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Research Month

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by dragonuser™, Sep 9, 2012.

  1. dragonuser™

    dragonuser™ the greatest crisis

    Research Month: October

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    *Credit to Lunar for the awesome banner

    Purpose:

    With the change from BW1 to BW2, many once potent threats dropped in usage and new threats rose. Currently many people are arguing that BW2 is growing stale and some players are even going as far as saying that there are only 10-15 "usable" teams in the metagame. The purpose of this thread, and challenge, will be to show that BW2 is full of surprises and effective pokemon. Every month your hosts, me and user Makaveli, will post three Pokemon we consider viable in the current metagame, but underappreciated. This challenge will involve teambuilding and laddering, but don't worry if these things can sometimes be difficult. The secondary purpose of this thread is to help new battlers get into teambuilding by offering advice and suggestions. With that being said, feel free to post your teams in the thread asking for suggestions. Likewise if the challenge is easy to you, make an effort to help newer players with their challenge. We as a community are constantly learning, so respect and a good attitude are required.

    The Challenge:

    Every month three Pokemon will be listed by the hosts, and at least one of these Pokemon is required to be on your team. These Pokemon will be very viable in the OU metagame, and this will hopefully inspire some more creativity in everyones day to day teambuilding. Achievements in this tourny will be based on how your team does on the ladder. Both the PS and PO ladder will be acceptable, although different requirements will exist for each ladder. Needless to say, when doing this challenge new alts need to be used by participants. People who achieve high rankings on the ladder will be recorded in the hall of fame, and will be given a reward. When posting ladder achievments, please post a screenshot or "/ranking" of your rank, along with the team you used. By posting the team you used you can serve as an example for other users who may be having some trouble with the challenge. We want to encourage discussion, so if you are having trouble, feel free to post asking for advice. Even if you are doing well try to post; saying what works, what doesn't, and what were your experiences using these Pokemon.


    Pokemon of the Month: October
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    Zapdos
    Zapdos is a often underrated Pokemon in this metagame. It offers renowned bulk, as well as formidable offense. Zapdos has the ability to serve as a premier special wall, and a check to threatening Water-Type's like Starmie and Politoed, while threatening them with STABed Thunders. Zapdos can also serve a role of VoltTurn chains, with its strong Special Attacks, as well as its access to both U-Turn and Volt Switch. Its formidable bulk and offensive pressure shouldn't be overlooked while teambuilding.
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    Mienshao
    Mienshao has recently dropeed down to UU, with the advent of BW2. It sits at a very potent speed tier, and boasts very high Offensive stats. To top it off, it also has regenerator to heal any Life Orb or hazards damage. Mienshao can work very well on VoltTurn chains for this reason. However its potential doesn't stop there, as it can also run threatening Swords Dance sets, and can even pass it to teammates with Baton Pass.
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    Snorlax
    Snorlax truly shined in the earlier generations of Pokemon. Ever since BW has began, Snorlax has been overlooked and deemed useless. However this isn't true, as snorlax boasts insane Special Defense, but unlike the blobs can threaten many Pokemon with its good coverage and high Attack Stat. Snorlax can serve as a bulky trapper for Psychic-Type's like Lati@s, or as an offensive option for some teams.

    *If you have other suggestions for sets that these three Pokemon can run, feel free to post them!

    Sign Ups:
    Code:
    serebii username: 
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use:
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt):


    Participants
    1. Chidori__O (Chidori_OT)
    2. thedarklord2155 (klaus)
    3. Eaglehawk
    4. Messuduppotatoasia (R@TT@T@)
    5. Ghosts of The Forum

    Hall of Fame
    *The Hall of Fame will encompass achievements from all months
    **For PS rankings, you must have a dev of 65 or less

    Gold:
    (1500+ on PO, 1900+ on PS)
    ~Eranu - Hail Offense with Virizion
    Abomasnow (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SDef
    Careful Nature
    - Protect
    - Leech Seed
    - Substitute
    - Ice Shard

    Mamoswine (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Crash
    - Earthquake

    Starmie @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 32 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Psyshock
    - Scald
    - Rapid Spin
    - Recover

    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 216 SDef / 40 Spd
    Careful Nature
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Body Slam
    - Iron Head

    Virizion @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SAtk
    Hasty Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Leaf Blade
    - Swords Dance
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 220 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Protect
    - Toxic
    - Taunt
    - Earthquake
    Silver:
    (1400+ on PO, 1800+ on PS)
    ~Rairyan - Sand Offense
    Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
    - Iron Head
    - Fire Punch
    - Thunder
    - Trick

