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Rumors & Leaks - Speculation/Discussion Thread

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epithumia

epithumia

Poison-type enthusiast
I personally like the way they rendered the likeness of the human 2D designs in the overworld models better in SWSH.
 
U

Ultra Beast Lover

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Rune Knight said:
Your profile picture made me start pondering on the idea that Toxtricity (particularly its amped form) might be related to Miraidon.
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I mean, Diancie is a mutated Carbink
 
Absolutely Absol

Absolutely Absol

It's just Absol...
Huh, I don't see character models as realistic. It's more like Studio Ghibli style whose eye design is smaller and round even in child characters. Compared to original Pokémon human designs, their eye designs are more like oval and narrow iris/pupil. Also, large in younger characters.
 
Lucky3

Lucky3

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To me they look like clay dolls more than anything. And the vibe they give me is more European animation as opposed to the classic anime style of Pokemon or even the more American cartoon style of Galar.
 
Orphalesion

Orphalesion

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Absolutely Absol said:
Huh, I don't see character models as realistic. It's more like Studio Ghibli style whose eye design is smaller and round even in child characters. Compared to original Pokémon human designs, their eye designs are more like oval and narrow iris/pupil. Also, large in younger characters.
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Yeah that's exactly what they reminded me of as well since they were revealed; a studio Ghibli style.

It's definitely more subdued than the style of the human characters in the older games, especially SwSh, but that's nirlt necessarily a bad thing (especially considering some of the...stranger...designs we had in SwSh, like Milo, the police man trainer class and Swordward/Shielbert)
At first I was worried the characters might end up looking too similar, but the last Trailer really showed off the wide, distinctive range they have.
 
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Luthor

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Orphalesion said:
Yeah that's exactly what they reminded me of as well since they were revealed; a studio Ghibli style.

It's definitely more subdued than the style of the human characters in the older games, especially SwSh, but that's nirlt necessarily a bad thing (especially considering some of the...stranger...designs we had in SwSh, like Milo, the police man trainer class and Swordward/Shielbert)
At first I was worried the characters might end up looking too similar, but the last Trailer really showed off the wide, distinctive range they have.
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Yeah the Sword and Shield Police officer was a bit weird. Seems like they will be a bit more toned down.
 
L

Luthor

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Captain Jigglypuff said:
He sort of looked like a bizarre clown. Almost like a Mr Mime but less clown like but more cartoony somehow? I mean how is that face supposed to make people comfortable asking him for help?
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Yeah exactly. Though as a deterrent to crime it might be very effective. Imagine seeing that chasing after you.

Orphalesion said:
My best guess is that they wanted to make the police officer look as non-threatening as possible, and accidentality ended up making him looking creepy as all hell.
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Yeah. You're probably right. Mistakes were clearly made.
 
Totodi1e

Totodi1e

The silent boy of mystery!
Taking into account yesterday's presentation, I take another look at the leaks we have (page 1).

Correct leaks
Considerations/Speculations
Unconfirmed until now
Partially correct leaks

