CSolarstorm
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It's just called role play. It's not categorized as rape if you deliberately planned it out, regardless of the connection. That's like murder without death or swimming in the ground.
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Rape: Can a person who was raped enjoy the experience?
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It's just called role play. It's not categorized as rape if you deliberately planned it out, regardless of the connection. That's like murder without death or swimming in the ground.
Not all rape is that stereotypical back-alley rape that is perpetrated by gangsters and thugs and no-good people. A boyfriend can rape his girlfriend if the girlfriend didn't want it at the time. Rape can totally be enjoyed and pleasurable if the circumstances call for it.
Rape is defined as sexual acts that are non-consensual. Regardless of whether you enjoy it or not, unless it was consensual it is considered rape.
I won't deny that in the overwhelming majority of cases rape is a wholly unpleasant experience for the victim. However, it is not impossible that someone could enjoy what is defined as a rape. For instance, many drunken one-night stands or date rapes may well have been enjoyable for both parties at the time, but in hindsight no consent was given so it is a rape.
Or, more extraordinarily: a person who wants to maintain their celibacy would refuse on principle to consent to sex; however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the act itself. Rather like enjoying a 'vice' despite knowing it's wrong. So it's not infeasible that if sex were forced upon such a person that they might enjoy the experience despite not consenting (and of course would probably feel guilt afterwards).
Again, I would like to reiterate that rape in the sense that you would use it in everyday language is not pleasant for any victim. I'm just pointing situations in which consent is not given but the experience is pleasurable nevertheless.
I won't deny that in the overwhelming majority of cases rape is a wholly unpleasant experience for the victim. However, it is not impossible that someone could enjoy what is defined as a rape. For instance, many drunken one-night stands or date rapes may well have been enjoyable for both parties at the time, but in hindsight no consent was given so it is a rape.
Or, more extraordinarily: a person who wants to maintain their celibacy would refuse on principle to consent to sex; however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the act itself. Rather like enjoying a 'vice' despite knowing it's wrong. So it's not infeasible that if sex were forced upon such a person that they might enjoy the experience despite not consenting (and of course would probably feel guilt afterwards).
Again, I would like to reiterate that rape in the sense that you would use it in everyday language is not pleasant for any victim. I'm just pointing situations in which consent is not given but the experience is pleasurable nevertheless.
paracelsus
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Thank God this hasn't devolved the way I thought it would when I first saw it. While biologically speaking it could technically be "enjoyed", odds are the fear, helplessness and general displeasure would greatly outweigh it.
By what very definition? The definition being used here is:
"Rape is (forced) sex without consent from one or more of the involved parties."
This is the definition used by schools and workplaces everywhere.
And by this very definition, rape could very well be pleasurable or enjoyable, as I have described.
Angeltripper
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no, rape cannot be pleasurable to the victim
Webster says Enjoy is defined as:
It is a state of mind Grei, how can one enjoy something if the whole time they are saying either out loud or in their mind "No, Stop, or any other thing of the such.
Now I will not deny the possibility of the victim reaching climax, but is that enjoying the violation, or a body's natural reaction to sexual stimulation?
Scubasteve23
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Interesting story here. Once a girl was about to be raped, but she didn't want to get pregnant. So she asked the guy to at least wear a condom if he was going to rape her, and so he did. Later, when she went to press chargers, the rapist was charged not guilty. The reason why: Because the woman made the guy wear a condom, it was considered to be consensual and therefore; no longer rape.
I ahve a "friend" who loves sex... That pesron can never be "raped" because that person will always agree to it.. so Ur statement isn't an ALWAYS fact!
Why do you continually assume that the "victim" isn't enjoying it, even in your given definitions? You're basing your statements on the the assumption that rape victims will never find the rape enjoyable. What happens when someone enjoys it? Enjoyment =/= consent, so therefore, it can be enjoyed and still be rape.
IF they are enjoying it, they are not a victim and thus not being raped Grei! They are enjoying the chemical/physical stimulus caused by intercourse.
Frankly those of you who are defending the "enjoyable rape" position worry me. Because that thinking is along the lines of, 'If they orgasm it's not rape!' That honestly is a sick way to think IMO.
You can enjoy something and simultaneously not want it. It's called cognitive dissonance and causes the emotion we call guilt. Many smokers know smoking is bad for them and wish they didn't smoke, but simultaneously crave and enjoy smoking cigarettes. Same goes for people dieting who break their diets and have chocolate/fast food/etc.
It's not impossible for someone to enjoy something but consciously not want it.
It's not impossible for someone to enjoy something but consciously not want it.
Idunno man. Without getting too graphic,
anyone who has any experience knows that if a woman isn't aroused first, she won't be lubricated and relaxed and it's going to be physically painful for her. I'd bet ya anything that even if the rapist used lube she'd still be too tense and it would hurt. Guys can pretty much get off in any situation, but contrary to what the porn industry would want us to believe, a woman takes a little effort, or she won't be comfortable. Just the act of something being shoved up there won't automatically give her pleasure. She'd probably tense up and feel terrible pain and fear.
CSolarstorm
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Well, why are you assuming that they do? Consensual sex can start in a number of ways that are similar to bondage or predatorial or even forceful; as long as the two people exit agreeing that nobody was explicitly wronged, then it's consensual sex. The reason rape is not enjoyed except via sexual automation is because only the sexual situations that are not enjoyed are ever called rape. (This exclamation point is for emphasis!) Situations where nobody was wronged are called consensual sex.
Someone can call a sort of consensual sex that is forceful, predatorial, or involves some sort of violation that can be forgiven later 'rape' but just because the words are the same doesn't mean they are the same concept. When someone uses the word rape to describe a type of sex that is consensual, it is not the same concept as someone being beat up and forced by a stranger to perform sexually.
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