People are never satisfiedPeople are allowed to share their disappointment of course since this is a forum and all, but I find it funny considering how many people complained we didn't get much news for a while, and now we've had some concrete news for the past month and I still see people complaining.
Butterflies do it all the time so yeah, it makes sense that Wiglett would pretend to be a Diglett to avoid getting hit by a Pikachu’s Thunderbolt.You could make a tongue in cheek argument as say that Wiglett mimics Diglett because Wiglett are water type and are scared of electricity, so they pretend to be ground type Digletts to fool predators and avoid electric attacks
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I’m hoping it will gain the Rock typing upon evolving and have gravel like scales to hide even better on the ocean floor.I quite wonder what they’re going to do with the evolution. On one hand I hope it will look more different compared to Dugtrio than what Wiglett does to Diglett. On the other hand if they change it dramatically the whole idea of these being a homage to convergent evolution falls a bit flat.
I'm guessing Wugtrio will be three wigletts intermingled and nothing much different form thatI quite wonder what they’re going to do with the evolution. On one hand I hope it will look more different compared to Dugtrio than what Wiglett does to Diglett. On the other hand if they change it dramatically the whole idea of these being a homage to convergent evolution falls a bit flat.
Similar DNA? Says who?
It’s a mole and an eel….
You could make a tongue in cheek argument as say that Wiglett mimics Diglett because Wiglett are water type and are scared of electricity, so they pretend to be ground type Digletts to fool predators and avoid electric attacks
(inb4butgrassattacks)
Butterflies do it all the time so yeah, it makes sense that Wiglett would pretend to be a Diglett to avoid getting hit by a Pikachu’s Thunderbolt.
Yes, the regional bird is apparently a Petrel that is Flying/Electric.Plus if I remember correctly don't we have an electric bird this time around? If that's reasonably common it could work as part of the reason. I'm mildly surprised it isn't Water/Ground (given part of its body is underground) but your idea does work better with it being pure water.
Isn't the whole idea that they have a similar phenotype without a similar genotype. So not similar DNASimilar DNA? Says who?
Forgive me if I sound obsessed with this topic. I have a theory based around the lore surrounding RF Pokémon.
Prior to the events of Gen I, Giovanni had commissioned a number of Scientists within the Paldea region to conduct experiments that would lead to the eventual attempt in cloning Mew. The goal was not only to learn how to duplicate DNA, but to alter it in a way that rendered it superior.
The test subjects that were used were directly sent to them by the Team Rocket Organization operating in the Kanto Region, which is why as far as we know they only consist of Gen I Pokémon; Diglett and Tentacool.
Although they succeeded in creating new Pokémon, they were deemed as failures for the following reasons:
1. They were not successful replications of the original Pokémon.
2. They were only made stronger because they were given types that are advantageous against the originals, which comes with disadvantages as well.
Thus, the research was scrapped, and with nothing left to do the new Pokémon were then released into the wild.
The project was eventually moved to Kanto under the direction of Dr. Fuji who was successful in genetically replicating and altering Pokémon. However, the project became a lot more complicated when it came to replicating Mew; and even though the scientists at the Pokémon mansion came close, the new Pokémon named "Mewtwo" became too powerful to control, and would eventually break out of its incubator and make its new home within Cerulean Cave.
If they diverged from a common ancestor, it would be divergent evolution.I'm just thinking that they diverged from a common ancestor and now they are a distant relatives.
If they diverged from a common ancestor, it would be divergent evolution.
An example of divergent evolution is stuff like like Alolan Meowth and Galarian Meowth. Two different variants of Meowth but they originate from a common ancestor, the regular Meowth. They share the same dex number and the same slot. Same species.
Wigglet is a different species from Diglett. They have a different name and a different Pokedex number. Evolutionary unrelated to Diglett. It ended up developing similar traits as a result of adapting to the environment.
Yes and no. All species share a common ancestors and have evolved into separate species through divergent evolution but different taxonomical groups can then converge to evolve similar features/behaviours/relationships if faced with similar evolutionary pressures. Genetically they are not closely related but they look similar. Diglett and Wiglett seem to be a case of that (going by the main site's oversimplified description) and not a speciation event where different populations of the same species become isolated and become separate species.That's not how the concept of a common ancestor works. Alolan Meowth and Galarian Meowth while still the same species as the Kantonian Meowth did not evolve directly from it.
All three variants of Meowth are descendants of an original species that is the ancestor to all of the Meowths.
Eventually after many years, all three variants of Meowth will become their own species.
Diglett and Wiglett are descendants from an original species that is the ancestor to both pokémon, but so far apart that they have become seperate species, like will one day happen to the Meowths.
I disagree.Diglett and Wiglett are descendants from an original species that is the ancestor to both pokémon,
Yeah, this is exactly what they are, though apparently Pearl, someone who sumarizes Kaka's info also doesn't like the term convergent species because of the Tentacool mushroom? Either way; its better than RFake. Regardless, I don't think these Pokemon need a specific term, but it just shouldn't be RFake. I think its more about if there is a term, it should sound like something TPCI would actually useDivergent = species with a common ancestor that change to become increasingly different over time (Meowth/Galarian Meowth/Alolan Meowth)
Convergent = unrelated species that develop similar characteristics over time (Diglett/Wigglet)
Yes and no. All species share a common ancestors and have evolved into separate species through divergent evolution but different taxonomical groups can then converge to evolve similar features/behaviours/relationships if faced with similar evolutionary pressures. Genetically they are not closely related but they look similar. Diglett and Wiglett seem to be a case of that (going by the main site's oversimplified description) and not a speciation event where different populations of the same species become isolated and become separate species.
But all these discussions highlight are the fact that using these relatively complex ecological concepts as the basis of Pokemon was not a good idea because despite real world parallels, Pokemon do not follow real world biology, nor is the in-universe fictional biology very well-defined. Pokemon can breed across species, the taxonomy is not defined at all, there's so many ways in which deviates from the real world. So all these concepts are being introduced without the context in which they exist and feels unnecessary. As someone who basically studies this, it sort of breaks the suspension of disbelief for me. And then there is also misunderstanding and conflation of ideas that is spreading within the fandom discourse since the reveal.
Edit: Missed parts of the description of speciation