• Be sure to join the discussion on our discord at: Discord.gg/serebii
  • If you're still waiting for the e-mail, be sure to check your junk/spam e-mail folders

Read This: A Rant on UU Pokémon

Status
Not open for further replies.
Read This: A Rant on UU Pokémon

OK. Tropical Spirit and I have been discussing this over IM, and we both agree that this is a problem that has been growing over the past few months.

~


Recently, we've noticed an uprise in the popularity of UU Pokémon, a.k.a. underrated Pokémon. Doesn't sound major, right? Well, we think otherwise.

To understand this a little more, a bit of history is needed here. Back in 2004-2005, underrated Pokémon were just what their title suggested: underrated. A select few took to liking these Pokémon, such as Tropical Spirit and I.

I can imagine the reactions to that statement, so let me say that this rant is not out of bitterness between the two of us. Even if Tropical Spirit and I weren't fans of decidedly underrated Pokémon, I have no doubt that it would annoy us equally as much. We were some of the first anti-Charizard folk here, and neither of us were fans prior to that upsurge of popularity. It just happened, just as this us happening now. Tropical Spirit and I just happen to be part of this ever-growing bandwagon.

But I'm digressing. To get back on topic, underrated Pokémon were never really appreciated. And there's nothing wrong with that. There were a few fans here and there who took some time to recognize these Pokémon for their creativity and potential use. It was a fairly balanced system. But, especially in 2006, there's been an increase in the amount of UU fans. I won't name names, my reason being that I do like many of the people this rant is directed toward, and I don't want it to be taken in the wrong way.

But the fans of many OU Pokémon have been vanishing, replaced instead by newer members who are outspoken against these OU juggernauts and favor UU Pokémon. I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it's because they genuinely like those Pokémon. But my suspicion is that UU admiration was becoming a fad as 2006 progressed. In other words, a bandwagon was formed, an unintentional one, at that. I wouldn't be egotistic enough to blame myself for that bandwagon earning its wheels, but there are certainly many respectable members here whose opinions may have influenced those of newcomers'.

~

Normally, this would be a good thing, right? UU Pokémon finally getting the attention they were denied previously. Sounds cool to me. But two problems stem from that newfound popularity. Firstly, and less importantly, UU Pokémon become less underrated. That defeats the point of liking them, really. People like them because no one else does, and are proud of their one-man fandom. But if everyone else follows suit, that sense of individuality is ruined.

The most prominent example of this is Dragonite. NetBattlers in particular are standing up and feeling the worth of this juggernaut, the only one of the four who isn't commonly seen in OU Play. DDNite, CBNite, SubPunchNite....All of a sudden, the big orange lizard is getting a lot more attention, simply because someone got tired of Salamence and decided to go for its little brother for once.

~​

But, therein lies the problem. That's the entire reason this rant exists. Though I'm a bit against the thought of underrated Pokémon overtaking Charizard, Kingdra, Shuckle, and the like, there's a bigger problem that extends from this: There's only so much you can do to emphasize your love of your underrated champion. Sooner or later, you'll exhaust all the good points of it. So what is there left to do?

Blame. Blame its superiors, blame its fans, blame anything or anyone who stands in the way of general popularity of your underrated Pokémon. Again, I'll use Dragonite as an example. More and more people are using and loving this thing, and as a result, Salamence is garnering a lot more hatred. As opposed to before, when Salamence dominated the Polls of preference, the results are tying frequently, often with Dragonite taking the lead. However, to me at least, that sounds like I'm biased in favor of Salamence. So I've come prepared for that eventuality.

Look here. That is the kind of hostility I'm talking about. This is why this bias is a bad thing. With the newfound Dragonite fans, Salamence's popularity has dwindled alarmingly. People hate it. And they hate it because it's more recognized than Dragonite as a competent battler.

Salamence is a darn good Pokémon. That's not opinion, that's fact; statistics support it. But it's getting a terrible reputation. It's not like Charizard, who isn't the best battler around. Salamence hits hard and fast, with high Speed and Offenses. It has a huge movepool, and it's quite hard to beat without a proper counter. It doesn't deserve the hatred it's been receiving recently.

