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Rumors & Leaks - Speculation/Discussion Thread [⚠️PLEASE HIDE STORY SPOILERS⚠️]

falconlord

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I watched portions of a livestream last week and the framerate would definitely become abysmal in some points, but it seems to be mostly a problem at the school and big cities. It is still absurd they greenlit this, but I seems is something you won't have to deal with when you are on the field exploring (which should be most of the gameplay).

Still, funny to think that we know about this problem and how bad it was for one month already, when the early reviewers mentioned how terrible the performance was, and yet the very fanbase tried to shut the complaints by making up a completely baseless excuse of "they didn't got the final version, it was an old build of the game". The Nintendo Life reviewer dedicated a huge portion of his video to detail the performance problems, but instead of making a huge deal of it, we made up a complete lie to cover it.
When the fanbase tries to shut its own complaints, it's no surprise GF doesn't have to worry about poorly finished product - they won't even have to make excuses for themselves, just trust the fanbase to make those for them.

You have got this so backwards it isn't even funny.

There are a handful of reports of performance issues. The overwhelming evidence, available to anyone with an internet connection and willingness to watch idiot YouTubers display their amazing incompetence, is that the game runs fine.

A small portion of the fanbase has latched on to these reports because they chose to hate this gen a lot time ago and are searching out anything, anything at all, that justifies their own stupidity.
 

Orphalesion

Well-Known Member
I'm getting Violet tomorrow and I still don't know which starter to pick.

On one hand Fuecoco is the cutest 1st stage and it's final evolution is pretty cool.
On the other hand Sprigatito's final evolution is a masked crescent moon magician harlequin.
And on the third hand (yes there is a third hand, what...you don't have one?) there aren't any good new water pokemon other than Quaquaval.
 

falconlord

Well-Known Member
I'm hoping there's the chance to get them all at some point.

One of the things that I loved about Yellow was the ability to get all starters.
 

Beloberto

Bug Catcher
You have got this so backwards it isn't even funny.

There are a handful of reports of performance issues. The overwhelming evidence, available to anyone with an internet connection and willingness to watch idiot YouTubers display their amazing incompetence, is that the game runs fine.

A small portion of the fanbase has latched on to these reports because they chose to hate this gen a lot time ago and are searching out anything, anything at all, that justifies their own stupidity.
You are not on 4chan or Youtube comment session, you can tone it down a few notches. If you can't deal with criticism without having to resort to veiled and overt insults and dismissive commentaries, maybe you shouldn't be on a discussion board right now.
It's not my or anybody's here problem if you decided to spend the day getting riled up watching Youtubers tear down the game and now will lash out at any sign of criticism.
 

LordSerperior

Well-Known Member
You have got this so backwards it isn't even funny.

There are a handful of reports of performance issues. The overwhelming evidence, available to anyone with an internet connection and willingness to watch idiot YouTubers display their amazing incompetence, is that the game runs fine.

A small portion of the fanbase has latched on to these reports because they chose to hate this gen a lot time ago and are searching out anything, anything at all, that justifies their own stupidity.
Can you stop dismissing every complaint people are having, a lot of them from personally playing the game. Everyone reporting it is not trying to trash the game.
 

falconlord

Well-Known Member
You are not on 4chan or Youtube comment session, you can tone it down a few notches. If you can't deal with criticism without having to resort to veiled and overt insults and dismissive commentaries, maybe you shouldn't be on a discussion board right now.
It's not my or anybody's here problem if you decided to spend the day getting riled up watching Youtubers tear down the game and now will lash out at any sign of criticism.
Lol, what?

My comments are about how YouTubers do things like fight Pawniard and never once use a fighting move, not about any criticism they may or may not have.

In fact, I was using Youtube footage as a counter to your baseless criticism.

I say it again: the overwhelming evidence, available to anybody with the patience to watch a livestream, is that the game runs just fine.

Apologies to those having different experiences, but your luck is just bad.
 

Xanhawk

Well-Known Member
I'm getting Violet tomorrow and I still don't know which starter to pick.

On one hand Fuecoco is the cutest 1st stage and it's final evolution is pretty cool.
On the other hand Sprigatito's final evolution is a masked crescent moon magician harlequin.
And on the third hand (yes there is a third hand, what...you don't have one?) there aren't any good new water pokemon other than Quaquaval.
Tatsugiri + Dondozo is pretty good, Dondozo seems to be gaining some popularity by itself. Tatsugiri kinda needs Dondozo because of the gimmick.

Palafin if you can stomach it's Hero form.

Wiglett/Wugtrio are surprisingly ok.

Veluza is really good from what I have heard from a handful of people.
Palafin erasure

I mean...I generally like goofy Pokemon...but Palafin...Yeah...
 

bruhidk

LARRY SUPREMACY
I'm getting Violet tomorrow and I still don't know which starter to pick.

On one hand Fuecoco is the cutest 1st stage and it's final evolution is pretty cool.
On the other hand Sprigatito's final evolution is a masked crescent moon magician harlequin.
And on the third hand (yes there is a third hand, what...you don't have one?) there aren't any good new water pokemon other than Quaquaval.
the catfish doesn't seem too bad, but it might be late game
 

Beloberto

Bug Catcher
I hadn't noticed how few new water types there are.

Palafin has the problem that you need to switch it out and in if you want to use its ability. In PVP matches that something that occurs naturally, but on in-game battles you would probably have to go out of your way to force it every time.
If you exclude it and Quaxly, you are left with only the Dondozo/Tatsugiri duo.
 

falconlord

Well-Known Member
Can you stop dismissing every complaint people are having, a lot of them from personally playing the game. Everyone reporting it is not trying to trash the game.
When I can see with my own two eyes that they're full of it? No.
 

