Regarding EV training.

[PokeMaster JOE]

Is this a good idea? I have just battled the Elite 4 trying to level up my wonderfully outstanding in abilitie remoroid which has now evolved into Octillery, just so i can easily kill wild pokemon(spinda) while EV' training in Sp.Attack. And now i am going to use the berries that reduce the other stats, which i got from the elite 4, apart from sp.attack. I am then going to use as many calciums as possible to raise sp.attack.
And then i will fight spinda's or any other sp.attack raising pokemon using the macho brace until its finished and then going to see the lady in slateport who gives you a ribbon if so.
Is this how you would EV train, or should i approach it another way??
Thanks.

 

[Sssjim]

Sounds like a good plan. I would also try to pick up a pokevirus if you could. An infected pokemon holding a macho brace only has to battle 39 spinda to max out your special attack (assuming you give it 10 calcium to start with 100 effort points).

Anyway, good luck with your training and have fun!

Jim

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

Is this a good idea? I have just battled the Elite 4 trying to level up my wonderfully outstanding in abilitie remoroid which has now evolved into Octillery, just so i can easily kill wild pokemon(spinda) while EV' training in Sp.Attack. And now i am going to use the berries that reduce the other stats, which i got from the elite 4, apart from sp.attack. I am then going to use as many calciums as possible to raise sp.attack.
And then i will fight spinda's or any other sp.attack raising pokemon using the macho brace until its finished and then going to see the lady in slateport who gives you a ribbon if so.
Is this how you would EV train, or should i approach it another way??
Thanks.

Oh, the way I go about EV training, first I would get 10 calciums and feed the octillery. I get my lvl100 latios with dragonbreath, and I attach the exp share to the octillery. I go around dragonbreathing 152 spindas. This way you can save berries. Once your done with special attack you still have one other stat to raise. I see that octillery has "hopeless" speed, and both special defense and defense have the same base stats. Maybe max it's special defense since water types only have special weaknesses? The rest of the 6 Ev points left can go to defence for fun =p

 

[Titusz]

what (common) pokemon gives lots of sp.def points?

 

[draco draco]

tentacool = 1 (2 whit macho brace, very veek against psychic moves)

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

what (common) pokemon gives lots of sp.def points?

Duskull. However, as I found out the hard way when training my kyogre in special defence, he gives both def and spdef Evs 1 point each. The next best to common pokemon is tentacool. He is very common in FR/LG, but a pain in RS since you get those darn wingulls more often. Only one place where it is pure tentacools(if im not wrong)is the abandoned ship water. The really small area of water which is the part to dive to get deeper. I find myself getting out of the water often. If you want to train special defence, I suggest you trade your pokemon over to FRLG for faster training, in a way.

 

[Expert Evan]

what (common) pokemon gives lots of sp.def points?

There's an area with lots of swablu/lotad/lombre in emerald, can also setup secret bases with ludicolos or dustox for 36 points each trip.

 

[PokeMaster JOE]

Ok thanks all, i never knew exp.share gives you the EV's aswell.

 

[Clouds]

There's an area with lots of swablu/lotad/lombre in emerald, can also setup secret bases with ludicolos or dustox for 36 points each trip.

I notice you might get seedot and nuzleaf though... Can you tell me how much Evs each give? If not i'll look lol

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

Ok thanks all, i never knew exp.share gives you the EV's aswell.

Yep, any pokemon getting experience from a pokemon will gain EVs of that pokemon. So you can basically get a whole team exp share holders to cut time. Also, you can try to attach a macho brace to your octillery instead. Switch it in front of spinda, and kill it with a lvl100 or something. You will get 2 points for your trouble. Real troublesome but faster.

 

[Powerful_Blaziken88]

I notice you might get seedot and nuzleaf though... Can you tell me how much Evs each give? If not i'll look lol

On emerald Nuzleaf has a 1% appearance rate so it's not a big problem. And just run if it ever shows up, unless you don't have one, in which case I sure hope you catch it lol.
And on ruby, well since there are no Lotad or Lombre, the place isn't a very good Sp. Def training area anyway. It's more suited for attack (Nuzleaf and Zangoose appearing somewhat commonly).