People can dislike it, but if they hate it because Dragonite is overshadowed in comparison, then that's just stupid. Newbies could easily be misled by this hatred, forgoing this mighty battler in favor Dragonite. Dragonite's a fine battler and all, but Salamence is overall more usable and versatile. It's just better to use, in most cases. But that fact could easily be overlapped by the flourishing bias against Salamence that SPPf is harboring.

~​

Similarly, Skarmory and Blissey suffer from the hatred of UU fanatics. I can't tell you how many people hate these two just because of their undeniable usefulness. People call them ugly, people call them attention *****s, and people call them just about anything they can to get people to join in the campaign.

There's no reason for that. Use Ledian instead of Blissey. Go ahead. No one's stopping you. You're not going to be shot for doing so. No one's going to hack your game, delete your Ledian and replace it with a Blissey. Blissey isn't going to eat your Ledian and take its place. Blissey has nothing to do with your usage of Ledian. The most you'll get is a few laughs out of Competitive Battlers for not using a superior Special Wall.

However, no one's going to stop you but yourself. That's the idea behind 'free will'. People are blowing Blissey's popularity far out of proportion. Blissey isn't even that used, anymore. There are a bunch of counters to Blissey, such as Boah, Snorlax, Sceptile, or even Dragonite. People are using Suicune, Regice, Snorlax, and other Special Walls, who aren't as easily countered and can do the same job, but with a bit more Offensive power.

Blaming Blissey for Ledian's neglect is like blaming the sun for global warming. It can't help it; it just does what it does. Blissey was made to be a Special Wall, and it will continue to do so no matter how many fanboys wet themselves over Blissey's perceived Uber power.

~​

I'm not asking for much here. All I want is a decrease in the animosity that has been directed towards the OU Pokémon. It's not their fault that they're used. Just as it's your choice to use Hypno or Mightyena, it's the choice of serious players to use Salamence and Snorlax. Does that mean Hypno and Mightyena should never be used? No. Anyone can use these Pokémon, and they have the ability to do damage and annoy the opponent. It's just that Snorlax and Salamence are more usable and are generally easier to use, and people go for that. Whatever works, Competitive Battlers use it.

Why hold that against them? We're all free to use whatever we want to. Our choices are our own. We can influence the opinions of others, but it's ultimately the person in question who makes the decision, not the one who persuades the said person to use what they like. Salamence, Skarmory, and Blissey are all excellent Pokémon, and they're recommended to new players because they work. That's simple logic.

~​

If you're upset that Mawile and Wailord don't get the respect they deserve, get over it. Seriously. That's the way it is. A few angry posts on a Pokémon Forum isn't going to make Nintendo Uberize the Pokémon they've neglected, nor will flaming the superiors of the weaker Pokémon.

I'm a big fan of Luvdisc and Lickitung. I think they're great Pokémon, but, unlike many of the other supporters of underrated Pokémon that have spawned over the past few months, I don't go to pieces when someone insults them. Luvdisc is horrendously weak, and Lickitung was really screwed over when it comes to Stats. I don't bother telling them that they can be killers when used in the right way, nor do I blame Snorlax or Milotic for being better Water/Normal Pokémon(respectively). That's the truth, and I've learned to live with it. I like the Pokémon for what they are, and I don't care how bad or how ridiculed they are. That's what being a fan is, in short, but some people don't seem to realize that. And that's why this Thread exists.


~*CB*~
The 8th Champion
 

Leon Phelps

Don't Tread on Me
Longest. Post. Ever.

Not really, but you've pretty much summed up my feelings as well. It doesn't really matter though because it's just a trend. Pretty soon, the next wave of followers will be using Salamence, Blissey, etc and start flaming "Haxsparce" again.
 

Auraninja

I withdraw reluctantly.
Hmm, well I guess you would have somewhat of a point there.

However, I don't really go by the OU/UU system. I like to use my favorites. Did Politoed became my favorite Pokemon because of how strong, or how weak, or how popular, or how negletted it is? No, he became my favorite because he is a frog. Frogs are my favorite animal. I liked Metagross when I first saw him. Then I found out he was extremely smart, which made me really like him. Do I like him because he's extremely powerful and knocks many opponents with Meteor Mash (though I love that move)? No, Metagross just became my favorite because of what he was. Pokemon become my favorites if there is something about the creature itself that made me like it, be it being a frog, smart, Psychic, or whatever. That's just how it is for me.
 