Copley Hill Gym

Well-Known Member
A lot of people I'm starting to see report severe FPS drops were older consoles running in the handheld mode and a lot of the issues seem to alleviate in docked mode.

Other than that, I'm seeing claims that it is being caused because the game is rendering the ENTIRE region at all times. Which is kinda bad if true.

That sort of marries up with what I’ve seen. I didn’t realise the game generates the whole region all the time though.

Does BOTW work like this? PLA didn’t, as it was segmented more, but it also had a few lagging issues.
 

Julia Artemis

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I think Water Tauros seems interesting especially if you use Water Terra on it. Having Close Combat and Wave Crash, which is now water Flare Blitz sounds awesome. So I'm leaning towards using it especially since I have barely used Tauros while playing Pokemon. But from what i gather it was one of the best Pokemon from gen 1 but it had a steep decline since than. But also it has Intimidate
 

Orphalesion

Well-Known Member
Wiglett/Wugtrio are surprisingly ok.
But it's a variation of Diglett's design. And Diglett and Dugtrio are my least favourite Pokemon, so I'm not using Wiglett
Tatsugiri + Dondozo is pretty good, Dondozo seems to be gaining some popularity by itself. Tatsugiri kinda needs Dondozo because of the gimmick.
Yeah it's really unfortunate with those two, because I'm not gonna have both of them on my team
Veluza is really good from what I have heard from a handful of people.
I might consider it. It's a bit ugly though.

I think Water Tauros seems interesting especially if you use Water Terra on it. Having Close Combat and Wave Crash, which is now water Flare Blitz sounds awesome. So I'm leaning towards using it especially since I have barely used Tauros while playing Pokemon. But from what i gather it was one of the best Pokemon from gen 1 but it had a steep decline since than. But also it has Intimidate
Oooh I forgot the Water Tauros! That actually might end up being my choice of water type this gen.
Thanks for reminding me! I have never used Tauros either, so it's a nice idea to use the Aqua Form of the Paldean Variant.
 

Xanhawk

Well-Known Member
I wish I could weigh in more on performance, but I won't get my games until tomorrow and won't be able to actually play them until like 25ish hours from this specific post cause I have stupid long work shifts and can't pick my copy up tonight like I originally wanted.

What I have seen from friends who got the game and random check ins here and there seem contrary to what I see reported on twitter or by various youtube videos. Friends have been streaming through Discord and I asked if there were any serious performance issues, none have said anything of note. One said there was a minor freak out because the game and camera couldn't decide if he was on water or on land because he initiated a fight really close to the water.
 

falconlord

Well-Known Member
No, most open world games don't render the entire world at the same time. Mostly because, as they learned from MMOs, that's a good way to kill your game with lag (MMOs being one of the earliest experiments in true, 3D open world design.)

Though it wouldn't surprise me if GameFreak thought that they had figured out how to do it, this time. Many open world devs do try to render the whole world at once, at least once in their time. Then they tend to backtrack because it's a bad idea.
 

Copley Hill Gym

Well-Known Member
I watched portions of a livestream last week and the framerate would definitely become abysmal in some points, but it seems to be mostly a problem at the school and big cities. It is still absurd they greenlit this, but I seems is something you won't have to deal with when you are on the field exploring (which should be most of the gameplay).

Still, funny to think that we know about this problem and how bad it was for one month already, when the early reviewers mentioned how terrible the performance was, and yet the very fanbase tried to shut the complaints by making up a completely baseless excuse of "they didn't got the final version, it was an old build of the game". The Nintendo Life reviewer dedicated a huge portion of his video to detail the performance problems, but instead of making a big deal of it, we made up a complete lie to cover it.
When the consumer base tries to shut its own complaints, it's no surprise GF doesn't have to worry about poorly finished product - they won't even have to make excuses for themselves, just trust the fanbase to make those for them.

It feels to me reading that review and the others I’ve seen today, is that there is a definite issue of performance, but it’ll depend on:

  1. Is the switch a first gen model
  2. Is it being played in dock mode or not
  3. Is it at the start of a battle
  4. Is it during anything within the academy
I highly doubt the performance issues will override the other qualities of the game.

I think we all need to be realistic about one thing though. Generations 8 and 9 are the most experimental gens we have had in so many different ways.

S/V are enabling us to go forward into generation 10 expecting another open world game. That’s the reality here.

S/V are out now and GF/TPC are very likely to be already working on Gen 10.

Don’t be discouraged by S/V not being perfect in its performances: be encouraged by the opportunities for the future S/V and PLA have opened up for the franchise.
 

falconlord

Well-Known Member
I wish I could weigh in more on performance, but I won't get my games until tomorrow and won't be able to actually play them until like 25ish hours from this specific post cause I have stupid long work shifts and can't pick my copy up tonight like I originally wanted.

What I have seen from friends who got the game and random check ins here and there seem contrary to what I see reported on twitter or by various youtube videos. Friends have been streaming through Discord and I asked if there were any serious performance issues, none have said anything of note. One said there was a minor freak out because the game and camera couldn't decide if he was on water or on land because he initiated a fight really close to the water.
I want to be shocked by camera issues, but I'm not.

Camera screw is, alas, a seemingly permanent fixture of 3D gaming. Certainly, it isn't GameFreak who is going to fix it.
 
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