Region/Characters/Story Info
  • Parudeya [パルデヤ] Region. Has 3 cities and 9 towns. Paldea confirmed. Map has 12 settlements visible if you count two on icy mountain.
    • The region is considerably larger than all of Hisui combined if you consider the oceans and islands that surround it.
  • Gyms can be done in any order, but the teams/levels don't change. Confirmed.
    • Gym Leader types: Bug, Grass, Water, Ice, Electric, Normal, Ghost, Psychic. Grusha confirmed as Ice-type specialist.
    • Gym Leaders have "important secrets".
    • They also have jobs such as: streamer (Magnemite-haired girl), snowboarder, rapper. Grusha used to be a professional snowboarder.
    • Each gym can be cleared twice in the main game.
  • Rival is a red-haired female whose personality is not like Hop. Penny has red hair and shy personality.
  • Elite Four returns.
    • One of them is a kid.
    • Types used by E4 does not overlap those of Gym Leaders.
  • Champion's gender depends on the game's version.
  • Prof. Sada & Turo ONLY appears on their respective versions. Official site states: "For the first time in the series, one of two different professors will appear in your game depending on the version you choose to play".
  • There are classes, interviews and exams in the game. Classes confirmed, with Mr. Jacq being "your homeroom teacher". Interviews and exams unconfirmed.
  • The racing flags signify "enemies/opponents".
  • SV's story is "tear jerkingly good"
  • SV has multiple endings. There are a total of 3 routes. Finishing all 3 leads to the true ending. Three stories confirmed.
  • Plot spoiler:
    • You cannot use your own Pokemon during the climax battle.
    • You cannot use Koraidon/Miraidon in battle not until the climax.
Gameplay Info
  • Wild Pokemon levels do not scale.
  • Clothing options (based on what the leaker have seen so far) are only limited to pants and shorts, all tops are school uniforms, and facial customization is still in. Facial and uniform customization confirmed.
  • The camera is controllable during battle.
  • Mass outbreaks return.
  • Alpha Pokemon are present, but under a different name and are tied to the story.
  • Overworld Pokemon size variation returns.
  • Shiny Pokemon can be seen on the overworld.
  • Picnics are the new camping mechanic.
    • Eggs are obtained through this feature.
    • You can wash your Pokemon during picnics, which heals their HP and raises friendship.
  • Pokemon can only follow you outdoors. Pokémon following you confirmed. At least, the starters first stage. Unconfirmed if limited to outdoors.
  • The move tutor feature is similar to PLA, and is accessible via the in-game menu (pressing X).
  • There is a "Time Warping" feature that only applies to Pokemon.
  • There is an Auction feature with NPCs. You can only buy from them though.
    • Rotom's catalog can only be obtained through auctions.
  • There is an NPC who will trade Pokemon from a previous game.
  • There is DLC.
  • There are raid battles. Confirmed, related with Terastal phenomenon.
  • You do not visit Kalos post-game.
  • Missing/removed/changed features:
    • No daycare centers (see Picnics above)
    • No ranked battles (for now).
    • No new types, but will introduce new type combinations.
    • No new evolutionary stones.
    • No National Dex.
    • No difficulty settings.
    • No returning characters.
    • No Mega Evolution.
    • No Z-Moves.
    • No bicycle.
    • No fishing.
    • No voice acting.
    • The ability "Download" has been removed.
General Pokemon Info
  • The National Dex now surpasses 1,000 total Pokemon. The 1,000th Pokemon is nothing special.
  • Regional Pokedex has around 400 Pokemon.
  • There is a sidequest that Eevee fans will enjoy. Maybe related to Penny?
  • All previous starters, all fossil Pokemon, Unown, Jynx, Wailord, Metagross, Milotic, Golurk, Minior, Furfrou, Aipom, Toucannon, Woobat, Applin, Beedrill, Porygon, Sharpedo, Smeargle, Meltan are absent.
  • Rotom, Garchomp, Sunflora, Goodra (and Hisuian Goodra), Rotom, Komala, Teddiursa, Weezing, Houndour, Skwovet, Mimikyu, Staraptor, Magikarp, Salamence, Crabominable, Snover and a certain cactus Pokemon are present. Rotom, Houndour, Skwovet, Magikarp and Gyarados, Bagon (and Salamence), Starly (and Staraptor).
  • Not all Hisuian forms are in the game. At least Hisuian Zoroark is in the game.
New Pokemon Info
  • There are 120-140 new Pokemon.
    • This includes actual new Gen 9 Pokemon, regional variants, ancient/future forms, and convergent Pokemon (see 'New Forms' section).
  • Starter details:
    • Spirgatito's evo is "so-so" in terms of cuteness, has a broken hidden ability, and has a magician theme.