    Salamence (F) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Hydro Pump
    - Fire Blast

    Terrakion @ Choice Band
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Quick Attack
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - Earthquake

    Gliscor (F) @ Flying Gem
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Acrobatics
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake

    Tyranitar (F) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
    - Superpower
    - Crunch
    - Fire Blast
    - Stealth Rock

    Virizion @ (No Item)
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Giga Drain
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Focus Blast
    ~Psilo -Sand Offense with Bronzong and Chandelure
    Bronzong@Air Balloon
    Ability: Heat Proof
    EV's: 252 SpD/252 HP/4 Def
    Sassy Nature
    -Toxic
    -Stealth Rock
    -Reflect
    -Gyro Ball

    Tyranitar@Leftovers
    Ability: Sandstream
    EV's: 252 HP/146 SpA/84 Att/ 28 Spe
    Quiet Nature
    -Substitute
    -Focus Punch
    -Dark Pulse
    -Ice Beam

    Chandelure@Choice Scarf
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EV'S: 252 SpA/252 Spe/ 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    -Fire Blast
    -Energy Ball
    -Shadow Ball
    -HP Ground

    Latios@Choice Specs
    Ability: Levitate
    EV's: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 HP
    Timid Nature
    -Trick
    -HP Fire
    -Surf
    -Draco Meteor

    Gliscor@Flying Gem
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EV's: 252 Spe/252 Att/ 4 HP
    Jolly Nature
    -Substitute
    -Swords Dance
    -Earthquake
    -Acrobatics

    Skarmory@Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EV's: 252 HP/ 232 Def/ 24 Spe
    Impish Nature
    -Spikes
    -Roost
    -Whirlwind
    -Brave Bird
    Bronze:
    (1300+ on PO, 1700+ on PS)
    ~Eranu - Deo-D Offense with Chandelure
    Deoxys-Defense @ Rocky Helmet
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
    Calm Nature
    - Magic Coat
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Psycho Boost

    Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    - Energy Ball
    - Fire Blast
    - Trick
    - Shadow Ball

    Gothitelle @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 152 HP / 104 Spd / 252 SAtk
    Modest Nature
    - Psychic
    - Signal Beam
    - Thunderbolt
    - Trick

    Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
    Calm Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Pain Split

    Keldeo-Resolution @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    - Surf
    - Secret Sword
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Hydro Pump

    Breloom @ Life Orb
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Bullet Seed
    - Mach Punch
    - Spore
    - Swords Dance

    *Because of PS's glitchy ladder and random resets, it is recommended to ladder on PO
     
  2. dragonuser™

    dragonuser™ the greatest crisis

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    Chandelure
    Chandelure is an interesting choice on sun teams, working as a very effective scarfer. Scarf Chandelure can outspeed threatening Pokemon like Latios and Starmie who otherwise think they can get an easy ko. Chandelure can work outside of sun teams as well, acting as a great spin blocker, as it does very well versus spinners like Forretress. As said by Eaglehawk, Choice Specs Chandelure is also an extremely deadly wallbreaker in the Sun, boasting very powerful Overheats/Fire Blasts.

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    Virizion
    With the rise of Tornadus-T, many people have forgotten about Virizion, seeing it as a sub-par pokemon. However Virizion is actually very deadly in this metagame, and is able to run many sets including but not limited to Calm Mind, Swords Dance, Work Up, and Support. Virizion has a high base Special Defense as well, and is able to tank many of the boosted Water-Type attacks in the metagame.

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    Bronzong
    Bronzong is one of the few pokemon who can boast being a counter to Tornadus-T in the rain. His valuable set of resistances paired with his ability, levitate, can make him a very potent wall. He can run viable support sets and has the ability to reliably lay Stealth Rocks. If you are worried about his longevity, Bronzong has the ability to run Resto Chesto sets, or even a RestTalk set. If you plan to run a team with some form of Trick Room, Bronzong can serve as a very reliable Trick Room Setter, or even sweeper.
     
  3. Makaveli

    Makaveli Gone for Good.

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    Please take Screenshots of your final rankings.
     
  4. Eaglehawk

    Eaglehawk Banned

    serebii username: Eaglehawk
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: All three
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be a new alt): Bowls of Nuts for both PS and PO
    Ladder Ranking: PO is 1287

    I assume this is reserved now.
     
