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Rumors/Leaks Discussion Thread

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Akashin

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One piece of info in there seems to keep popping up in these rumors, though. The fact that this is an 'alternate timeline' or what have you where you're the same character, but you arrive on the island a year or two later than in Sun/Moon; so things play out differently. If that ends up being true, then the implication would be that there is now a Gym system (which they may do if they decided the Trials weren't well received) and the League has been established and has had a Champion for the past year (which would obviously be Alolan Joey and his epic Rattata).

These games being a sort of alternate universe is one of the more common interpretations of what little we know of them, though, so that fact cropping up in many rumors is hardly a surprise. That's not to say it's wrong, of course; just that I wouldn't really say that rumors falling back on that interpretation really says much.
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
None of the rumors I post together are to be associated with one another. They are all separate. I just post them together for convenience.
 

Sαpphire

Johto Champion
None of the rumors I post together are to be associated with one another. They are all separate. I just post them together for convenience.

That might be true, but it's still rather telling that they all have come about at a similar time and still contradict each other. It still weakens their credibility independently of each other to be coming out at the same time as so many other people with a radically different story, you know?
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
And, by the way, all of these rumors are from 4chan.
 

Mrs. Oreo

Banned
They all seem like wish lists made by random forum users for me. The lack of a credible source for all but one list is also pretty suspicious.

It wouldn't surprise me if all the rumors so far are indeed just wishlists made by fans. I just figure that when we do inevitably get genuine leaked Ultra Sun and Moon information, that it's likely to be months from now, closer to the games' release.
 

Colgate

Breaking the service
They are making a newer one didn't know that

That's why I don't believe anything I see online unless that I see it myself
 
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Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
It wouldn't surprise me if all the rumors so far are indeed just wishlists made by fans. I just figure that when we do inevitably get genuine leaked Ultra Sun and Moon information, that it's likely to be months from now, closer to the games' release.

Without any sources, that's all they are.
 

utlhmsus

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Well that third one is obviously fake, hopefully parts of the first two will end up being real though.
 

.Aerodactyl.

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There are certainly aspects of the lists I would like to be true, but I agree, at this rate it's just fan lists. Truth be told, I think about half the leaks that do make it out are from Nintendo themselves. I'm sure it's all part of marketing and hype building and all that. I'd be hesitant to even believe any of them if they happen to get some things right, many could be accounted for lucky/safe guesses. For example, expecting some News around July 10th just follows the pattern they did previously with videos. We know that new forms ate likely since we can literally see them for Lunaala and Solgaleo. If they have new islands to explore, there is a certain logic that a new Oricorio form would accompany them. There isn't anything in them that could really prove specific beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
Well, the rumor in the OP is the only one not from 4Chan. It's from the same forum the Riddler used.
 