    • Fuecoco has a singer/rockstar theme. It's middle evo has a flaming egg on its head. The final evo has a flaming bird instead. Its signature move has something to do with sound.
    • Quaxly has a dancer theme.
    • Starters leg count as they evolve:
      • Sprigatito: 4 > 2 > 2
      • Fuecoco: 2 > 2 > 4
      • Quaxly: 2 > 2 > 2
  • New Pokemon:
    • Pawmi2 + Pawmi3 (Electric/Fighting)
      • It has a 1 PP move that revives fainted Pokemon.
      • Pawmi is a marmot and IS the first stage.
    • Lechonk2 that differ by gender
    • Smoliv2 + Smoliv3 (an olive tree)
    • flamingo (Flying/Fighting; does not evolve)
    • parakeet (does not evolve)
    • earthworm (does not evolve)
    • dung beetle (evolves once)
    • frog (evolves once)
    • bird
    • fish
    • dolphin
    • ostrich (Psychic)
    • crab
    • eel (Water)
    • chili pepper
    • spider line
    • dog line 1 (Ghost; evolves at least once) Fidough isn't this line, since it's a Fairy-type, but possible one of the dogs lines mentioned next. Still, nothing confirms that it evolves at least once.
    • dog line 2 (evolves at least once)
    • dog line 3 (evolves at least once)
    • artificial intelligence
    • coin line (evolves into a gold 'ningen') Cetitan is a white colored ningen Pokémon. Maybe there is another ningen, a gold colored one linked with the coin?
    • motorcycle
    • samurai
    • Kamen Rider-inspired (from Khu)
    • 2-stage engine line
    • 2-stage icicle line
    • 2-stage salt line
    • 2-stage hammer-wielding fairy line (Fairy/???; one of the E4's ace)
    • ??? (Grass/Fire)
    • 4 sub-legendaries
  • Koraidon/Miraidon are the only ride Pokemon.
    • They act similar to PLA ride Pokemon (flying, swimming, climbing, etc). Different builds/modes confirmed.
    • Koraidon/Miraidon don't have 5 forms.
  • There is no third mascot legendary.
  • No peacock Pokemon.
  • No new fossil Pokemon.
New Forms/Evolutions Info
  • The only regional variants:
    • R-Wooper (Poison) Paldean Wooper confirmed. Type combination officially confirmed as Poison/Ground.
    • Tauros has four forms in the game. None of its forms are either Steel, Flying, Ghost, Dragon, Fairy or Normal.
      • Tauros (Normal)
      • R-Tauros A (Fighting)
      • R-Tauros B (???/???)
      • R-Tauros C (???/???)
  • Pokemon with new evolutions:
    • R-Wooper2
    • Girafarig2 (Psychic)
    • Dunsparce2 (Normal; evolution doesn't fly and looks like a bigger Dunsparce)
    • Primeape3 (Fighting/Ghost; evolution method is interesting; has long fur and looks like a hermit)
    • Bisharp3
  • Paradox Pokemon (Ancient/Future forms) are considered different Pokemon, will have separate Pokedex entries and have different names.
    • Paradox Pokemon only change in name and appearance. It is currently unclear if their types change or not.
    • These Pokemon do not evolve, but are very strong in battle.
    • Ancient forms are Scarlet-exclusive. Future forms are Violet-exclusive.
    • These Pokemon are found on the endgame area, and you can encounter several of them unlike SM's Ultra Beasts.
      • Ancient Jigglypuff
      • Ancient Misdreavus
      • Ancient Amoonguss
      • Ancient Pseudo-legendary
      • Future Delibird
      • Future Hariyama
      • Future Gallade/Gardevoir
      • Future Salamence
      • Ancient & Future Volcarona
      • Ancient & Future Gen 2 Pokemon
  • There is a minotaur, but it's not a new Pokemon.
  • Hypno does not evolve but may get a new form.
  • Convergent Pokemon/RFakes aren't real. Khu admitted that he had mistaken the new eel Pokemon as a Diglett variant.
  • New Rotom forms were found in the data, but was removed.
  • No new forms for Magnemite, Lucario, Dodrio, Lugia, Ho-oh.
  • No new evolutions for Eevee, Golduck, Sunflora, Maractus.
Gimmick Details (Crystallization)
  • A special ball-like item given by Nemona, that can be used once per battle. Tera Orb will lose all it's Terastal energy once you Terastallize a Pokémon.
  • Can be used on all Pokemon (including Paradox Pokemon), but reverts once recalled or fainted. Terastal phenomenon can be used by all Pokémon in Paldea, confirmed by official site.
  • When used, it gives the Pokemon a crystalline aura and additional flourish (like the skull-and-bones). Crystal-like aura and decorative crown confirmed.
  • It buffs a single type (which can be changed). Mechanics of Terastal phenomenon confirmed.
  • These forms are not registered in the Pokedex. Temporary form change.
Uncertain (from Kaka's Q&A)
  • If Quaxly's evo fights with its legs
  • If Kneading is Sprigatito's signature move
  • If Ursaring, Stantler, or Scyther can evolve into PLA evos
 
