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Religion in today's society

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by Clone™, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. Blackkyurem

    Blackkyurem Well-Known Member

    Finally I found someone who does not just say "Muslims are bad guys becuase Al Queda and Isis". They can be what they want to be. Muslims believe in the same god as Jews and
    Christians, but instead of "God" or "YHWH" they say "Allah". Same rules, same commandments, different religion. I don't think that the religion of Islam is out to get us, as some people
    in the world do.

    re·li·gion
    rəˈlijən/
    noun
    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

    a particular system of faith and worship.

    a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

    I don't see "A terrorist organization set out to eliminate all other religions."

    So I agree with you fully that not all Muslims are bad, and Islam is not a terroristic religion.
     
  2. Aegiscalibur

    Aegiscalibur Add Witty Title Here

    ...But if those people's actions are motivated by religion and these actions are in line with the moral dogmas of their religion, are you really saying religion played no part in it?

    They may be of the same religion on paper, but do they take their religious texts seriously?
     
  3. Sadib

    Sadib Time Lord Victorious

    You're so edgy for claiming that all religions are false and for bypassing the censors. #sarcasm

    If we are going to condemn Islam, we have to condemn Judaism and Christianity also.
     
  4. I think that was a bit uncalled for, to be honest. Look man, I don't condemn all religions as falsehoods to be edgy, but because I'm solidly of the persuasion that the world would better off without them. It's really no different than being passionate about any other cause that can affect someone. Some people fight for trans rights, gay rights, environmental causes, you name it. Fighting and being outspoken against superstition in all it's forms, whether it's all powerful Gods, astrology, numerology, psychic charlatans, etc. just so happens to be my cause. Throwing out an ad hominem like that and assuming my motives are to appear as some sort of bad boy on a pokemon forum is just plain disrespectful. Check yourself next time before you come at me like that, mmkay? If you're referring to my tone being sharp, well, get over it. Wearing kid gloves on this topic isn't my thing.

    I have no shortage of vitriol to aim at Christianity and Judaism, just for the record. I understand that people are nervous that many are going to look at the Charlie Hebdo attacks and use that to demonize all Muslims and reinforce their already existing Islamophobia, and I agree that fear is justified. The attacks are empowering the far right in Europe and that's really scary stuff, but it's not a reason to ignore the apparent religious motivations or make it about something that it wasn't. My point is that liberals, my ilk, are coming out in droves all chomping at the bit to make this an issue not about religion. I'm not cool with that, no one should be. I mean, your post is exactly the kind of thing that I'm talking about. No one was even saying Christianity and Judaism weren't bad for example (or at least, I wasn't), but you had this knee jerk reaction and implied that I was picking on Islam in some fashion. Clearly, other religions have unspeakable acts of violence committed in their name, but the reason why Islam seems to get most of the focus in the 21st century is because most acts of violence are being carried out in the name of that particular religion. It's not my fault that suicide bombers are more prevalent than Christians that bomb abortion clinics, it's not my fault that sizeable chunks of the Muslim population support things like death for apostasy than Jews that support death for working on the Sabbath, and it's not my fault that extreme misogyny is more pronounced in majority Muslim countries than it is anywhere else. Just because it's getting the most attention and receiving the brunt of religious criticism in today's discourse doesn't mean it's being persecuted.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2015
  5. Sadib

    Sadib Time Lord Victorious

    I'm sorry. I honestly thought you were trying to be a Pokémon bad boy. Why else would you bypass the censors?

    You said, "Islam, as well as any religion that sanctions violence or bigotry deserves to be condemned." I just wanted to clarify, for the viewers at home, that Judaism and Christianity are also in that same boat.
     
  6. Darkraiii

    Darkraiii Ball is Life

    I dont care about belifs as long as they arent extreme. Im atheist for the reason of christians are just straight up stupid when it comes to video games. a lot of hardcore christians will think that pokemon (or yugioh, digimon, bakugan, ect.) is satanic brainwashing. ive heard of a petition to outlaw clash of clans, fueled by christians. people take religion too seriously, and it makes me feel like religion is stupid. if a christian that would try to convert me, id say no, because your people make christianity just a reason to try to outlaw my hobbies. like i said, dont care what religion you are, i wont discriminate... unless you worship cresselia... xD
     
  7. Nivinxus

    Nivinxus Active Member

    Just to pop my two cents here. Religion being a variety of ideologies generally makes it hard to abolish from a country without some sort of extreme reform. However, I do believe it possible that it can phase out overtime, maybe in decades or centuries or it would still be prominent as it were now. In my country, any individual has a freedom of choosing whatever religion he or she chooses to practice. So I find it a bit hard to imagine my country or our current society without religion yet.
     
  8. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    My philosophy is that if a belief directly causes oppression or holds back human progress, it should not exist
     

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