And this comes from your fingers. You are so biased you think Red has a higher chance to get into SSBB than even Blaziken.
Words in my mouth. I've never even said Red has a small chance, let alone a great one. In fact, I don't think that he has much of a chance at all. Characters that people support don't necessarily have to have the best chance. There is a difference between saying he "should be" in and he "will be" in. <_<
And also, I'm currently fifteen, I'm in the fourth grade (the third last grade where people are 15/16) of a Gymnasium (the hardest school type of the country I live, where Latin and Greek are obliged) and according to the national IQ test, I have an IQ of 135. I also have a debate with my sister ofter about stuff like politics, religion, death penalty and discrimination.
And also, I don't know if you sometimes watch political debates on tv, but there they hardly ever insult eachother.
I wasn't talking about your intelligence, I was talking about your attitude. You came in here right off the bat and started saying I was wrong about things I never even said. They never insult each other, eh? Then why did you insult Pokemanêaco Desesperado? If you would have just posted your reasons in a nice way, not acting as if your word is absolute, we wouldn't even be debating right now. I'm alright with people having different opinions than mine, as long as they can be civil about it and not act like a petulant little kid.
Ness was the default name if you didn't want to choose your own name. He was also called Ness in instruction manuals. Red had four different names to pick from if you didn't want to pick your own name. Before G/S/C, he was also most often called Ash in instruction manuals.
There were many default names for Ness, Ness was just the first one it would choose, just as Red was the first available one in Pokémon Red. Red wasn't called anything in the instruction manual, and some of the strategy guides called him Ash because his name hadn't become canon yet.
Yet you don't even try to proof otherwise. I already gave many, many reasons why trainers aren't nearly as important as Pokémon. I suggest you try to give reasons for why trainers are as important as Pokémon.
I didn't try because its pointless. If you would go so far to say that its actually the pokemon who are the ones running around the caves and catching other pokémon, there is absolutely nothing I can say to disuade you. Not listening to what the other person says is not arguing. Making blatantly obviously biased LIES is not arguing.
ou want reasons? How about the fact that every main character in the series is a trainer. How about the fact that the concept of the game revolves completely around you playing the role of a trainer(RPG, Role Playing Game, get it?), not a pokémon. Whether or not the trainer's role in battle is visible on the tiny game screen, it is still there and is the whole premise of the game.
If trainers are not important, then why do they bother bringing back the old ones, like Red and Blue, for fights in future games? Why is it that Red was chosen to appear in Pokémon Battle Revolution(in the trailer at least). If there's nothing important about trainers, why should they use a classic one and not one of the more current ones?
Can you honestly say that The protagonist of the game is not an important character? Seriously.
There's something different about Red. Nintendo just won't let him go. Red has appeared in all three current generations and according to the PBR trailer, he's in 4th gen too. They featured him as a protagonist and a boss, not just that, the most powerful boss in the games, ever. They made Red a figure in the pokémon Trading Figure Game, however odd the concept is. Red and the other Gen 1 characters(though Red was really the only big change), got redesigned. No other characters in the series have ever had that happen to them. I'm not saying that Red is going to be the new mascot or something, but doesn't it seem strange that they would lend so much attention to one character if he was so unimportant?
Please note that every reference I've made here is FACTUAL. I'm not saying that trainers are more important than pokémon. But if you could even accept that trainers are 1/4 as important as pokémon(though they're really at least 1/2), it doesn't seem so ridiculous to add one trainer after four straight pokémon.
The makers of Metroid and Zelda tried to make the games more serious and adult. Using the name of the main character, like Mario, gives the game a kiddy image. But using a name like The Legend of Zelda, or using the name of the most important enemy race where the game is all about gives the game a more serious image.
I'm not seeing how this relates to Pokémon.
The story turns around a Pokémon who used to be a human. It doesn't matter what he used to be, it matter that he now is a Pokémon.
Except that the story wouldn't happen if he wasn't really a human-turned-pokémon. The fact that it is a human is the whole idea that the game is based around.
And you don't have to act like a trainer. You don't catch Pokémon do you? No, you fight Pokémon yourself and try to make them join your group of Pokémon.
You still get into pokémon battles and have a pokémon team. Pokémon, on their own, never band together and team up to face other pokemon teams. This competition is part of what the human element brings to the games.