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Orphalesion

Orphalesion

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Captain Jigglypuff said:
Or not make him smile that way. That’s what disturbed me the most.
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The big, extremely wide open, staring eyes didn't help.

Particularly since there was something about, I think the colour or stylization that made them look like blank doll eyes, especially since he didn't have any pupils, just empty irises. (his eyes look like the ones on the mask of that Pokeball guy!).

In general the whole cop looks like a puppet rather than a person, which wasn't the case with the rest of the trainer classes in SwSh, making him even weirder.
 
Marzbar

Marzbar

Well-Known Member
Totodi1e said:
Taking into account yesterday's presentation, I take another look at the leaks we have (page 1).

Correct leaks
Considerations/Speculations
Unconfirmed until now
Incorrect leaks

Region/Characters/Story Info
  • Parudeya [パルデヤ] Region. Has 3 cities and 9 towns. Paldea confirmed. Map has 12 settlements visible if you count two on icy mountain.
    • The region is considerably larger than all of Hisui combined if you consider the oceans and islands that surround it.
  • Gyms can be done in any order, but the teams/levels don't change.
    • Gym Leader types: Bug, Grass, Water, Ice, Electric, Normal, Ghost, Psychic. Grusha confirmed as Ice-type specialist.
    • Gym Leaders have "important secrets".
    • They also have jobs such as: streamer (Magnemite-haired girl), snowboarder, rapper. Grusha used to be a professional snowboarder.
    • Each gym can be cleared twice in the main game.
  • Rival is a red-haired female whose personality is not like Hop. Penny has red hair and shy personality.
  • Elite Four returns.
    • One of them is a kid.
    • Types used by E4 does not overlap those of Gym Leaders.
  • Champion's gender depends on the game's version.
  • Prof. Sada & Turo ONLY appears on their respective versions. Official site states: "For the first time in the series, one of two different professors will appear in your game depending on the version you choose to play".
  • There are classes, interviews and exams in the game. Classes confirmed, with Mr. Jacq being "your homeroom teacher". Interviews and exams unconfirmed.
  • The racing flags signify "enemies/opponents".
  • SV's story is "tear jerkingly good"
  • SV has multiple endings. There are a total of 3 routes. Finishing all 3 leads to the true ending. Three stories confirmed.
  • Plot spoiler:
    • You cannot use your own Pokemon during the climax battle.
    • You cannot use Koraidon/Miraidon in battle not until the climax.
Gameplay Info
  • Wild Pokemon levels do not scale.
  • Clothing options (based on what the leaker have seen so far) are only limited to pants and shorts, all tops are school uniforms, and facial customization is still in. Facial and uniform customization confirmed.
  • The camera is controllable during battle.
  • Mass outbreaks return.
  • Alpha Pokemon are present, but under a different name and are tied to the story.
  • Overworld Pokemon size variation returns.
  • Shiny Pokemon can be seen on the overworld.
  • Picnics are the new camping mechanic.
    • Eggs are obtained through this feature.
    • You can wash your Pokemon during picnics, which heals their HP and raises friendship.
  • Pokemon can only follow you outdoors. Pokémon following you confirmed. At least, the starters first stage. Unconfirmed if limited to outdoors.
