by a guy that is about college-student age. Therefore, it can be expected that quite a few of the jokes would be of the sort you'd hear from a college student. If you don't like the explicits, then make your own comic with no swearing, put it up, read it, and see if people find it as good as they find BnG.

As a select few (and a lot more in a few seconds) know, I AM putting up my own comic come New Year's. And I generally go against explicit stuff. And besides that, Dave was in college in the first few years of the comic. Now he's 26, no longer college age. He's a married physics instructor at a community college in the Midwest, which has some of the best school systems around. I think he's qualified to make a joke without resorting to alcohol, sexuality or other such things now.

This brings me to a point I'd like to address regarding the people that keep on b*tching about BnG: THIS IS A PLACE TO POST AND/OR REVIEW FAN COMICS THAT ARE ON THIS SITE, NOT A PLACE TO PUT UP YOUR SILLY-*** RANTS ABOUT THE BOB AND GEORGE WEBCOMIC! Gawd. Get it through your skulls.

Yes, it is, but sometimes rants like these need to be put up in order to keep the forums orderly and noob-free. This is one of those. If people stop thinking they can get away with bad quality, we might have more decent-quality comics around here. And with the yelling, I think you're the one "b*tching," especially since you couldn't do it in a deignified and orderly manner.

There you go, another arguement shattered. Thank you very much, have a great day- wait! You have another one coming!


—.— Flygon, have you ever even tried churning out a new comic every frackin' day? It's not as easy as it sounds.

No, it's not. But I know that there still needs to be more effort put into a comic with that many fans. One of the fancomics, "Evil, Inc.", is updated daily, and it's superior to its benefactor in most of the ways stated above. It hardly ever, if at all, breaks the fourth wall; is composed of almost entirely custom sprites; has a sensible, flowing plot; and hasn't insulted the readers yet to my knowledge.


And now, for a kinder few notes.

MC, Snagger and Damian! Great to see you all here, and all on my side, too! Nice comparison, there, Damian. I shall soon be joining the ranks of the Light side myself.

This gives me an idea: We should create an academy where students are taken up by available, experienced authors and taught in spare time how to make the best comics possible. Whaddaya think? Good idea, bad idea, or you-couldn't-care-less idea?
 
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Lotad

ZOMG!I'm a person!
Its a good Idea,because I (a lowly comic author) made a fourth walless comic(which failed)then A pokemon journey comic (On which I came to my senses and decided to discontinue)And then I finally made an okay comic (my current.)Tons of time and skill cound be used much better if good authors (like MC,Blueray,snagger and DGG)would teach the begginers how to make a good comic.
 
—.— Ignoring the fact that you didn't notice that I had posted before your first reply…

Here are the mistakes that aren't the unfinished paragraph:
1: power of reserection: That's 'resurrection'. 'Reserection' isn't even a word.
2: Very little efort: 'Effort' is spelled with two 'F's.
3: origional sprites: 'Original' is spelled with only one 'O'
4: one of the only times that he puts in effort to spriting: That should be "one of the only times he puts effort into spriting". And, I notice you bothered to spell 'effort' properly there, but not two paragraphs up.
5: premade: 'Premade' is not a word. 'Pre-made' is.
6: convulted: 'Convulted' is not a word either. It's 'convoluted'.
7: criticising: 'Criticizing' isn't spelt with an 'S'.
8: Half the jokes are either convulted: Misspelled 'convoluted' again.
9: Half the jokes are either convulted of explicit.: That should be an 'or'.
10: If you're going to have a joke, do it: Either say "If you're going to make a joke," or use "have it."
11: while keeping it so that my ten-year-old brother can read this over my shoulder and keep his innosence.: That's 'innocence'.

Well, turns out there were MORE THAN TEN. And you call me blind?

Which leads to my next point. You are effectively making fun of the visually impaired when you use that term. Hypocrisy sort of kills your arguement.

I saw the 'sure, the readers won't notice' thing. That's a joke. If you can't take a joke, then it sucks to be you. Take it as a joke, not a deep personal insult. Jesus monkey Christ…

A few more points to disprove…

Last I checked, twenty-six was still an age one could go to college. Some people take more than five or six years.

In comedy, three things are inevitable: insults of some magnitude, parodies, and crude humor. MAD TV uses crude humor in just about every other sketch, Comedy Central's Celebrity Roasts almost always have quite a few swearwords in them, and The Daily Show has blatant innuendoes every other episode. Therefore, trying to stop any one of them altogether is suicide.

Crude humor does not equal lowbrow humor. Lowbrow humor is humor for stupid people. True, crude humor isn't always funny, but it's not always unintelligent, either.

Yes, I've seen Snagger-worshippers, and she has my sympathy for dealing with those idiots, but I've looked through most of the noobish reviews for Mutational Error and Metal Virus, and I didn't see the words 'flawless' or 'perfect' in any of them.

As for "What does the comic being about Megaman have to do with the quality of the sprite?" that question is easy enough to answer; any sprite comic based off of characters for which the sprites already exist, as with Megaman and Bass, one isn't going to go about creating entirely new sprites for them. And for the OCs(Original Characters), if you make a scratch sprite and it doesn't fit with everything else in the comic, it looks sloppy. Though I will agree that some of the comics look a bit slapped together, e.g. the 'top hat and monocle' episode.

BnG isn't my favorite comic, either—I prefer Metroid: Third Derivative, myself—but calling it noobishly made is just taking it too far.
 
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Bagonclaw

Guest
I have a good Idea for a comic already. I have custom sprites made, and I am working on my backgrounds. I don't really think I need a teacher.
Teachers would be fine, though I wouldn't need one.
So, back on topic, I aggree with Oblivion. Vioilence is what I concider funny, as well as jokes. Drug use in comics = bad. Unless it is part of a joke as blueguy's comic "everstone" did on issue 7.
Thanks for reading my opinion.

-BC
 
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I wouldn't mind helping new makers with their comics. Want to start a shop with me?

The 8-Bit Weirdos was my comic BTW. I suprised anybody remembered it.
 
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