Red/Blue Orb Poll

[Coronis]

Ok, some of you have probably heard of the Red/Blue Orb inconsistency in the recent PokeSpecial volumes. As it would create tremendous confusion to readers who only read the summaries (actually to people who do read the comics also ), I've set up this poll to get everyone's choice on how the summaries on the site should handle these orbs.

Now, let's begin by the artwork of the two orbs. In the manga, the two orbs are depicted in two different ways:
1) one with electric-current/stormy like pattern
2) one with fragmented/earthcrust like pattern

What we are certain of is, the stormy one has powers to control Kyogre, while the earthcrust one has powers to control Groudon. There's no dispute about this. But here's the problem, the stormy one is sometimes referred to as the Red Orb, and sometimes as the Blue Orb. The same happens to the earthcrust one.

This means there are currently two colour schemes:
1) Stormy=Red, Earthcrust=Blue
2) Stormy=Blue, Earthcrust=Red


Evidence that supports the scheme 1:
1) Chapter 229: When the orbs are first showcased in the pillars at Mr. Pyre, the old couple are describing the orbs, and the word Red Orb is placed next to the stormy one while the word Blue Orb is placed next to the earthcrust one
2) at the special feature section of volume 20, where stones and orbs are discussed, the caption for the earthcrust one says Blue Orb, and the caption for the stormy one says Red Orb
3) Chapter 259: the stormy orb has entered the body of Sapphire while the earthcrust one has entered the body of Ruby. When Ruby tells Sapphire to expel the orb from her body, he says 'can you take the Red Orb out from your body for a moment?'
4) evidence from the GBA games: in the games, Maxie took the Blue Orb to control Groudon, while Archie took the Red Orb to control Kyogre


Evidence that supports the scheme 2:
1) Chapter 234: When Maxie is about to use the orbs at the Seafloor Cavern, the moment he mentioned the orbs, he says Red Orb and Blue Orb, and in the picture, the earthcrust one appears before the stormy one
2) Chapter 236: When the Mt. Pyre old couple explains the orbs to Winona and Sapphire, they say Blue and Red Orb, for controlling Kyogre and Groudon. Also, the placement of words and artworks also suggest that the stormy is Blue and the earthcrust is Red
3) Chapter 242: When Sean steals the stormy orb from Tabitha for Archie, more than once they remark that they are stealing the Blue Orb to control Kyogre
4) Chapter 248: When Rbby and Sapphire are about to retrieve the orbs from Maxie and Archie. The screen showing Maxie and the earthcrust orb reads 'the Red Orb that controls Groudon', and the screen showing Archie and the stormy orb reads 'the Blue Orb that controls Kyogre'
5) also, evidence from games: in a way, you can argue that Maxie took the wrong orb (Blue) so he couldn't control Groudon, and Archie also took the wrong one so he couldn't control Kyogre, coz in the manga, both men did manage to control both titans for a while

So, very long pararaphs. Just to gather your opnions. Of course, if the writers one day realize their mistake and either give an explanation to the inconsistency, or standardize it, we'll follow their way. But until then, I'll follow the majority's opinion.



Coronis~

 

[Jade]

I still a bit confused but I voted for the first option anyways.

 

[Shadowcat]

I say the Second Option.

Blue=Water (Something like that... Blue is usually the color of water)
Storm=Related to Water Cycle

Red=Fire (Magma, Larva... Etc...)
Earthcrust=Related to the Earth Surface etc...

So... I say that 'cause you know... Earth is for Groudon, Storms are for Kyogre... So... I'll go with that...

 

[RED1992]

well i'm not exactly sure cuz mine's flipped and it's hard to tell when everything's black and white.

 

[Jade]

hmm looks like Stormy Orb = Blue Orb, Earthcrust Orb = Red Orb is the winner.

 

[undisputed_seraphim]

Nah, I prefer the reverse. Stormy = Red, Earthcrust = Blue. It sort of keeps the power of each other in balance, see?

 

[Jash Thor]

I agree. I say Stormy=Red, Earthcrust=Blue. Not only is that parallel with the games. Also it's fairly evident in your post Coronis. The evidence supporting scheme 1 is all solid, spoken proof, as in someone saying "this is that..." where as your proof for the second scheme is half speculation based on artwork and dialogue, while in actuality neither of the names were being specifically assigned to the orbs.

I'm big on sticking close to the game, and that opposite color scheme was how it worked in R/S. So I say that.

 

[Flaze]

When I played the game, I was confused with the colours of the orbs.
Earthcrust Orb should be Red, while Stormy is Blue.

But I guess the reverse since that is how the game goes.

 

[Coronis]

I agree. I say Stormy=Red, Earthcrust=Blue. Not only is that parallel with the games. Also it's fairly evident in your post Coronis. The evidence supporting scheme 1 is all solid, spoken proof, as in someone saying "this is that..." where as your proof for the second scheme is half speculation based on artwork and dialogue, while in actuality neither of the names were being specifically assigned to the orbs.

I'm big on sticking close to the game, and that opposite color scheme was how it worked in R/S. So I say that.

Actually the evidence supporting scheme 2 are spoken proof as well, especially (3), where Archie stole the stormy orb from Maxie and he said 'So this is the Blue Orb which controls Kyogre'.

This happens to (4) as well, since it was Ruby and Sapphire who said 'So that is the Red Orb that controls Groudon and that is the Blue Orb that controls Kyogre'.

Judging from this two alone, it's quite well established that the Blue Orb controls Kyogre, and the Red Orb controls Groudon.

For scheme 1, on the contrary, evidence can only point to the fact that the stormy orb is red, and the earthcrust orb is blue, never specifying the Red Orb controls Kyogre, or the Blue Orb controls Groudon.

One more valid point supporting scheme 1 that I should add though, is that all the latest chapters are supporting this scheme, so this might well be the writer's final decision on the matter if they have actually realized this inconsistency.



Coronis~

 

[~*Myuu the Ryuu*~]

i think Stormy Orb = Red Orb, Earthcrust Orb = Blue Orb because of the reasons that coronis already listed, but also in the anime archie controlled kyogre with the red orb. we didn't see the blue orb in action but no doubt it could have the same effect on groudon.

speaking of the orbs: does anybody know what the blue orb does to kyogre and the red orb to groudon? In Ru/Sa they are used on kyogre and groudon in the cave or origin...

 

[eievui]

Stormy=Red, Earthcrust=Blue, since the manga is supposed to really stick to the games.
And in R/S/E this is what it was?
Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Coronis]

Ok, as I've said in my first post, there really are valid reasons and proofs on both sides, but the final decision is still up to the writers.

In the newest RSE chapter, they seem to have changed the inconsistency back. At the very beginning, earthcrust=red and stormy=blue, but in vol. 21, earthcrust became blue and stormy became red. Now, earthcrust is reverted back to red again, and stormy is changed back to blue.

I guess this might be the writer's final decision on the matter.


Coronis~