Last edited:

Valkyrie X

Well-Known Member
C. Blizz said:
I like the Pokémon for what they are, and I don't care how bad or how ridiculed they are. That's what being a fan is, in short, but some people don't seem to realize that.
Truer words have never been spoken. ;/

Aye...you're right once again, C. Blizz. It certainly is annoying how people are jumping on this bandwagon...Yep, you pretty much summed up my opinions on this matter, so I won't have to type up an essay on what I think of the issue now. :p

Like Psychic Politoed, I honestly don't care about the whole OU/UU thing; I enjoy using my favorites also, which just happen to be non-UU Pokémon. =/ I mean, if Latios and Latias had the battling skills of, say, Luvdisc (no offense, C. Blizz :p), I wouldn't give a crap, I'd still use them on my team anyway, because I love them for what they are. OU/UU means nothing to me.

;381;ZR;380;
 

*$hinydragonite*

Back after 1 year+
Blitzkrieg said:
Longest. Post. Ever.
Agreed.
Anyways, I don't like dragonite because it's a powerhouse. I like it because I caught one as a shiny dratini in the SZ of LG after (estimated) 16 balls. I never even thought of raising one to a dragonite until i caught it. That was 1-2 years ago. No one I knew liked dragonite much.
 

ReallyOcean

Thunder Trainer
I'm not going to read all of it, because I kind of see where you're going with it.

So you're upset because more people are liking the pokemon you like because before they were apparently "UU"? Come on.

They're not your pokemon. I don't see why someone would even give popularity over a "fake" little cartoon a second thought. If you care enough to even make a board about it, Um.

I won't say any more about that.

It's just Pokemon. People can like what they want. No need to "rant" about it.
 

GeorgeCollins

Volcano Trainer
Wow, I can't believe I read that whole thing, I must REALLY not want to study. But, I agree 100%. Instead of people complaining about how good something is and just going on and on, why don't they just take that time and think of the perfect counter? Why do they have to drag other people from their "favorites" for new "favorites?" Why do they have to hate on something that's good? Why can't they use them and enjoy them? Or better yet, just play how they want to play and enjoy it.

ReallyOcean: That's what I thought at the beginning of his post too, but I'd advise you to read on.
 
Last edited:

TrainerIruka

Glaceon fan
As much as I have my grudges against OU pokemon...
I choose my pokemon because I like them. Most of the ones I like ARE UU, and usually for obvious reasons.
I think everyone should just use their favorite pokemon. Not because "they're really strong" or because "they're UU!" ... :/ Meh. I don't have much to say other than that. The post is long enough to sum everything up.

;119; Iruka ;119;
 

Komedic Konservationist

N00b in the dungeon!
Thank you.
I have noticed that Pokemon like Altaria and Octillery have become so popular recently because of there underratedness that they arn't underrated any more. In a Dragon Face-Off a while ago, for instance, everyone was voting Altaria over all the popular dragon types and claiming "The underrated dragon Altaria must win!"
Even though I am a dedicated fan of UU Pokemon, and a dedicated hater of Pokemon like Umbridge and Slaking, I do believe that this opinion has become a trend on SPPF: meaning there are now overrated underrated and underrated overrated.
 
I sooooo hope Evanji Axu finds this.

Anyways half my fav pokes are UU.
Is it because I jumped on the bandwaggon? No
Ive liked them before.
Ninetales, Politoed Ive liked them since before I started going on here.
 

Deathskully

I r gud riter.
Thank you for this.

Yes, I have been noticing the massive amount of hate on some threads towards overused pokemon. They may be better and are used more clearly for the reason that they are a bit better, but it frustrates me when people hate a certain pokemon for shadowing a counterpart of it, or some other pokemon. Let people like what they want..
 

AJ Flibble

Emohawk
I'm going to be flamed and accused of "jumping on this bandwagon" when that is not ****ing right at all since this rant is most likely directed at me most of all.

True, I may generally prefer the underrated and underused Pokemon, but to me, the crappier Pokemon often have the coolest designs. Maybe, overratedness does turn me off a Pokemon, but I still dislike Charizard due to it's generic design (not so much now I must say, but still) and Scyther, due to the typical ninja scythes with no originality whatsoever.

