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RNG abusing, Hacking or not?

Hacking or not?

  • Yes

    Votes: 83 23.7%

  • No

    Votes: 267 76.3%
  • Total voters
    350
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milo05

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Ok, so, i recently started to RNG abuse, and, i told my friends about it, and they say "It's hacking" and i say "Why?" and they say "Is almost the same as pokesav" and started discussing, and i decided to make a tread about this...

So, how you consider it, hacking or not?
 
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Orangefeather

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It doesn't use pokesav, anyone can do it, you don't have to buy a hacking device for it, and any RNG'd pokemon will pass a hack test with flying colors. It is in no way hacking at all.
 
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ZanderR110

Northern Darkness
"Random" Number Generator

Once you figure out how it works, you can abuse the false random factor to obtain better IVs, shiny Pokemon, etc.
 
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Lord Scalgon

What title?
[img139]http://www.bingegamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/phoenix-wright-objection.jpg[/img139]

It's just changing the date and time, really. It's not an external use, since it's a part of the DS. Therefore, I rule this method as legit.

Hell, I even do RNG abusing myself.

BTW, look at the Japanese finalist and his team of shinies in the VGC. I'm pretty sure he RNG abused to obtain what he has as of today. Nintendo officials deemed his Pokemon legit, so is it considered 'hacking'?

No.

I rest my case.
 
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Pokemon-Dratini

cutes.u.2.death >: )
Rng is not hacking, anyone can do it aslong as you have enough patience to figure it out, all it is is using math to get a shiny (ok wellthats a very simplistic way of doing it) unfortunately i have no amount of patience for it
 
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Rakurai

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It's not hacking, but I don't use it for the same reason that I don't clone.

Which is simply that it's a part of the game that was never meant to be exploited.
 
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Pokemon-Dratini

cutes.u.2.death >: )
Rakurai said:
It's not hacking, but I don't use it for the same reason that I don't clone.

Which is simply that it's a part of the game that was never meant to be exploited.
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hmm that is a veryy good point o_O but unfortunatly i admit to using the cloning glitch
 
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mattj

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I used RNG'd pokes at Worlds 09 in San Diego. They passed the "Official TPCi Hack Check" with flying colors. So did my pokes with straight up hacked parents. :p All the "hack check" does it compare your poke to a list of what's allowable "in game" so that you don't have a sableye with wonderguard or something "broken" like that. For example, it caught Alakapimp's (smogon) poke that had 512 EVs, but it didn't catch all of our (collective) pokes that were either pokesav'd or bred from hacked parents.

I said all that just to say this...the "official TPCi hack check" doesn't mean crap. RNG abuse uses an external device (Mingnot's RNG Reporter) to acheive results that are impossible within normal game play. Nobody's ever gonna SR that many times to get hex flawless pokes.

So, is it "hacking"? Probably.

Is it "wrong". Meh. Probably not. :p
 
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darkgamerGS

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Hacking or not, it defeats the point of shinies being incredibly rare altogether, making them even more pointless than they already are... a color change... that's it? That's not a very exciting reward for what should be an incredibly rare version of Pokemon, and the RNG doesn't seem very hackish, and this is coming from someone that hates hacking games, but it makes shinies even less worth getting than they already are... I mean no offense to anyone, but... just had to get that off my chest. Sorry. ^_^;
 
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mattj

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darkgamerGS said:
Hacking or not, it defeats the point of shinies being incredibly rare altogether, making them even more pointless than they already are... a color change... that's it? That's not a very exciting reward for what should be an incredibly rare version of Pokemon, and the RNG doesn't seem very hackish, and this is coming from someone that hates hacking games, but it makes shinies even less worth getting than they already are... I mean no offense to anyone, but... just had to get that off my chest. Sorry. ^_^;
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Totally agreed. Now off to RNG some shinys... :)
 
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Bank$

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I read an article on Smogon about this and watched a couple of youtube videos... I don't understand any of it. I don't know how people figure this stuff out.
 
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mattj

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Bank$ said:
I read an article on Smogon about this and watched a couple of youtube videos... I don't understand any of it. I don't know how people figure this stuff out.
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I met the dude who programed the RNG Reporter when I was at Worlds. He goes by Mingnot over on smogon. I thought he'd be some uubernerdgenious or something, but he was just like your normal guy with a wife and 2 kids. :)
 
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Squirtleismyhomeboy

Who Dat?
is it just soft resetting to get a shiny?, does anyone kno how this stuff works or where i can find more info on it, i never heard of it before
 
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suudsu

Member
mattj said:
I met the dude who programed the RNG Reporter when I was at Worlds. He goes by Mingnot over on smogon. I thought he'd be some uubernerdgenious or something, but he was just like your normal guy with a wife and 2 kids. :)
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What is Worlds? Tournament?
 
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mattj

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suudsu said:
What is Worlds? Tournament?
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The 2009 Pokemon World Championships. I played in the videogame World Championships. Won a free trip to San Diego to boot!

Oh, more info on what RNG is...
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52180 Yeah, if you want to really simplify it RNGabuse is just SRing for shinys and good IVs, but there's this guy "Mingnot" who made a computer program that tells you how to get pokemon with specific IVs and/or shinyness. I'm actually RNGing a TR Regice at this moment. Something like 31/23/31/31/30/0 Relaxed nature. :)
 
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Tiomasta

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Personally, I think it is hacking, but it all depends on the eyes of the one who speaks, it's not just plain cheating for 999 stats or something.

One weird thing is that some people say that it isn't hacking, then saying that it's because everyone can do it. By that logic, hiding an ace on your sleeve while playing cards won't be cheating because everyone can do it, which is not right.

Rakurai said:
Which is simply that it's a part of the game that was never meant to be exploited.
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This.
 
SkittyOnWailord

SkittyOnWailord

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Well at leased some of the Pokemon used in the WCS were caught/hatched with the RNG and Nintendo allowed them. So there's your answer. Whether it's moraly correct is a differant question though, and you'll get a differant answer from everyone you ask.
 
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Troggy

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There's nothing wrong with RNG. However, when it gets to the point where people have RNG'd flawless teams, and then clone those and trade them other people, anyone who can't RNG might as well hack their team just to remain on level ground.
 
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