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Say something positive about your least favorite series

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by Sham, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. Zoruagible

    Zoruagible Lover of underrated characters

    Don George
    Sad they didn't keep him around. Really enjoyed seeing all those interactions and mash ups that you'll literally never see again. You never see Brock facing Paul, Misty facing Gary, Ash facing Solidad.... Cilan beating Trip was just straight awesome! Galar would be a great place for him to come back, seeing how the region loves battling.... but I doubt it

    Ash's first fully evolved team. Everyone save for the gym hog Talonflame was an awesome Pokemon and I loved them all! Hope the Galar team is like this, or close enough like AG/DP where only one ain't fully evolved

    SM..... Team Rocket/Bewear, Kiawe and Gladion/Lusamine. Team Rocket finally got fixed after Best Wishes broke them, I do hope Bewear gets to stay otherwise they'll likely just end up like their BW/XY selves again. And Kiawe is the first male since Brock to not feel like a waste of space in the last half of the series, plus the first one to have a battle aligned goal and focus. Making him more interesting, sure Clemont may have been... but he also had the invention thing as a focus, and his goal was mediocre as hell "I wanna be a good gym leader" Okay.... that happened when you battled Ash, he basically did nothing after that and Ash was the only battle he actually did.... yet somehow people actually think that guy's better than Brock? lol Kiawe's the only male that can compete with Brock, sorry.
    I love how Lusamine wasn't resorted to her game form, and Gladion's change was also cool although I feel he got too close to Ash too fast. Those changes actually worked, unlike Lillie who just acts like a straight up brat to her mother for no valid reasoning. Lillie and SM fanboys try and fail every time, Lillie has no reason to act that way. Lusamine's the best mother she can be
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  2. AvatarKorrina

    AvatarKorrina Banned

    My least favourite series was the Original Series since unlike others I thought that it was full of flaws most notably the pacing in Kanto and later in Johto. But even with that, I thought that some of the filler episodes were really creative and many of them made me laugh which is very rare for the anime these days. I also liked how Ash had more charisma back then than he does now.
  3. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    I definitely felt that Satoshi was much more witty back then in terms of his interactions with his friends. He was also a bit sassier with the Rocket-dan back in Kanto and the Orange Islands arc overall, and some of my favorite Satoshi moments were his interactions with the trio in certain OS episodes, like the Pigeot episode where he started jumping up and down on the tree to make the Rocket-dan trio fall and get attacked by wild Onisuzume.
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  4. Peter Harrison

    Peter Harrison Well-Known Member

    -Lillie and Gladion are very good characters and have some good development.
    Misty and Brock’s return was awesome and were great episodes to watch.
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  5. Apslup

    Apslup Feelin' Fine.

    BW: The moments they gave to Iris were really good. The series as a whole could have been better if they focused on Iris more instead of making her just an annoying background character. Ash's Krookodile is amazing. I liked the more serious Team Rocket that they presented, since they still kept their silly side intact, but toned it down.

    AG: The Battle Frontier Arc is amazing. It's just the Hoenn portion that's a bit boring to me.
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2019
  6. Kintaro

    Kintaro Banned

    It's funny, for years Johto used to be considered the low point of the anime, but now that BW and SM exist, now I'm not so sure. Granted all the sagas do still have good episodes, but there's just so many flaws holding them back.

    Johto: Even though the original trio dynamic fell apart here, I do think Misty and Brock had stronger solo episodes here than Kanto. It's weird, Misty herself was more entertaining in Kanto, but she technically got a bit more to do in Johto. It still wasn't enough however as Misty is treated like a background character outside the eps that focus on water pokemon. And considering Johto went on for 156 episodes, that's a whole lot of episodes of her doing nothing.

    BW: I liked Cilan as he was a vast improvement over DP Brock. He may have gotten too overbearing at times, but I was so happy Brock was finally gone from the anime I didn't care. Good god was I ready to see Brock leave for years before he actually did.

