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Tazzler

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Salamence (F) @ Leftovers ** Dragonia
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 148 HP / 216 Atk / 144 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Standard DDmence. Would go CBmence, but I need the leftover recovery. RS for more zapdos coverage.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Bloo
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 156 Def / 16 Spd / 96 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf

Meh, I need rest since this is way to important to have weakened. Major DDtar/mence counter and with steelix metagross does absolute ****. Also walls hidden power ice electrics.

Lapras (F) @ Leftovers ** Elastic
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 20 Spd / 160 SAtk / 140 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Ice Beam
- Sing
- Thunderbolt

Great pokemon. Sing is awesome when it hits and sleep is always nice. Heal Bells supports my two resters. Suicune and most other waters do **** to this thing.

Porygon2 @ Leftovers ** Digital
Trait: Trace
EVs: 228 HP / 132 Def / 108 SAtk / 40 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Using this for a special sponge since with recover it won't die. Toxic is tight and Boltbeam scares away many special threats like zapdos and starmie. I know I have two boltbeamers, but I need thunderbolt. Otherwise, I would go with sharpen.

Steelix (F) @ Leftovers ** Giga
Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Atk / 76 Def / 136 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail
- Rest
- Roar

Was originally going to go with adamant and 250 attack, but I figured I needed the defense mainly for normal cbers like tauros and slaking. RS is utter **** on this thing so don't suggest it. IT stabbed does the same as RS SE and with IT you can actually hurt claydol/heracross/flygon/breloom as well as a variety of other things. Using this over skarm since it can hurt stuff and beats Cmers like raikou and jirachi that porygon2 can't handle.

Houndoom (F) @ Leftovers ** Bernie
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 68 HP / 188 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Beat Up
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Overheat
- Pursuit

Special sweeper and beats every other special sweeper not handled. Beat UP because I can see blissey is going to be annoying and it can break gengar's substitutes while it thinks it can focus punch freely, then pursuit it for the kill. (Though houndoom can hardly switch in). Overheat for reasons other people have posted and hidden power grass since swampert will be a *****.

No special sweeper can really get by this team as a whole tbh. (Though any special weeks are by hidden power like hp water jirachi). Salamence/Swampert/Steelix form one of the best physical defense walling "team ever" and mence/pert can help take earthquakes that steelix can't handle. I don't think I have gengar problems since it doesn't have the move unlimitations to beeat this team and houndoom kills it even if it is killed by focus punch. (952's DBgar oh no). Pert can be a *****, but it doesn't like toxic at all and is very vunerable when sleeping. Dugtrio traps one pokemon for the kill (houndoom) and maybe another (steelix) though porygon2 can trap it and kill it. Porygon2 can take three thunderbolts from 342 zapdos and steelix stalls it even if iron tail does ****. It can't switch in at all tbh to most of the team. CH's will be gay. I don't think I need a spinner since 3 pokemon of mine can heal itself, one is immune, and lapras gets free health from milotic and ****. It can only set up on 2 pokemon (may change to flamethrower on salamence) and maybe swampert (though hydro pump might help, surf is a 3hko iirc). I don't have a real gyarados counter (who does with the common iirc hydro pump gyarados, maybe not) though porygon2 and lapras will certainly scare it off.
 

Freakshow

Jibaku
Doesn't Zapdos outstall Steelix with Pressure instead of the other way round?
The extremely rare Rest/Sleep Talk/Return/Earthquake Ursaring and Thunderbolt/Fire Punch/Cross Chop/HP Grass Electabuzz can pose problems
Where's the Raikou in this team?
 

Delta

Nazi emperor
Great Sage said:
Good! You've obviously put lots of effort into this team.

best rate ever

/sarcasm

tbh, while iron tail is generally better, i'd go rock slide, so you can at least damage restalkdos, which would otherwise outstall you

also, minor note, but don't lead with DDmence as it will never sweep a team from the begining, and steelix does a better job against zapdos and metagross leads
 

Freakshow

Jibaku
CBGross beats Steelix :(
Porygon2 is a cooler starter IMO. It scares off Zappy, lols at Jolteon, makes Salamence run back to his mommy and Toxics Milotic
I got nearly mixed up between you and DragonDance
 
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Tazzler

Well-Known Member
AirLock200 said:
Doesn't Zapdos outstall Steelix with Pressure instead of the other way round?
The extremely rare Rest/Sleep Talk/Return/Earthquake Ursaring and Thunderbolt/Fire Punch/Cross Chop/HP Grass Electabuzz can pose problems
Where's the Raikou in this team?

True I guess. IT crits and defense falls do help as well as toxic. It is only in a pinch, tbh. I am not going to waste a slot on steelix. Ursaring is rare though and I think I can work around it. Ice Punch is usually over fire punch. Mence can take a bolt and dd up and then kill it with earthquake. Hidden Power grass won't ohko swampert and if it has ice punch over fire punch, then steelix wins.

Raikou?

I was going to lead with porygon2 since I remembered it was an awesome lead. I like iron tail better, tbh. I'd only leave it in on zapdos if I absolutely had too.

Also, swampert gives steelix nice defensive support.
 
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Tazzler

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Meh, zapdos and starmie 3hko porygon2 while bolt/beam 2hkos iirc. Bulky waters are beaten by lapras. Sceptile, Exeggutor, and Venesaur are raped by houndoom. Jirachi and Raikou can't get past steelix and swampert. Jynx cries at houndoom. Alakazam and Gardevoir are raped by houndoom and steelix to a lesser extent (beats standard gardevoir). Celebi is phazed by steelix, raped by houndoom, 2hko'd by lapras, and can be weared down by porygon2. Espeon is raped by houndoom/steelix. Moltres can't get past houndoom and porygon2 can sorta wear it down. Salamence with swampert rape it completely. Opposing houndoom can barely switch in and is beaten by salamence/swampert. Entei can't beat salamence. Kingdra is walled by lapras.
 
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