Rate... OR ELSE!

[Plat. Frontier]

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[dpdude]

um...we need moves and natures for us to rate. but ill give you movesets if you like.

Empoleon
adamant
torrent
aqua jet
EQ
swords dance
shadow claw/brick break

yay for physical empoleon. OR....

empoleon@petaya berry
modest
torrent
surf
ice beam
substitute
agility

standard subpetaya empoleon

staraptor
jolly/adamant
intimidate
u turn
return
close combat
brave bird

tyranitar
adamant/jolly
EQ
stone edge
crunch
DD

cant help with the last three. i hate ubers.

 

[Eon Master]

Also, read the rules here, and the team format here, Plat. Frontier. You can't just post sprites and expect a full rate, and we're even discouraged from doing that, so you should read the rules and the formating before you repost.

 

[Evilyn]

^iirc, Metagross is uber.

I pray to god there was supposed to be a 'not' in there somwhere. Also, I do not see a Gross in there anywhere.

Also, anyone who 'hates ubers' is either ignorant, going with popular opinion, or fucking stupid.

Skymin @ Leftovers
Timid
4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
~ Energy Ball / Seed Flare
~ Earth Power / Air Slash
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed

Giratina-O @ Griseous Orb
Modest
4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
~ Calm Mind
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Shadow Ball
~ Aura Sphere / Thunderbolt

Regigigas sucks. Ditch it.

 

[Ampy]

If you're fine with Ubers, I'd get rid of Regigigas and replace it with Dialga....

Let's go for a mixed attacker, shall we?:

Dialga@ Expert Belt/Life Orb
EVs: 120 HP/136 Atk/252 Sp. Atk
Quiet/Mild/Hasty Nature
Moveset:
Draco Meteor
Thunder/Thunderbolt
Flamethrower/Earth Power
Outrage/Brick Break

I wouldn't use Thunder unless you have Rain support (Kyogre). Flamethrower over Fire Blast because, I don't know about you, but I don't like the decreased accuracy :/

 

[dpdude]

my bad tyrant, i meant to say i dont use ubers. i just typed the wrong thing. and Eon Master was talking about how i have a metagross in my party/avatar.

 

[Bossk]

my bad tyrant, i meant to say i dont use ubers. i just typed the wrong thing. and Eon Master was talking about how i have a metagross in my party/avatar.

Well here's what you guys are talking about

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pseudo-legendary

 

[Evilyn]

Eon Master was talking about how i have a metagross in my party/avatar.

Ah, I see. However, there's no excusing the sheer ignorance it takes to think Gross is Uber. I mean, really? Was that a bloody joke Eon?

EDIT: Also, I believe Pseudo-Legendary was a term coined by fans to describe Pokemon with large stat totals and three evolution lines. This has virtually no bearing whatsoever on if it's uber or not.

Also, Pseudo-Legendary is, in my opinion, one of the most retarded terms I've ever heard used.

 

[Eon Master]

^Yeah. It was a joke, and it sucked.
And now you have (rightly so) quoted my stupidity.

 

[Evilyn]

Sorry to put an off topic post but:

Just a quick note so I don't have a bunch of people arguing with 'Pseudo-Legendary' being a good term and I was retarded because I didn't give any backing to my claims.

First, reposting the link to the Bulbapedia article: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pseudo-legendary

Pseudo-legendary is a term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. Pseudo-legendaries are more powerful than many other non-legendary Pokémon, if only for their base stats, and in particular, have an outstanding Attack stat. They also have incredibly diverse movepools and can usually be obtained only in their first form. Due to this, raising them is difficult since they require a lot of experience to level up. Since the pseudo-legendaries are very powerful, they are commonly used by many Trainers in their teams. Three of the five pseudo-legendaries Pokémon are Dragon-type.

Pseudo-legendary is a term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.

None of these things should make it comparable to a legendary. As it stands a legendary is widely accepted by the definition of a Pokemon that can only be caught once, does not breed, and doesn't evolve. While this also would include Lapras / Snorlax back in RBGY, this argument is moot because Game Freak has released statements before dismissing this. Also, there was no breeding back in RBGY, but now that there is it's possible to breed Lapras and Snorlax, further cementing them as normal Pokemon. But I digress.

three-stage evolution line

Legendaries cannot evolve, so I do not see the logic behind this.

two types

Typing has no bearing on legendary status.

as well as a base stat total of 600.

Stats have no bearing on legendary status.

Pseudo-legendaries are more powerful than many other non-legendary Pokémon, if only for their base stats

Powerful =/= Legendary. Again, Stats shouldn't nor do they have bearing on legendary status. Therefore, I do not see why Mence / Ttar / Metagross / Dragonite / Garchomp are deserving of their own titles.

They also have incredibly diverse movepools

In comparison to 'regular' Pokemon, they have a large movepool but I wouldn't personally say this is justification. Salamence and Dragonite are the only ones I could making a difference through movepool diversity.

they are commonly used by many Trainers in their teams.

Let's make Scizor a pseudo-legendary then.

With the exception of Garchomp's evolution family, the pseudo-legendaries are usually situated next to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective Generations.

This is simply them jumping to conclusions, if you ask me. The PokeDex should not really effect anything considering there's various contradictions in it between games, and is really nothing more than something that's 'cool to look at' but doesn't effect core gameplay.

With the exception of Garchomp's

Besides Metagross

Seems to me there's some inconsistencies.

If many of the facts stated do not make a legendary, why should they make something comparable to a legendary?