    SM: Mallow's mother episode is probably one of the best and most emotional episodes of the entire series.
  7. BTS_fan

    BTS_fan Banned

    That was probably more of a dub thing unless he was just as sassy in the Japanese version? I've never seen it but I know that the dub took liberties with some of his lines and made him more rude in some scenes at least according to Dogasu.
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  8. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    In most cases the main gist of what he was saying was kept although his dialogue wasn't always translated faithfully, and in a few instances he was somewhat more rude towards the Rocket-dan in the dub than he was in the Japanese version from what I can remember. But since those three made his life miserable by constantly chasing after him and Pikachu, I could easily ignore some of his more inconsiderate dub remarks back in the OS era of the anime.
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  9. Redstar45


    Some time he can be rude or something like that toward the trios but most he usually just get "shonen" piss mode to them as it is hero vs villains gag thing.
  10. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    I think it's less ruder but more 'dry wit' added, like he has genuinely funny and sarcastic lines. I don't know how much of this exists in the Japanese version back then, but the majority of the time in later episodes he just repeats the same stock indignant quotes against TR (though SM shows him being a bit more snarky towards other characters). It's ironic that the longer the formula went the LESS likely they were to make fun of how long TR had been doing this shtick.

    The mischievous and meta aware side of Ash and the other twerps around TR was definitely something that made their rivalry more charming in the earlier episodes, and the omission of led to their face-offs feeling more like a boring tumour to the stories (I mean they were a third wheel in those days too, but that was the actual humour). They went from a dynamic that made fun of repetitive hero vs villain formulas to completely playing it straight.
  11. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    I have noticed that in recent sagas Satoshi and his friends seem less aggrieved when the Rocket-dan shows up, almost as if they know to expect it by now and they can barely muster the strength to be genuinely upset, so they simply go through the motions as if they've rehearsed for those moments beforehand.
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  12. Emelie

    Emelie Bookworm

    I think the rivalry with Mimikyu and Pikachu changed the dynamic between Satoshi and Team Rocket. They have never really had a strong Pokémon like this before so it's almost as if he is excited to fight them in some episodes.

    Not sure if SM is my least favorite saga though. It is kind of a mixed bag. Some episodes are really emotional while other episodes seem almost pointless because of how uneventful they are. There are also too many characters and the plot with the villian (who isn't even a villian anymore) happened too fast and was resolved too easily.

    After this nothing was really at stake anymore and I lost the ability to take Lusamine seriously as a villian especially since she was basically a damsel in distress in the Ultra games who needed to be rescued from the past male villians. Kind of left a bad taste in my mouth since she was the first female main antagonist.

    But then again there are also all these emotional scenes:

    Lillie overcoming her trauma, Litten losing his father figure, the bond between Musashi and Mimikyu who are not so different, all the Miniors sacrificing themselves to feed Rayquaza who protects the Earth and Mallow coping with the grief of losing her mother...
  13. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    I find the whole Mimikkyu and Pikachu rivalry to be really interesting and it's definitely one of my favorite things about SM despite how much some of the gags bother me. At least as far as battles go, Mimikkyu versus Pikachu always deliver.
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  14. Ignition

    Ignition Obliterated a god with the power of friendship

    Mimikyu’s gag has been played out imo. I did like their battle on Ula Ula though
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  15. BTS_fan

    BTS_fan Banned

    On this subject, where's that one guy who keeps saying that Mimikyu might kill Pikachu? I dunno if he's still a member here, but I remember him making several threads about his fear that Mimikyu will commit murder the next time he fights Pikachu. :p
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  16. Emelie

    Emelie Bookworm

    Yeah, it did become a little repetitive after a while. But then again there are a lot of repetitive gags in the anime. At least this time it had some kind of effect on the overall story since Pikachu had to become smarter and learn new moves in order to survive Mimikyu's wrath LOL.

    Nice change of pace since Pikachu usually turns the other cheek when encountering a mean or hostile Pokémon.
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  17. Ryu Taylor

    Ryu Taylor Unwavering beliefs

    Ash's battle against Paul wasn't the best of the whole series, but it was the best of my least favorite saga.
  18. wolf jani

    wolf jani #ScorbunnySquad

    BW: The mini tournaments were fun. I'd like to see them brought back.
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  19. Litleonid

    Litleonid Well-Known Member

    Best Wishes: Uhh....I like how they often had those tournaments and even gave Ash's companions rivals.

    Sun and Moon: The art style is beautiful and the animation is very fluid.
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  20. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

    For BW?

    The fact it ended its atrocious train ride for good. Ha ha.

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