Aetius

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I think that rather than focusing ourselves on what a leak says, we should pay more attention to "when" it was published.
Remember how to Chinese leaker mentioned a Fire/Poison lizard, before Salandit was even revealed?
Just keep that in mind and detecting fake leaks should be easier.
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
A rumor was edited since I posted it. Here's the new version:
Story
Ultra Sun/Moon are like Platinum; most is basically the same but with a few details redone and the store progressing towards Necrozma.
Necrozma has been circulating Earth to gather enough energy to go back to Ultra Space, since it was summoned to Earth by accident by AZ thousands of years ago. It has become partially a Pokémon for living on Earth for thousands of years, so it wants to contact it’s co-Ultra Beasts in Ultra Space to invade Earth and make it a part of Ultra Space.
Since Solgaleo/Lunala are the only ones that can open portals, Necrozma infects either and controls them against their will to use them to gather all Ultra Beasts to Earth for an invastion.
Lillie does not go to Kanto at the end of the game and Lusamine doesn’t end up unconscious.
Gameplay
Gyms are now present in the open lots in the original games and are needed to complete the main story.
Island Trials are now post-game quests. The Trial sites are still there, excluding Ilima’s trial site which is now on Ten-Carat Hill. The Jungle is now a legendary site for one of the beast trio. Other trials are still there along with Mina and Acerola.
The Pokémon that appeared in the trailer (such as Mimikyu and Togedemaru) are not Island Trials, they give exclusive Z-Crystals.
Kahuna’s are still in the game and hold their Grand Trials post-game.
You’ll have to battle Aether grunts/admins to collect Zygarde Cells and Cores. Collecting these is now required to finish the main story.
There’s cutscenes for Zygarde vs Guzzlord, Solgaleo/Lunala vs Necrozma, and Ultra Beasts vs Island Guardians.
The Island Guardians will be required to catch through the main story.
You will have to defeat Aether Admins on give islands with Ultra Beasts: Faba/Kartana on Melemele, Helga/Pheromosa on Akala, Lest/Xurxitree on Ula Ula, Wicke/Buzzwole on Poni, and Aris/Celesteela in Aether Paradise.
The National Dex is present ingame from the start. The original SM dex is expanded.
Mega Stones can be bought and move tutors are present in the Battle Frontier.
All Aether Admins (except Aris) can be battled post-game, just like Plumeria, Kukui, and Guzma. Gym Leaders and Trial Captains are available in the Battle Tree, Battle Cave, and the Battle Frontier.
Locations
There are more places to visit, but no new island. The recurring islands have an expanded layout and have more new areas to explore.
Victory Road is expanded through Lanakila Mountain's interior passage.
The golf course is now open to public and has a mini golf game with Kahili.
The guy from the Fossil Restoration Center has built his park, called Archaic Grove. You can mine for fossils in a cave in it and restore them.
Lanakila and the volcano are further expanded with interior maps and Pokémon.
There’s a portal to Ultra Space in Resolution Cave and we get to explore more of Ultra Space (an expanded version like the Distortion World).
We don’t return to Kalos and the S.S. Anne also doesn’t come back.
Most routes and mountains have enhanced background details.
Features
There will be a smaller Battle Frontier, which will be similar to the BF of Platinum, only short by two Battle Facilities. It has a Battle Palace, Battle Hall and Battle Park, and also includes Battle Royale. It’s a sort of resort and it will have new characters
There will be a Battle Cave added alongside the Battle Tree. It’s exactly like the Battle Tree but is underground and rental battles have returned.
Mega Evolution does come back in a sense, in the form of Umbra Evolution. It’s a combination of Z-Moves and Mega Evolution, though Umbra Evolution is only applicable to Solgaleo and Lunala. A specific Z-Crystal which originated from Necrozma is given and activates when the Z-Crystal is twisted. Solgaleo and Lunala then Umbra Evolve into Ultra Solgaleo/Lunala by letting Necrozma attach itself to its host through the Z-Crystal.
When Solgaleo and Lunala Umbra Evolve, Prism Armor is distributed to both, stats are upgraded, and they get their own Z-Moves (Ultra Sunsteel Strike and Ultra Moongeist Beam). They must have the moves Unstreel Strike or Moongeist Beam in their moveset to trigger the Z-Crystal.
Poké Pelago is now added to the Rotom Dex as an option on the bottom screen, and Rotom replaces the position of Mohn.
We can still defend our Champion title.
Walking Pokémon does not return.
Festival Plaza is not improved aesthetically but more items will be available through it.
The Pikachu Park is merely a commemoration for Pikachu. It’s a place where you can leave your Pikachu and its happiness and level will increase once. It’s like a daycare exclusive for Pikachu. There are also minigames you can play in it for items.
Customization is further enhanced with more clothing options. There are version exclusive clothes, like a Solgaleo tee for Sun and Lunala tee for Moon. There’s also a few new clothing options similar to past protagonists, like May’s bandana, Red’s FRLG top, Team Aqua/Magma shirt, etc.
The Poké Finder has not changed but more Pokémon will appear in certain places that were not native in the original games.
Characters