 

[b-i-gaskme]

special defence should be battled in the water, blow the White flute and surf, when tentacool comes up, kill it.

I prefer to do this: Trade pokemon to Leaf Green and battle the league (with the pokemon you want to train holding Exp Share), once its level 50, trade back and give it Grepa, kelpsy berries until each stat (HP, Attack, Defence, Sp Attack, Sp. Defence and Speed) all say: X pokemon turned friendly, its Xstat can't fall! Then start Evving it (macho brace)

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

special defence should be battled in the water, blow the White flute and surf, when tentacool comes up, kill it.

I prefer to do this: Trade pokemon to Leaf Green and battle the league (with the pokemon you want to train holding Exp Share), once its level 50, trade back and give it Grepa, kelpsy berries until each stat (HP, Attack, Defence, Sp Attack, Sp. Defence and Speed) all say: X pokemon turned friendly, its Xstat can't fall! Then start Evving it (macho brace)

The best idea is to sweet scent them to come. White flute and black flute are lousy, no real effect really.

I dont like that kind of idea. You might as well start EV-ing it at lvl5, when once your done, you got no worries. and can kill anything you like. That is a terrible waste of berries.

 

[b-i-gaskme]

I'm lazy, I don't have time to train it slow, switching and what not. Those berries are picked everyday, I just plant them water once and get them the next day and voila! Two! Plus people like that girl in Sootropolis and Berry Master gives those out everyday, there is no waste. And as for worries, well you are a retard if you get it wrong, its so easy, keep feeding it berries till it says it's stat can't fall, and that way, its level 50 and its OHKO all ev pokemon so 2 evs everytime, no calculations, no switching and wasting time and no wasting time and no wasting time.

EDIT: how the f. is it a waste? Even though you will have to feed it heaps, at least its happiness goes up heaps, and after a little bit of EVing, it evolves into crobat/blissey/umbreon/espeon/etc or you teach it Return and its all smooth sailing, stop saying stupid stuff.

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

I'm lazy, I don't have time to train it slow, switching and what not. Those berries are picked everyday, I just plant them water once and get them the next day and voila! Two! Plus people like that girl in Sootropolis and Berry Master gives those out everyday, there is no waste. And as for worries, well you are a retard if you get it wrong, its so easy, keep feeding it berries till it says it's stat can't fall, and that way, its level 50 and its OHKO all ev pokemon so 2 evs everytime, no calculations, no switching and wasting time and no wasting time and no wasting time.

EDIT: how the f. is it a waste? Even though you will have to feed it heaps, at least its happiness goes up heaps, and after a little bit of EVing, it evolves into crobat/blissey/umbreon/espeon/etc or you teach it Return and its all smooth sailing, stop saying stupid stuff.

Of course im not a retard enough to tell whether all the EVs are gone from the pokemon obviously. When I say "no worries" I meant, once your done with all the EV training s***, you have no more worries and its already "smooth sailing".

Your idea is also possible to EV train, but I believe berries like the hondew kind take like 8 hours to grow, and plus you need to get for every kind since sidney gives attack, phoebe gives both def and spdef for her ghost pokemon... I just feel its a waste of berries. You have to fight the elite four like 3-5 times to get it to lvl50, you need time for the berries to sprout, you still need to waste 2-4 minutes to get the berries crammed into your pokemon, and now after all that, you start to EV train with a macho brace and come out with a pokemon with max happiness at lvl50.

I start out immediately EV training on the spindas with a lvl100 killing the spindas. Then I just go on to my secondary stat, and work on that. It would take me at least 8 hours to complete, and im free to do any other stuff with this fully trained pokemon. After which I can take 3 trips to the elite four to get it to lvl50 and exactly the same result as you, which would take me like, 1 hour and 15 minutes more?

Assuming you started out planting the berries for 12 hours and going off to kill the elite four while they sprout which will take 2 hours to finish 5 trips, you will have alot of time on your hands waiting for them after you successfully got the poke to lvl50. After the 12th hour you go and collect them, feed them to your pokemon, and finally start to EV train with a macho brace. You will be faster, cutting time into half which means you do it in 4 hours.

So we can arrive at the same result:Lvl50 pokemon fully EV trained and max happiness.