I DO like popular Pokemon too. Umbreon, Lugia, Kingdra, I like them because I like their designs. I fell in love with Umbreon the first time I saw it. Back in 2001, when I first got Silver. I fell in love with Lugia, due to it's overall (IMO) awesome design, signature move and the "guardian of the sea" thing it has going on. I like Kingdra due to it being the only Dragon I've used and enjoyed, and it's humbleness for such a great being (and wicked cool design, IMO).

Now Blissey. Admittedly, it's design isn't that bad. But there is no logical reason as to why it's overpowered, as KK would know.

But generally, most Pokemon I like, such as Machamp, Victreebel, Typhlosion, are all useable, besides Dewgong who is barely useable I will admit, but still, they happen to be underrated, and at the time, and still now, I get a kick out of backing the underdog. For being different, since I have been different to others in my tastes since the beggining of time. The only reason I complain about Dewgong not being useable - not because I'm biased (well, partly), but because it was a missed opportunity. It was NEARLY useable, and then any chances of that were snatched away. Same with Pinsir not getting a decent Bug move, for instance. GameFreak show favouritism (the Red bais again, for instance) towards certain Pokemon. Blissey was already overpowered in GSC, but now, it got 2 insane abilities, an even better version of Heal Bell, and lots of other things. All I would ask is for a little more balance in general.

In closing, I do not ****ing join fads, I have never done, never will do, and have been a fan of somewhat underrated Pokemon such as Machamp (since ****ing 1998) for ages, and occasionally develop a liking for other shafted Pokemon due to them ironically having the best designs (Dewgong, Magcargo etc.) and I DO take this personally since often, anything like this has been in my experience personal, and for no good reason.

Why I like Dewgong? I wanted a Water/Ice type in my team, and I liked Dewgong's style the most. Why I like Machamp? It's strong, has four arms, and is the final form of Machop, the first Pokemon I liked because it was cute. Typhlosion? First starter in Silver, and cool IMO. Lanturn? Decent type combo, something I just simply wanted to train. In that case I liked it due to usefulness, bu those events are few and far between. Heck, Kingdra was a filler in one of my teams, but then I liked it. Same with Kangaskhan.

So, FINALLY, if anybody accuses me of having joined a fad and being something I'm not, they can go **** themselves for all I care since I am not false, not the same as everyone else and certainly, CERTAINLY NOT joining a bandwagon. It's how I've always been. Anyone who disagrees with that statement should have it drilled into their skull until they ****ing bleed.

The ****ing end. I can't sodding believe I've had to go this far and curse so much to get a point across. But people always get the wrong idea about me and I will NOT take being accused of joining a bandwagon.

MORE EDITS: I am not trying to make everyone a Machamp fan, a Dewgong fan, whatever. I'm just trying to get people to acknowledge that there ARE other decent Pokemon outside of the OU circuit and make people realise Pokemon like Qwilfish and Raticate are actually quite good. Heck, people still think Tentacruel sucks since it's the evolved form of a common Pokemon. Ha. They'd be wrong. People say Tentacruel's underrated, but I don't find that true anymore, since nearly everyone knows how it's actually quite good. I still like it though - it looks insanely badass.

I don't use legendaries on my teams. Why? Because I frown upon them? (some people think yes actually) No! Because there's no room! Lugia may be my favourite legendary, but there's too many other Pokemon I really like and so Lugia ends up not being on the team. Plus, it's more challenging to go through the game without - as the game's already pathetically easy. it's why I'm doing the Normal monotype challenge on Blue. And it's been a blast. As well as underrated Pokemon, I get kicks out of using Pokemon nobody I know of has ever used, or I have never used before, such as Kangaskhan and Raticate. No, my favourites aren't perfect. None are. Typhlosion's movepool is pretty small. Machamp is goddam slow. Dewgong sucks to be honest. Victreebel has no defenses to speak of. And others such as Raticate are going to get owned very quickly - but not without them losing half their health. That is beastly.

Now, this is slowly going off-topic here, and I'm going to try and close this post without editing it again (let's see how far I go!) and just say, once again, I'm in no bandwagon, just because I like underrated Pokemon, and am not going to force you to like Pokemon I like (although Evanji Axu has developed a liking for Dewgong, but that's not my fault... is it?), just to accept that I like them without being ridiculed.
 