It doesn't matter that the main character used to be a human, since the main character now is a Pokémon and therefore the game has proven that these games don't need humans to be succesfull.
A. You are just making an assumtion, the game hasn't even come out yet, we don't know if its a success or not.
B. The game will only be successful(if we follow your assumption) on the fame that was generated be the main series, you know, the games with the trainers.
And canon or not, the game is about purely about Pokémon without trainers and there is no reason you can give against that.
Yeah, there's nothing I can give against that, because I don't deny facts like you do. However there is also nothing you can say against the
fact that the main series revolves around the adventures of
trainers in a world full of pokemon.
Suitable, not. Wanted, a bit. But not in my case. What I do, is look at what characters are most suggested in different places and most importantly, I look at the reactions to that. Like with Meowth. First, even I didn't think of him. But when he got suggested in the SSBB thread, I saw that everybody, including me, saw what a great character Meowth could be and how gigantic his popularity is. After that, nearly everybody there added Meowth to their wanted list and most people even put him at the top of the wanted Pokémon list.
EXACTLY!! You are basing your view of characters suitablility COMPLETELY on opinion. A character's "suitablity" is a non existant factor because nothing can prevent a character from having a moveset. You just can't see the possibilities. Plus, what you have just said(and what you say next) is a complete exaggeration. That doesn't work on people with experience in these types of debates like me. XD
With Red, on the other hand, when he was suggested everybody unaminous said how he didn't have any potential to being a fighter. Liturally everybody thought he was just a normal human with no special abilities and no fighting skills and that he therefore wasn't suited for a fighting game like SSB. Even Peach has special powers and fought in multiple games before SSBM. Red just lacks the ability to fight.
The joke's on you, buddy, I did a sweep of all of the Red topics last night, and 51.3% of the responders want to see Red in SSBB. Only 38.2% didn't want Red(The rest didn't care or couldn't decide.) Its hardly unanimous. Why are you lying?
And you say he has a large arsenal of highly advanced stuff. The only advanced things he has are a Pokéball and a Pokédex. And still, Red can't jump (high), he can't punch or kick, he simply can not battle without his Pokémon.
The bolded things are your assumptions. Red has a large arsenal. Red has poké balls, specially designed containment balls. He's got the Super Rod, which
is advanced, how many poles do you know that could let an 11-year-old reel in 500 pound monsters. Red's bike is specially designed to be able to be pulled out and put away almost immediately. It's foldable, it doesn't get more advanced that that. ^_^ Advanced doesn't always have to be technology. Repel is a very potent product, it can keep monsters from being able to come near you. His running shoes use special compressed air to boost his running speed.
I've mentioned 5 things Red could use in SSBB(and did in my moveset, not to mention that there are many more). Link has 4 things in his arsenal in SSBB, yet you praise it and belittle Red. When you consider that Red has another arsenal still to draw from(one with 386 possibilities), Red has enough move potential for several characters. Might I remind you, that while Falcon was a Bounty Hunter, he had absolutely NO move potential. Red does.
And since it is impossible to let him summon his Pokémon for even the smallest attack, Red can not appear in SSBB.
WHY DO
YOU GET TO DECIDE THIS?!
It is funny how you say that I'm biased, while you say that Red, a character that is not popular, not able to fight and heavily critisised every single time he got suggested, is likely to get in, while Dedede, a very popular character, that is very capable of fighting and heavily supported by both the makers and the players of this game, is very unlikely to get in.
Why does every person that I debate this with shove words in my mouth? Check the whole topic, check every topic or message I have ever posted on the internet. I have never said that Red is likely for SSBB. I have never even said anything good about his chances. Quite the contrary, everything I do say about his chances are bad. Don't make assumptions.
You are the biased one. Accepting the facts that you like, but ignoring all of the others is as biased as anything. You see what YOU want in pokemon, then ignore the fact that trainers might have any significance.
Please, try to open your eyes and look at the facts.
Okay, why don't you get some facts instead of making them up? I'll look at them once they're presented.
Deku Boy, I know you REALLY want Red to be in SSBB, but face it, it just isn't likely he'll show up as a playable character.
Yeah, I realized that about two years ago when I first started thinking about it. It's everyone else who can't seem to accept that I don't think Red WILL be in SSBB