I would take about 10 hours to finish my EV training and then finally letting it fight the elite four with the help of an exp share.
You have to wait 12 hours for the berries to sprout or maybe more or less than that. But while you do so, you train your poke against the elite4, and have nothing to do with the remaining hours except wait. You couldnt start with your EV training since it would be messed up and you need more berries. After you feed the berries, you got to EV train it, taking only 4 hours since you have a Macho brace. So in total you would take 14-16 hours since you had to wait for the berries to sproutI would take at least 12 hours in total. 10 hours to EV train it, and the last 2 hours to take its level up to the same as you.

So conclusion:
Unless you grew your berries beforehand, I would have completed my training faster than you. I decided to take into account the time taken to grow the berries, otherwise it would seem you just got them out of thin air. So you can see that my method(i think most of the people who ev train)is more efficient since you dont need to use berries. Your method needs time to grow berries, and if you say that you got them free, I might as well start my training the very second you got the berry from I-dont-know-who.

 

[vcbdtm]

Oh, the way I go about EV training, first I would get 10 calciums and feed the octillery. I get my lvl100 latios with dragonbreath, and I attach the exp share to the octillery. I go around dragonbreathing 152 spindas. This way you can save berries. Once your done with special attack you still have one other stat to raise. I see that octillery has "hopeless" speed, and both special defense and defense have the same base stats. Maybe max it's special defense since water types only have special weaknesses? The rest of the 6 Ev points left can go to defence for fun =p

you mean 1 stat can only max till 252 and a total of 510 to train?

 

[MetalMario]

The max that any EV can take on is 255, but 252 has an identical impact on your Pokémon's stats, so an extra effort level can be pinched out by using 252. (hence, the infamous 252/252/6 splits).

What I do for effort training is I use PP consumption to count the number of enemies I've killed. Say I'm using Thunderbolt with 15PP, and my guy has Pokérus and the Macho Brace. For every trip to the Pokécenter, I hadd 60 points to my EV tally. Once I reach 240, I'm careful to only kill 3 enemies, then add the last 12 points for 252. The same applies for different target effort levels, and for different/multiple moves used together. It's dependent on being to OHKO any wild Pokémon you see, so you'll often need to Rare Candy the first few levels.

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

It's dependent on being to OHKO any wild Pokémon you see, so you'll often need to Rare Candy the first few levels.

I rather people use a exp-share and use a lvl100 with a 100 accuracy move that has good pp. Its more efficient and you just need to keep track. No rare candies or EV-reducing berries, just an exp share and there you go. Its tough getting candies, and while you hunt for candies with your zigzagoons you could have used a lvl100 pokemon to help EV train them fully in one stat in the average time it takes to stack up 25candies so it will be lvl30 to:

OHKO

Vcbdtm:I think Mario got the point through. But if I can explain a little more, here you go. For every 4Effort points you get, you will have 1 point extra to your-stat-here. 252/4 = 63, which is just nice. However if you put all 255 in a stat. It will be 255/4 = 63 R3 or 63.75 which will be rounded down to 63. So it is wiser to put the remaining 6 points in any stat you liek to really maximize training. You might wanna go for more creative spreads though. like 60/60/120/15/255 in different stats.

 

[vcbdtm]

ok,what you mean is it that you can train a stat to a maximum of 255 but its better to train only to 252?

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

ok,what you mean is it that you can train a stat to a maximum of 255 but its better to train only to 252?

Well, its ... slightly better. You will just have wasted 1 point of a stat. But important nonetheless. In speed, every point counts. In defence/special defence it might not make a difference sometimes.

Unless you go for a "creative spread" like 152 in speed, 168 in special attack, 80 defence and 80 special defence and 30 attack. Added up its 510 so its all good.
Anyway why have creative spreads? Oh it might mean being alive or fainted. For example, ___'s standard is 252/252/6 in special attack/speed/hp. If ___ gives defence some Evs and sacrifices some speed, he might have survived somebody's attack. Not rather useful, but useful nonetheless sometimes. Like giving alakazam special defence to survive a rainy dayed-surf from a kingdra. No matter how much speed you give, rainy day will have kingdra faster in rain, unless alakazam got speed baton passed from somebody. So it would be better to be a little extra defensive for such cases.