  5. dragonuser™

    dragonuser™ the greatest crisis

    the alt you start with needs to be untouched (I clarified the sign up code), so if you could just edit in/post a untouched alt then you can start the challenge :D
     
  6. Eaglehawk

    Eaglehawk Banned

    I was just wondering if I can represent my clan for this event, because I'm introducing this to the clan as a cool groupwork activity thing. Is that okay?

    EDIT: I registered it.
     
  7. Soperman

    Soperman The One and Only

    serebii username: Soperman
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: Virizion
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt): Makomander (will only be doing PO)

    You know, it's interesting, but I haven't battled a single Therian while laddering since last month. Admittedly, I only battled once or twice a week, but still...
     
  8. Lunar.

    Lunar. I can't run forever

    serebii username: Lunar.
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: Bronzong
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt): ILoveKierra
     
  9. dragonuser™

    dragonuser™ the greatest crisis

    Don't post only when you reach a ladder ranking worthy of archive. Try to post frequently saying where you are on the ladder, and what you used to get there. Other participants can help with your team, if you post it, and it can help spur discussion on uses for these Pokemon in the meta.
     
  10. Phoopes

    Phoopes There it is.

    Serebii username: Phoopes
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: Virizion
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt): Verizon (PS only)
     
  11. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    serebii username: Zachmac
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: Virizion, and perhaps Bronzong, but maybe not.
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt): Zachmac R. Month

    ...Yep, I'm still alive. Just really rusty. I think this will be a good way to introduce me to the new metagame.
     
  12. Soperman

    Soperman The One and Only

    So far, I've had a ton of success through stall, in case anybody needs help for an idea for a team or something.
    Possibel suggestions: Virizion could be used in a FWG core, while Bronzong is decent for TR teams. I find Restalk works best for me.
     
  13. Ísjaki

    Ísjaki Flood Of Red

    i might do this....maybe
     
  14. Eranu™

    Eranu™ Well-Known Member

    serebii username: Eranu
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: Bronzong and Virizion
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt): Kurosakii
     
  15. 5221A

    5221A Well-Known Member

    serebii username: 5221A
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: Bronzong
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt): [RM] anziliero

    I guess I'll join, may be fun. Never used one of these Pokés out side of UU and 4th gen.
     
  16. Naoto Shirogane

    Naoto Shirogane The Detective Prince

    serebii username: Rairyan
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: viz
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be a new alt): Just like dancing 2
     
  17. Utopian

    Utopian faults & feats

    serebii username: Jets
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: bronzong
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be an untouched alt): BRONZONG WIN
     
  18. dragonuser™

    dragonuser™ the greatest crisis

    Ok lets start a discussion topic~

    Lots of people are choosing Bronzong or Virizion (both do pretty well vs some of Rain's biggest threats), do you think that is the reason they are being picked more than chandelure? Or is there another reason that both Bronzong and Virizion seem more viable? Likewise is there anything you see detracting from Chandelure's usage in the metagame? Anything helping it?

    DISCUSS
     
  19. EmeraldGoblin

    EmeraldGoblin Rehab, no. Dead.

    serebii username: EmeraldGoblin
    Pokemon(s) you plan to use: Virizion and Bronzong
    Ladder alt (remember it needs to be a new alt): DemianGoblin
    Ladder Ranking: n/a (I dont usually play to rank OU, but now i will!)
     
  20. Eranu™

    Eranu™ Well-Known Member

    Got to 1700 precisely using a shitty deo-d team. Will try to get to 1800 later but the ps ladder sucks too much so ill do it on po after kyurem-b gets banned again.

    ou 1700 82 1892 ± 88 (provisional) 22 6 0

    Deoxys-Defense @ Rocky Helmet
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
    Calm Nature
    - Magic Coat
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Psycho Boost

    Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    - Energy Ball
    - Fire Blast
    - Trick
    - Shadow Ball

    Gothitelle @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 152 HP / 104 Spd / 252 SAtk
    Modest Nature
    - Psychic
    - Signal Beam
    - Thunderbolt
    - Trick

    Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
    Calm Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Pain Split

    Keldeo-Resolution @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    - Surf
    - Secret Sword
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Hydro Pump

    Breloom @ Life Orb
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Bullet Seed
    - Mach Punch
    - Spore
    - Swords Dance
     

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