Changes to Sun/Moon characters:
Most character from Sun and Moon are completely similar, except for Lillie, Plumeria, Guzma and Lusamine.
Lillie’s role in the game is quite similar, the only difference being that she finds Cosmog herself and hasn’t run away from Aether Paradise with it. You can battle her now, during the main story once with the third starter and an Alolan Vulpix, and again with her full team at the Aether Foundation post-game.
Guzma has left Team Skull to Plumeria and is now a Pokémon Trainer on his own. He’s sort of a spy between the two teams.
Gladion’s role is exactly the same as it was in the original (part of team skull, runaway from his mother). He gets a redesign and helps you tackle Ultra Beasts in the later game.
Mohn now plays a role in the story.
Sina and Dexio are undercover for the Aether Foundation and return in their Heroes of Kalos outfits. They’re the ones who help you throughout the Aether Foundation raid and give info on Zygarde and where to get its cores.
Ryuki is a Dragon-type user and is the last Gym Leader in the game. He plays in a band with a few other members and disbands it right after you defeat the Gym. He goes solo to challenge the Elite Four after this and you battle him again soon after you defeat the Champion, defending your title. He becoming a Dragon-type Trial Captain postgame.
Colress is still in the Battle Tree and retains his role in the main store by giving you Flame Charge. He now stays at the hotel on that route afterwards.
Most Gym Leaders are are old Trial Captains.
Returning old character:
A new feature called the Battle Cave will feature new returning characters: Eusine, Karen, Zinnia, Steven, Phoebe, Crasher Wake, Cheren, Bianca, Az, and Diantha.
Diantha is redesigned with a coat and glasses, and Cheren and Bianca not wear summer outfits. Crasher Wake does not get a redesign.
Characters that do not return: Lance, Cyrus.
The Elite Four retains the same members, but the League now has a champion, a returning female character.
New characters:
The Aether Foundation has some new Admins: Lest, Helga, and Aris. Lest and Helga are twins, one with pink hair and the other with blue hair.
One of the Gym Leaders is Petunia, a Bug-type specialist. She’s the second Gym Leader.
Another Gym Leader is Akamu, a Ground-type users.
Pokémon
The Johto starters don’t get any special treatment.
We don’t get starters, but we do get Lugia, Ho-oh and the beast trio post-game.
There are no new Megas.
Necrozma does not get a third form.
Gloom now appears in Lush Jungle, Zorua in Paniola Ranch, Krabby in those sand whirls where Sandygast usually appears.
Buizel is in the game.
Rare Pokemon such as Dhelmise and Mimikyu are still rare, encounter rates are not changed.
Alola Forms
Wobbuffet (Psychic/Ghost). It’s purple in color, with the black thing on its back now completely taking control. The black thing is ‘hugging’ its host.
Smoochum/Jynx (Grass/Fairy)
Remoraid/Octillery (Water/Fire). Alolan Octillery is a slimmer and taller Octillery with blue and yellow colors. It has fins on the side of its head like the handles of a turret (?). Remoraid is colored red and yellow.
Ursaring (Normal/Psychic). It has cape-like fur on its back ans is mainly beige in color, with purple tattoo-like symbols on its chest, like a sort of face.
Phanpy (Grass), Donphan (Grass/Steel). Phanpy is colored light yellow, almost faded yellow and has pigtails for ears, which are colored brown with a green tip. Donphan is light green colored with faded gray trunks. It has a huge dent on its back for riders. Its ears are larger than before and half of it is covered in leaves, dragging them across the ground. Alolan Donphan is significantly taller than the regular one.
Marill/Azumarill (Water/Psychic). Azumarill is very light blue in color while its tummy and inner ears are light pink. It uses its tail as a ‘staff’ and releases water orbs from it. The tail glows in different light colors.
Shuckle (Bug/Grass). Resides in an old green-colored coconut with brown patches. Shuckle itself is colored white. When it retracts its head and arms, vines and leaves fill the coconut holes instead to secure protection.
Ponyta/Rapidash (Water). They now have mermaid tails, similar to a Hippocampus, and is used as a Ride Pokémon. It’s also a signature Pokémon.
Dunsparce (Dragon/Fairy)
There are no other Alola Forms.
 

esquilo09

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One of of the rumors I wish it was true are the alolan Aipom and Teddiursa. But seeing alolan Aipom not evolving is very odd, so it's fake.
 

Akashin

Well-Known Member
I think that rather than focusing ourselves on what a leak says, we should pay more attention to "when" it was published.
Remember how to Chinese leaker mentioned a Fire/Poison lizard, before Salandit was even revealed?
Just keep that in mind and detecting fake leaks should be easier.