Last edited:

Ridi

YOUR best friend
My favorite Pokemon are my favorites because I like their designs, Pokedex entries, and stuff like that... I could care less about their fanbases, and like Aipom and Venomoth as well as Skarmory and Metagross. The fact that most of my favorite Pokemon happen to suck in battle is simply a coincidence. I never train Pokemon I don't like, but it doesn't matter for me ANYWAY since I don't do competitive battling.

I didn't choose Electrode as my favorite Pokemon because of its lack of fans, in fact I didn't choose it to be my favorite at all - getting a fav Pokemon is kinda like falling in love, I think - I can't simply DECIDE who to like and dislike. If someone ever accused me of liking it because of some stupid bandwagon, I'd be seriously offended. And if Electrode suddenly was to get the stats of an uber Pokemon, I wouldn't like it any less.

Edited to add some useless stuff.
 
Last edited:

Vycksta

Well-Known Member
I agree with Ridi.

My favourites are my favourites cause I like their design, their 3D animation... in some cases their movesets, not because of their fanbases. To be honest, when I first came on Serebii I was shocked at the levels of hatred towards Charizard, Salamence and Umbreon. I could understand Charizard in a way, as I live in a part of England where Ash's Pokemon "own all"... but not Salamence or Umbreon. But then everyone is different. Everyone has different tastes.

Get me. I like Lugia, Zapdos, Suicune, Jumpluff, the Eeveelutions... but my six great favourites are the ones in my trainer card. Misdreavus for her design, that funky hair, for being the original Perish Trapper and because of her learning Zap Cannon in G/S/C. Persian for being the original Slashing Demoness and looking the most catlike out of any feline looking Pokemon. Latias is there cause of being to date the only female Legendary, having IMO an adorable battle cry, looking fantastic in 3D, her ability... and because she makes red look damn good. Scizor has always had a good design... again he makes red look good... and he also looks great in 3D. Hell, I even enjoy the fact that he's overshadowed by Scyther. I get kicks in that.

Now we go onto Sneasel and Cradily. Cradily is easily the best fossil out there. Great defences, good ability, owns with holding Leftovers and using Ingrain, good lasting/tanking power, the most colourful of the fossils... and again, awesome battle cry and 3D animation. Sneasel... my "darling" Sharp Claw. Fell in love upon seeing it's G/S sprite in a magazine and loved its typing of Dark/Ice. Then I caught Ess outside Mt Silver on Pokemon Silver, raised her to level 100 and the obsession grew from there. Sneasel also has good attack power, good speed, looks bleeping fantastic in both the GBA and in 3D... and I love to raise them. Come on, I have 77 in Emerald, 12 in Leaf Green, 2 on Silver...

But lets get to the point. Yes, i'll freely admit to being biased towards my top 6 and EXTREMELY biased towards Sneasel and Cradily... of course i'm going to be, they are my favourites. Yet at the same time i'm not stupid. Scizor is very much owned by Fire and Sneasel by Fighting. Putting Persian against Registeel or Groudon isn't going to go in favour of the Classy Cat and Misdreavus is now slightly inferior to Gengar.

I will however, stand up for what they are good at or what cannot be changed. If people hate on Sneasel's Dark/Ice typing then they better hate on all the other Pokemon with a 4x weakness to a type. If people hate on Misdreavus cause they look feminine then for Hells sake just capture a female Misdreavus. Again with Sneasel, people diss her for not having the staying power, dismissing her as a OHKO against EVERY type. No... just Fighting. I will gladly prove that to you as well if I could.

To wrap this up... i'm not "jumping on the bandwagon", I couldn't give a crap if a Pokemon is borderline, uber or just downright useless. My favourites are my favourites because of reasons other than their fanbases. So people are annoyed at me because of my defending of Sneasel, Cradily, Scizor, Latias, Persian and Misdreavus. Again... they are my favourites. Of course i'm going to stick up for them. Yet as previously said... I KNOW they have weaknesses. To stick up for Sneasel's Special Attack... ptttttt.

If people go rabid over Charizard, Blissey or Salamence then let them. Same with people who get their kicks from using Pokemon like Masquerain.

As a generalization to everyone with no offence to a particular person... not everyone is going to like what you like. Please get over it. I for one am not on Serebii to make everyone a fan of Sneasel and ditch the Ledendaries.
 

Moonlight.