  • The move tutor feature is similar to PLA, and is accessible via the in-game menu (pressing X).
  • There is a "Time Warping" feature that only applies to Pokemon.
  • There is an Auction feature with NPCs. You can only buy from them though.
    • Rotom's catalog can only be obtained through auctions.
  • There is an NPC who will trade Pokemon from a previous game.
  • There is DLC.
  • There are raid battles.
  • You do not visit Kalos post-game.
  • Missing/removed/changed features:
    • No daycare centers (see Picnics above)
    • No ranked battles (for now).
    • No new types, but will introduce new type combinations.
    • No new evolutionary stones.
    • No National Dex.
    • No difficulty settings.
    • No returning characters.
    • No Mega Evolution.
    • No Z-Moves.
    • No bicycle.
    • No fishing.
    • No voice acting.
    • The ability "Download" has been removed.
General Pokemon Info
  • The National Dex now surpasses 1,000 total Pokemon. The 1,000th Pokemon is nothing special.
  • Regional Pokedex has around 400 Pokemon.
  • There is a sidequest that Eevee fans will enjoy. Maybe related to Penny?
  • All previous starters, all fossil Pokemon, Unown, Jynx, Wailord, Metagross, Milotic, Golurk, Minior, Furfrou, Aipom, Toucannon, Woobat, Applin, Beedrill, Porygon, Sharpedo, Smeargle, Meltan are absent.
  • Rotom, Garchomp, Sunflora, Goodra (and Hisuian Goodra), Rotom, Komala, Teddiursa, Weezing, Houndour, Skwovet, Mimikyu, Staraptor, Magikarp, Salamence, Crabominable, Snover and a certain cactus Pokemon are present. Rotom, Houndour, Skwovet, Magikarp and Gyarados, Bagon (and Salamence), Starly (and Staraptor).
  • Not all Hisuian forms are in the game. At least Hisuian Zoroark is in the game.
New Pokemon Info
  • There are 120-140 new Pokemon.
    • This includes actual new Gen 9 Pokemon, regional variants, ancient/future forms, and convergent Pokemon (see 'New Forms' section).
  • Starter details:
    • Spirgatito's evo is "so-so" in terms of cuteness, has a broken hidden ability, and has a magician theme.
    • Fuecoco has a singer/rockstar theme. It's middle evo has a flaming egg on its head. The final evo has a flaming bird instead. Its signature move has something to do with sound.
    • Quaxly has a dancer theme.
    • Starters leg count as they evolve:
      • Sprigatito: 4 > 2 > 2
      • Fuecoco: 2 > 2 > 4
      • Quaxly: 2 > 2 > 2
  • New Pokemon:
    • Pawmi2 + Pawmi3 (Electric/Fighting)
      • It has a 1 PP move that revives fainted Pokemon.
      • Pawmi is a marmot and IS the first stage.
    • Lechonk2 that differ by gender
    • Smoliv2 + Smoliv3 (an olive tree)
    • flamingo (Flying/Fighting; does not evolve)
    • parakeet (does not evolve)
    • earthworm (does not evolve)
    • dung beetle (evolves once)
    • frog (evolves once)
    • bird
    • fish
    • dolphin
    • ostrich (Psychic)
    • crab
    • eel (Water)
    • chili pepper
    • spider line
    • dog line 1 (Ghost; evolves at least once) Fidough isn't this line, since it's a Fairy-type, but possible one of the dogs lines mentioned next. Still, nothing confirms that it evolves at least once.
    • dog line 2 (evolves at least once)
    • dog line 3 (evolves at least once)
    • artificial intelligence
    • coin line (evolves into a gold 'ningen') Cetitan is a white colored ningen Pokémon. Maybe there is another ningen, a gold colored one linked with the coin?