Well, obviously, but when a leak is published means absolutely nothing right now since they all currently pre-date the reveal of any real information.
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
Found myself a new rumor.

Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are an alternate retelling of the events of Pokemon Sun and Moon. Some might refer to this as an “alternate universe”, rather than insist the events of Sun and Moon did not happen at all. The story is “quite different” and more like a B2/W2 (despite not being a sequel) than a Pokemon Crystal/Emerald or Platinum version.

The Alola region is still comprised of 4 main islands, however the landmarks of some of the islands are in different conditions than they were before. One example I was given is that the ruins where Hapu’s house is located is no longer ruins and instead a full fledged town, that stretches larger south than the ruins you find in Sun and Moon. There are other larger changes, while many of them are small visual differences from Sun and Moon.

Ash Greninja’s “Battle Bond” ability is not exclusive to Greninja anymore, there are other notable Pokemon you will find in game that have this ability and look similar to their trainers. Lillie’s Alolan Ninetales is one of these Pokemon. This ability will be explored more thoroughly throughout the game, and only notable characters possess Pokemon with the Battle Bond ability.

There are no new Mega Evolutions, but there are more Alola Forms, mainly focusing on Gen 2. Some of these Pokemon include Gliscor, Bellossom, Ariados, Yanma, Sudowoodo and Quagsire, I’m sure there are more than what I was told. The purpose of Alola Forms of Johto Pokemon are to coincide with the Gold and Silver Virtual Console releases. There is a new final evolution for each Alola starter and requires a different method than normally, this was not fully explained to me.

Team Skull is not present, and has never been present in this Alola. Guzma has taken a different path than in Sun and Moon and will show up later in the story “may surprise some people”.

I received this information from an employee at Gamefreak who’s alias is いかがわしい奴, I won’t explain further as it could jeopardize their position. I can’t stick around and answer questions right now, but I am hoping to get some free time later on to come and discuss.

One last detail, many employees at Gamefreak think that Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon were announced in the wrong way, not showing enough new and making people think the game is not going to be different. They hope that when more of the game is shown off people will be more interested.
 

shadowF

Well-Known Member
Found myself a new rumor.

Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are an alternate retelling of the events of Pokemon Sun and Moon. Some might refer to this as an “alternate universe”, rather than insist the events of Sun and Moon did not happen at all. The story is “quite different” and more like a B2/W2 (despite not being a sequel) than a Pokemon Crystal/Emerald or Platinum version.

The Alola region is still comprised of 4 main islands, however the landmarks of some of the islands are in different conditions than they were before. One example I was given is that the ruins where Hapu’s house is located is no longer ruins and instead a full fledged town, that stretches larger south than the ruins you find in Sun and Moon. There are other larger changes, while many of them are small visual differences from Sun and Moon.

Ash Greninja’s “Battle Bond” ability is not exclusive to Greninja anymore, there are other notable Pokemon you will find in game that have this ability and look similar to their trainers. Lillie’s Alolan Ninetales is one of these Pokemon. This ability will be explored more thoroughly throughout the game, and only notable characters possess Pokemon with the Battle Bond ability.

There are no new Mega Evolutions, but there are more Alola Forms, mainly focusing on Gen 2. Some of these Pokemon include Gliscor, Bellossom, Ariados, Yanma, Sudowoodo and Quagsire, I’m sure there are more than what I was told. The purpose of Alola Forms of Johto Pokemon are to coincide with the Gold and Silver Virtual Console releases. There is a new final evolution for each Alola starter and requires a different method than normally, this was not fully explained to me.

Team Skull is not present, and has never been present in this Alola. Guzma has taken a different path than in Sun and Moon and will show up later in the story “may surprise some people”.

I received this information from an employee at Gamefreak who’s alias is いかがわしい奴, I won’t explain further as it could jeopardize their position. I can’t stick around and answer questions right now, but I am hoping to get some free time later on to come and discuss.

One last detail, many employees at Gamefreak think that Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon were announced in the wrong way, not showing enough new and making people think the game is not going to be different. They hope that when more of the game is shown off people will be more interested.

I think that one may be fake since
いかがわしい奴 means funny guy in google translate.
 
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