Well-Known Member
Just leave it alone. Let people like what they want to like, and dislike what they want to dislike. Like AJ Flibble, I find most OUs boring and unattractive in design (with a few exceptions like Heracross, Raikou...), and most of my favs are BL, UU and NU. The thing is, I, and I'm sure most other people, chose their favourites before they had any idea of how they did competetively.

And, I read the whole post, what WAS your point? Before everyone liked OUs and now a lot of people like UUs? Isn't that better than before? People are finally realising that Pokemon don't have to be brilliant in battle to be their favs.
 

JONNO.FRESH

Well-Known Member
Yea i agree.
I use Pokemon that i like and i dont care about stats cause in game is the only thing i can do and i dont care about Move Pools either. I'll use Phanpy as an example, It cant learn Rock Slide. I dont go round complaining. I just give him the next best thing. In this case Ancient Power.

Anyway People shouldnt use Blissy or Dragonite cause everyone else uses them. They should use the Free Will God Gave them
 

Tropical Spirit

YAY! Original>You =3
ReallyOcean said:
I'm not going to read all of it, because I kind of see where you're going with it.
You shot yourself in the foot right there. :\ I guess I'm gona use your logic and ignore the rest of your post, too. :D

Moonlight. said:
Just leave it alone. Let people like what they want to like, and dislike what they want to dislike. Like AJ Flibble, I find most OUs boring and unattractive in design (with a few exceptions like Heracross, Raikou...), and most of my favs are BL, UU and NU. The thing is, I, and I'm sure most other people, chose their favourites before they had any idea of how they did competetively.

And, I read the whole post, what WAS your point? Before everyone liked OUs and now a lot of people like UUs? Isn't that better than before? People are finally realising that Pokemon don't have to be brilliant in battle to be their favs.
The problem is thatn people are hating OU pokemon for no real reason whatsoever. >__>; You have to face that some pokemon are better than others. Just because you like Quagsire it doesn't mean that Nintendo will make Swampert explode just because of that. Some pokemon are better than others, and some people are hating the "better" pokemon now only because they're... better. That increased with the ant-char wars, and they made it finally grow into a trend. Many people hate popular pokemon only because they're popular (As can be seen in the linked thread here AND by anyone who has common sense, really. Remember that "Charizard fans unite over that cliff" thing?), while others don't really "like" UU pokemon, and only claim to do so because it's "in".

And AJ, there was really no need for that rant. C. Blizz and I only expressed our point of view and didn't really ask for anyone to agree or anything else. We never said there weren't actual UU fans who hated most OUs, hell, my best e-friend is somewhat of one. We just think that hating OUs only beacsue they pwn your precious pokemon or because they're OU is really pointless, and kind of immature. :\ And anyone can see that the fad we pointed out IS happening. C. Blizz didn't attack you or anything, and you really overreacted with your post. >__>;
 
Last edited:

Komedic Konservationist

N00b in the dungeon!
AJ Flibble said:
I'm going to be flamed and accused of "jumping on this bandwagon" when that is not ****ing right at all since this rant is most likely directed at me most of all.

True, I may generally prefer the underrated and underused Pokemon, but to me, the crappier Pokemon often have the coolest designs. Maybe, overratedness does turn me off a Pokemon, but I still dislike Charizard due to it's generic design (not so much now I must say, but still) and Scyther, due to the typical ninja scythes with no originality whatsoever.

I DO like popular Pokemon too. Umbreon, Lugia, Kingdra, I like them because I like their designs. I fell in love with Umbreon the first time I saw it. Back in 2001, when I first got Silver. I fell in love with Lugia, due to it's overall (IMO) awesome design, signature move and the "guardian of the sea" thing it has going on. I like Kingdra due to it being the only Dragon I've used and enjoyed, and it's humbleness for such a great being (and wicked cool design, IMO).

Now Blissey. Admittedly, it's design isn't that bad. But there is no logical reason as to why it's overpowered, as KK would know.

But generally, most Pokemon I like, such as Machamp, Victreebel, Typhlosion, are all useable, besides Dewgong who is barely useable I will admit, but still, they happen to be underrated, and at the time, and still now, I get a kick out of backing the underdog. For being different, since I have been different to others in my tastes since the beggining of time. The only reason I complain about Dewgong not being useable - not because I'm biased (well, partly), but because it was a missed opportunity. It was NEARLY useable, and then any chances of that were snatched away. Same with Pinsir not getting a decent Bug move, for instance. GameFreak show favouritism (the Red bais again, for instance) towards certain Pokemon. Blissey was already overpowered in GSC, but now, it got 2 insane abilities, an even better version of Heal Bell, and lots of other things. All I would ask is for a little more balance in general.