    • motorcycle
    • samurai
    • Kamen Rider-inspired (from Khu)
    • 2-stage engine line
    • 2-stage icicle line
    • 2-stage salt line
    • 2-stage hammer-wielding fairy line (Fairy/???; one of the E4's ace)
    • ??? (Grass/Fire)
    • 4 sub-legendaries
  • Koraidon/Miraidon are the only ride Pokemon.
    • They act similar to PLA ride Pokemon (flying, swimming, climbing, etc). Different builds/modes confirmed.
    • Koraidon/Miraidon don't have 5 forms.
  • There is no third mascot legendary.
  • No peacock Pokemon.
  • No new fossil Pokemon.
New Forms/Evolutions Info
  • The only regional variants:
    • R-Wooper (Poison) Paldean Wooper confirmed. Type combination of Poison/Ground.
    • Tauros has four forms in the game. None of its forms are either Steel, Flying, Ghost, Dragon, Fairy or Normal.
      • Tauros (Normal)
      • R-Tauros A (Fighting)
      • R-Tauros B (???/???)
      • R-Tauros C (???/???)
  • Pokemon with new evolutions:
    • R-Wooper2
    • Girafarig2 (Psychic)
    • Dunsparce2 (Normal; evolution doesn't fly and looks like a bigger Dunsparce)
    • Primeape3 (Fighting/Ghost; evolution method is interesting; has long fur and looks like a hermit)
    • Bisharp3
  • Paradox Pokemon (Ancient/Future forms) are considered different Pokemon, will have separate Pokedex entries and have different names.
    • Paradox Pokemon only change in name and appearance. It is currently unclear if their types change or not.
    • These Pokemon do not evolve, but are very strong in battle.
    • Ancient forms are Scarlet-exclusive. Future forms are Violet-exclusive.
    • These Pokemon are found on the endgame area, and you can encounter several of them unlike SM's Ultra Beasts.
      • Ancient Jigglypuff
      • Ancient Misdreavus
      • Ancient Amoonguss
      • Ancient Pseudo-legendary
      • Future Delibird
      • Future Hariyama
      • Future Gallade/Gardevoir
      • Future Salamence
      • Ancient & Future Volcarona
      • Ancient & Future Gen 2 Pokemon
  • There is a minotaur, but it's not a new Pokemon.
  • Hypno does not evolve but may get a new form.
  • Convergent Pokemon/RFakes aren't real. Khu admitted that he had mistaken the new eel Pokemon as a Diglett variant.
  • New Rotom forms were found in the data, but was removed.
  • No new forms for Magnemite, Lucario, Dodrio, Lugia, Ho-oh.
  • No new evolutions for Eevee, Golduck, Sunflora, Maractus.
Gimmick Details (Crystallization)
  • A special ball-like item given by Nemona, that can be used once per battle. Tera Orb will lose all it's Terastal energy once you Terastallize a Pokémon.
  • Can be used on all Pokemon (including Paradox Pokemon), but reverts once recalled or fainted. Terastal phenomenon can be used by all Pokémon in Paldea, confirmed by official site.
  • When used, it gives the Pokemon a crystalline aura and additional flourish (like the skull-and-bones). Crystal-like aura and decorative crown confirmed.
  • It buffs a single type (which can be changed). Mechanics of Terastal phenomenon confirmed.
  • These forms are not registered in the Pokedex. Temporary form change.
Uncertain (from Kaka's Q&A)
  • If Quaxly's evo fights with its legs
  • If Kneading is Sprigatito's signature move
  • If Ursaring, Stantler, or Scyther can evolve into PLA evos
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You missed two. Gym leaders in any order is confirmed, and raid battles are confirmed.
 
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