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Satoshi Haters - Explain Yourselves

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by Jesse GS the II, Nov 26, 2008.

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  1. Buizelster

    Buizelster Well-Known Member

    Yeah I agree.

    I think sometimes people get upset with Satoshi stopping them for capturing wild pokemon under the excuse that they're taking it away from its friends. Because they think Satoshi is no better.

    Basically they think Satoshi is a hypocrite.
     
  2. foxyman1167

    foxyman1167 From Zero To Hero

    I couldn't agree more. The worst part about DP BD is that Dawn is annoyingly dumb, with Brock jumping in and providing the answers, plus Dawn always repeats everything see has seen, heard, or said.

    I don't like Ash either because he barely puts any effort into training, and somehow wins battles. On the other hand, Paul trains against strong pokemon, which in turn make his own pokemon powerful, unlike Ash, who trains his pokemon against each other, and Dawn and Brock's pokemon, who aren't experienced in battle at all, and still manages to beat gym after gym, league after league, and rival after rival.
     
  3. BlitzBlast

    BlitzBlast Busy with School

    I've come to the conclusion that the only reason Ash and co. stop TR when they try to steal wild pokemon is this.

    Ash and co. DON'T know that TR intends to give the pokemon to the Boss (Heck, they rarely seem to do that with the pokemon they DO catch). In fact, every time TR successfully catches a wild pokemon, they use it against them. So for Ash and co, if they stop TR from catching that Gloom, they don't have to face it later on.

    Makes sense.

    And the reason I think most people hated Ash was that rather insensitive comment he made after TR lost Weezing and Arbok to personally stop those hunters.

    "Not like Team Rocket could ever do anything good"

    Of course, Ash had not witnessed what TR had done, and his only experience with them wasn't the best thing to build friendship on, but to the viewers, the remark seemed rather rude.
     
  4. Typhlosion Trainer

    Typhlosion Trainer Fire Trainer

    True, but when it comes to battling gyms, it takes more than just power to win a gym battle (like it was said in the show). Yes, Ash doesn't train alot, but he does have different strategies that help him in battle.
     
  5. BlackGiratina

    BlackGiratina Sneasel Meister

    Interesting topic. Let's see... why do I resent Ash... or Satoshi, if you prefer. My reasons may be pretty bias... but that's how I roll.

    First off... he's too much of a goody-goody person. Surely he could back off and let people deal with their own problems sometimes... The one time I liked his personality was in this episode in the Battle Pyramid or something... when that evil king guy possesses him. And that wasn't even his personality.

    And I guess the fact that he always wins, in the end, upsets me. I wish he'd lose more... and that Team Rocket would actually be able to get away with a trap.
    Also the part where his Pikachu always beats everything. Sure,it's a TV show that's very different from the game, but... yeah. Pikachu beating, oh, say, a Dragonite with... Thunder? I think not. It may have a base damage of 120, but... haha. No.

    Lastly, I believe I find him annoying mainly because... I naturally like villains or darker characters (J, Paul, Zero, etc) better than the heroes. Weird, I know...

    Well, that's what I think. If people like him, sure, I don't care. As long as they don't talk about how 'awesome' he is, yeah. So that's my Satoshi Hater explanation.
     
  6. Buizelster

    Buizelster Well-Known Member

    What do you mean he puts no effort into training? He's shown training his pokemon all the time. It's not like he's just sitting on his butt doing nothing.
     
  7. BlitzBlast

    BlitzBlast Busy with School

    Kind of a bad explanation.
     
  8. BlackGiratina

    BlackGiratina Sneasel Meister


    Yeah... I know. I'm not too great at explaining stuff. Sorry.
    I did, at one point, really like him... that was at the series' start, though, then I started missing the show on TV and when I started watching again, I was thinking, "What...?"
     
  9. Typhlosion Trainer

    Typhlosion Trainer Fire Trainer

    That's how is personality is, he likes to help people out. I don't see how thats a reason to hate him. Guess, it's just your opinion.

    Um....no he doesn't. If he won all the time, then that means he would have won every league he has been in. He shouldn't win all the time because that would make the show boring but you would think he would win somethings, and those things were the Orange League battle and the Battle Frontier. So this reason is invalid.


    Your opinion.
     
  10. Zazie

    Zazie So 1991

    Self Defense against what? Team Rocket do not command their pokemon to attack Ash, why does he use his pokemon to attck them? The Trix rabbit is always trying to stal the kids Trix, should the kids beat on him with a stick? No. He even attacks them when they aren't doing anything wrong.
     
  11. ShinyCharyZard

    ShinyCharyZard Honesty=Infractions

    Honestly, the ignorance of some people...

    Electabuzz line > Pikachu line....Thats how it has always been and thats how it will continue to be until Pikachu defeats Pauls Electabuzz/vire in the league showdown.
     
  12. Typhlosion Trainer

    Typhlosion Trainer Fire Trainer

    Um....have you been watching the show? Everytime Ash gets into it with Team Rocket they send out there pokemon and command them to attack Ash and the gang. You probably think its not self-defense since Ash always beat them. Since Team Rocket attacks Ash first, then it is self defense and also its him saving his Pokemon if Team Rocket tries to steal them.

    Also I don't remember an episode in which Ash attacked them when they didnt do anything, unless you are talking about some episodes in which one of his pokemon's attacks hit them while they were hiding. And that would be called an accident or karma against Team Rocket.
     
  13. Buizelster

    Buizelster Well-Known Member

    So I guess anyone that attacks team rocket is a complete douche then. That's the impression I'm getting.
     
  14. BlitzBlast

    BlitzBlast Busy with School

    I am pretty sure that during the Orange Islands season, Pikachu owned an Electabuzz.
     
  15. Zazie

    Zazie So 1991

    Has any of Team Rockets pokemon ever harmed Ash. I do not remember ever seeing that happen. Though you could be right about it not seeming that way because Ash always wins.
     
  16. Buizelster

    Buizelster Well-Known Member

    So stopping Team Rocket from doing bad stuff is a bad thing? Where's the logic in that?

    Ash can't help the fact he has to do Officer Jenny's job for her.
     
  17. randomspot555

    randomspot555 Well-Known Member

    They're trying to steal Pokemon for evil means and have put Ash and his friends' lives in danger multiple times.*

    (Their plots were a bit more deadly in the first few years of the series).

    How is this hard to understand? It doesn't matter if their Pokemon have ever physically hurt Ash, the fact is they send them out to attack Ash and steal Pokemon.
     
  18. Typhlosion Trainer

    Typhlosion Trainer Fire Trainer

    Well of course Team Rockets Pokemon never harmed Ash that much because they are poorly trained. But that doesn't change the fact that they always attack him with either their pokemon or their gigantic machines. All he does is defends his Pokemon, his friends, and himself. There is nothing wrong with that.
     
  19. Buizelster

    Buizelster Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing Satoshi would be a better person then if he let Team Rocket do whatever they want?
     
  20. knuclear200x

    knuclear200x Well-Known Member

    What a huge thread. Not sure if anyone said this yet, but I hate him because:

    1) He doesn't catch 'em all.
    2) He gives away/releases some of the good ones.
    3) His monsters lack training and some aren't completely evolved.
    4) He doesn't catch enough monsters, nor bothers to use his old ones. (There's a good reason but still)
    5) Due to all of this, he NEVER wins any League Championships. Except one...out of FIVE league championships.
    6) Most of his captures are monsters that want to be captured.

    Another thing, when WE do it, all we do is fight fight fight and catch catch catch and maybe go to a contest. So that is why i feel this way.
     
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