In closing, I do not ****ing join fads, I have never done, never will do, and have been a fan of somewhat underrated Pokemon such as Machamp (since ****ing 1998) for ages, and occasionally develop a liking for other shafted Pokemon due to them ironically having the best designs (Dewgong, Magcargo etc.) and I DO take this personally since often, anything like this has been in my experience personal, and for no good reason.

Why I like Dewgong? I wanted a Water/Ice type in my team, and I liked Dewgong's style the most. Why I like Machamp? It's strong, has four arms, and is the final form of Machop, the first Pokemon I liked because it was cute. Typhlosion? First starter in Silver, and cool IMO. Lanturn? Decent type combo, something I just simply wanted to train. In that case I liked it due to usefulness, bu those events are few and far between. Heck, Kingdra was a filler in one of my teams, but then I liked it. Same with Kangaskhan.

So, FINALLY, if anybody accuses me of having joined a fad and being something I'm not, they can go **** themselves for all I care since I am not false, not the same as everyone else and certainly, CERTAINLY NOT joining a bandwagon. It's how I've always been. Anyone who disagrees with that statement should have it drilled into their skull until they ****ing bleed.

The ****ing end. I can't sodding believe I've had to go this far and curse so much to get a point across. But people always get the wrong idea about me and I will NOT take being accused of joining a bandwagon.

MORE EDITS: I am not trying to make everyone a Machamp fan, a Dewgong fan, whatever. I'm just trying to get people to acknowledge that there ARE other decent Pokemon outside of the OU circuit and make people realise Pokemon like Qwilfish and Raticate are actually quite good. Heck, people still think Tentacruel sucks since it's the evolved form of a common Pokemon. Ha. They'd be wrong. People say Tentacruel's underrated, but I don't find that true anymore, since nearly everyone knows how it's actually quite good. I still like it though - it looks insanely badass.

I don't use legendaries on my teams. Why? Because I frown upon them? (some people think yes actually) No! Because there's no room! Lugia may be my favourite legendary, but there's too many other Pokemon I really like and so Lugia ends up not being on the team. Plus, it's more challenging to go through the game without - as the game's already pathetically easy. it's why I'm doing the Normal monotype challenge on Blue. And it's been a blast. As well as underrated Pokemon, I get kicks out of using Pokemon nobody I know of has ever used, or I have never used before, such as Kangaskhan and Raticate. No, my favourites aren't perfect. None are. Typhlosion's movepool is pretty small. Machamp is goddam slow. Dewgong sucks to be honest. Victreebel has no defenses to speak of. And others such as Raticate are going to get owned very quickly - but not without them losing half their health. That is beastly.

Now, this is slowly going off-topic here, and I'm going to try and close this post without editing it again (let's see how far I go!) and just say, once again, I'm in no bandwagon, just because I like underrated Pokemon, and am not going to force you to like Pokemon I like (although Evanji Axu has developed a liking for Dewgong, but that's not my fault... is it?), just to accept that I like them without being ridiculed.
While you have braught up some very important points, I do believe it's unfair to say that CB was targeting all people who enjoy and appreciate UU Pokemon, when there is nothing to suggest that he was.
CB himself adores UU Pokemon; he just dosn't like how liking Pokemon because no one else does has become a trend amongst SOME members. (Note that I said some, not all)
 

AJ Flibble

Emohawk
Then... what was the point then if you didn't want a response one way or another? Overreacted, maybe. But I defended myself just incase it WAS targeted at me at all.

I don't hate OUs. I don't hate those that the design isn't to my liking because they're better than my favourites. Not at all. I dislike the ones that do for their designs.

Face it. I'm a fan of underrated Pokemon, for IMO theyhave better designs generally. However I can accept that many Pokemon are better. I don't dislike them simply for being better than my favourites - the rant was necessary.
 

Kalosian

So long
IMO, pokemon should not be shared in different classes, like OU, UU, BL etc. But that's just my how i feel.

I like Ledian btw, and that's not becouse of it's stats. I like it becouse it's cool IMO.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top