I know not all of the things quoted from the article were used to differentiate pseudo-legendaries from normal Pokemon. However the article has mentioned them therefore they are worth arguing.

And to close let me say a few things:

-Pseudo-legendary is a fan made term, therefore it's much more questionable.
-A Pokemon is legendary when GameFreak says it is. No matter how much of a pattern there is for legendaries, if GameFreak released that Caterpie was legendary than it is, because they make the games and decide the canon. Not the fans.

I feel I should have fleshed out my feelings a bit more, but whatever.

 

[Bossk]

Sorry to put an off topic post but:

Just a quick note so I don't have a bunch of people arguing with 'Pseudo-Legendary' being a good term and I was retarded because I didn't give any backing to my claims.

First, reposting the link to the Bulbapedia article: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pseudo-legendary





None of these things should make it comparable to a legendary. As it stands a legendary is widely accepted by the definition of a Pokemon that can only be caught once, does not breed, and doesn't evolve. While this also would include Lapras / Snorlax back in RBGY, this argument is moot because Game Freak has released statements before dismissing this. Also, there was no breeding back in RBGY, but now that there is it's possible to breed Lapras and Snorlax, further cementing them as normal Pokemon. But I digress.



Legendaries cannot evolve, so I do not see the logic behind this.



Typing has no bearing on legendary status.



Stats have no bearing on legendary status.



Powerful =/= Legendary. Again, Stats shouldn't nor do they have bearing on legendary status. Therefore, I do not see why Mence / Ttar / Metagross / Dragonite / Garchomp are deserving of their own titles.



In comparison to 'regular' Pokemon, they have a large movepool but I wouldn't personally say this is justification. Salamence and Dragonite are the only ones I could making a difference through movepool diversity.



Let's make Scizor a pseudo-legendary then.



This is simply them jumping to conclusions, if you ask me. The PokeDex should not really effect anything considering there's various contradictions in it between games, and is really nothing more than something that's 'cool to look at' but doesn't effect core gameplay.




Seems to me there's some inconsistencies.

If many of the facts stated do not make a legendary, why should they make something comparable to a legendary?

I know not all of the things quoted from the article were used to differentiate pseudo-legendaries from normal Pokemon. However the article has mentioned them therefore they are worth arguing.

And to close let me say a few things:

-Pseudo-legendary is a fan made term, therefore it's much more questionable.
-A Pokemon is legendary when GameFreak says it is. No matter how much of a pattern there is for legendaries, if GameFreak released that Caterpie was legendary than it is, because they make the games and decide the canon. Not the fans.

I feel I should have fleshed out my feelings a bit more, but whatever.

Yeah, I complete understand you. I think they do have some great stats, as my Tyranitar has beaten some Legendaries like nothing. And some because they Trainer simply sucked. Anyway, although they have some great stats, and have some better than most. But I don't think they deserve their own title.....It's stupid. Also.... Here's what they have (according to Platinum book)

Dragonite

HP: 3/5
Attack: 5/5
Defense: 3/5
Sp. Attack: 4/5
Speed: 3/5

now here's a non-Pseudo-Legendary, Slaking

HP:4/5
Attack: 4/5
Defense: 3/5
Sp. Attack: 3/5
Sp. Defense: 2/5
Speed: 5/5

So...Dragonite: 18/25
Slaking: 21/25

Slaking is superior. And he isn't? I think they picked popular strong Pokemon at the end of the Pokedex and started saying their Pseudo-Legendary.

There's a point taken of mine.

 

[Evilyn]

Slaking is superior. And he isn't? I think they picked popular strong Pokemon at the end of the Pokedex and started saying their Pseudo-Legendary.

Note that article explicitly says that they all have double typed and have a stat total of 600.

Also, what's with the fractions? Don't go with guide books, get the base stats off of Serebii's Pokedex.

Lastly, superior stats overall =/= better, in some cases. It depends on how it's distributed; you could have a base stat total of 10000 but if 9994 of those were in Attack, then it would be horrible in its defenses, HP, etc.

 

[Vaporeon4evr]

I'm very impressed with this team. I mean, the sprites are precisely arranged in a neat column, making them easy to see. The only suggestion I could make would be to organize them better. Perhaps arrange them in alphabetical order?

 

[Ampy]

Yeah, I complete understand you. I think they do have some great stats, as my Tyranitar has beaten some Legendaries like nothing. And some because they Trainer simply sucked. Anyway, although they have some great stats, and have some better than most. But I don't think they deserve their own title.....It's stupid. Also.... Here's what they have (according to Platinum book)

Dragonite

HP: 3/5
Attack: 5/5
Defense: 3/5
Sp. Attack: 4/5
Speed: 3/5

now here's a non-Pseudo-Legendary, Slaking

HP:4/5
Attack: 4/5
Defense: 3/5
Sp. Attack: 3/5
Sp. Defense: 2/5
Speed: 5/5

So...Dragonite: 18/25
Slaking: 21/25

Slaking is superior. And he isn't? I think they picked popular strong Pokemon at the end of the Pokedex and started saying their Pseudo-Legendary.

There's a point taken of mine.

Slacking isn't superior just because of it's higher base stats... Traunt is a horrible ability... probably the second worst after Slow-Start...

Ninjask can own Slaking one on one... Protect on attacking turn... Swords Dance on Traunt turn and so on, and then attack while Slaking has to Traunt... While you won't be seeing many Ninjask (if it all any) owning a Dragonite.

Sorry for going off topic with this...

 

[SapphireL]

Since the thread maker didn't read the rules of this section, it should be closed.


closed.