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Say something positive about your least favorite series

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by Sham, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. J.Agera

    J.Agera Well-Known Member

    Sun and Moon's Ash vs Misty and Brock vs Kiawae battle was amazing.
     
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  2. Blastmaster

    Blastmaster Well-Known Member

    BW's tournament arcs were pretty cool, Snivy and Krookodile were cool, and Cilan was pretty funny. The episodes with Meowth joining Ash were also fun, even though they never really went anywhere.

    I'd also say it had a lot of interesting ideas, but like... anyone can have good ideas, so bleh.
     
  3. MusicFan22

    MusicFan22 Active Member

    Best Wishes had some badass gym leaders, I liked Iris and Cilan, Bianca was awesome, and I enjoyed a lot of the new Pokémon like the starters, Roggenrola, and Krookodile.
     
  4. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    Best Wishes did have quite a few good Gym battles especially during the second half of the region, although the battle at the Raimon Gym still haunts me somewhat since it totally ruined the momentum that Satoshi had built up in the first three Gyms of the saga. His strategy against Kamitsure was just awfully embarrassing.
     
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  5. MockingJ

    MockingJ Banned

    I liked them all except Skyla since she was lazy and didn't want to battle when Ash and friends first met her. Her philosophy about not needing to battle if she thought that she had a clear advantage just so she could have more free time to fly her plane was messed up.
     
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  6. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

    BW gym leaders basically have no officials judging them. There's no justice for what they do and they can brush a trainer off for petty reasons just so they don't battle (Clyde being the most insulting, because he practically demanded Ash to go get the equivalent of Pokemon weed...and he's an immigrant, unlike his better portrayal in the games).

    ...Which is disturbing, because it's no different than unlawful justice in the US, and that region was based on the US. I sometimes think the writers wrote Unova sooo badly with intentions to shame the US that there were so many stupid/stuck up/zany trainers all over the place (basically nearly all the trainers/rivals Ash met except for Virgil). Even the Champion of the region was written as a guy who is so embarrassing to look at times.
     
  7. Sham

    Sham show the unknown

    The reasons why Ash acted so stupidly is because he started hanging out with Americans. On a serious note I think your theory maybe true looking back it's weird that Trip was so again't Ash being from a different place/country. Pokemon was really throwing subliminal messages in BW.
     
  8. MusicFan22

    MusicFan22 Active Member

    I don’t really blame you, because her attitude was problematic. I think that apart from LT Surge, Skyla was the only gym leader that Ash had a legitimate reason to be angry with.
     
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  9. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    And she didn't even launch him out of cannons like game!Skyla.

    As much as I love the Don George tournaments (Bianca beating Trip and Throh vs Sawk are highlights of BW as a whole), the Unova League shows why maybe they're not so great an idea. The writers only have so much creativity, and they used a lot of it writing the tournaments, which caused the League to suffer massively as a result.
     
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  10. janejane6178

    janejane6178 XY over SM (ew) ANYDAY!!!! <3 (Anything actually)

    SM - didnt theew TR and ends soon
     
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  11. LilligantLewis

    LilligantLewis primarina donna

    Yes and therefore I'm going to copy and paste my answer from it:

    BW:
    1. It's evaluation time!
    2. Cilan was a breath of fresh air after Brock had become stale. I liked the episodes where they were like bros like the double battle episode.
    3. Episode N
    4. how Da! had a lot of callbacks to the past
    5. Alexa debuting and debuting Gen VI Pokémon. It was nice to see after I thought they had stopped that tradition in the DP-BW transition.
    6. Competent TR - Giovanni actually showing up in Unova and battling Ash - being the main villain arc for once
    7. the Meowth arc
    8. the origin of the Dunsparce meme
    9. The Team Plasma arc having a 6-part finale, still the most episodes in a villain finale
    10. all the tournament arcs
    11. All main characters actually being active battlers (largely because of the tournament arcs)
    12. Ash having a female rival for once
    13. the Bianca gag where she got Ash wet
    14. all main characters having rivals for once
    15. Dawn and Cynthia returning
    16. TR stopping appearing in every episode

    What about:
    -Whirl Cup
    -Lugia 3-parter
    -Red Gyarados/Lake of Rage 2-parter
    -Pryce's involvement in the Lake of Rage episodes and how it leads directly into his gym battle
    -Larvitar arc
    -Clair 5-parter
    -Ash/Gary
    -Blaziken making its anime debut before Typhlosion
    -wait that last one is a bad thing

    Did you mean Roxie?

    Bonnie was a little kid done right

    I think people thought that getting on its good side would be good enough for a lower-tier Pokémon but not good enough for a PSEUDOLEGENDARY. Then again, the writers probably don't realize the difference.

    Hm, if it was originally supposed to be their last appearance I'm surprised Giovanni didn't admit to being Ash's dad.

    There's a lot of evidence that a lot of Alola took inspiration from the Orange Islands. The 4 gym leaders with unique gyms with tasks that aren't always battling. The Crystal Onix having a different typing.

    The battle in the abandoned mart was the best Ash vs. TR battle in the history of the show.

    It was the best of all time and the best of the best series.
     
  12. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    BW was probably the one series that tried to do a bit of everything at top notch battle wise and I think ultimately that's why it capsized. Making frequent mini-tournaments, rival battles, and even a lot of the Team Rocket face-offs halfway good was too much for them and ultimately led to everything eventually falling apart from over work. I just don't think the writers can consistently choreograph solid battles, they need breathers. XY and DP had solid 'main event' battles but wedged between loads of underwhelming fillers. I think that's why SM is basically a break from professional battling and even downplays focus on dumbed down battles like bad guy curb stomps. The writers want to experiment with alternatives so they don't exhaust things again.
     
  13. Ignition

    Ignition Obliterated a god with the power of friendship

    -Besides Ash vs Misty, I found it boring. Neat idea, mediocre execution
    -Lugia’s 3 parter fits the second half of the above statement
    -Read above
    -Eh Pryce wasn’t all that interesting. Nice to see events of the anime connecting with each other though
    -Larvitar’s arc was nice but ultimately pointless
    -I hate Clair sorry
    -Overrated battle imo outside of Charizard vs Blastoise. Lack of consistent interactions between the two hurts the impact
    -Blaziken messed up both Charizard & Typhlosion to exert dominance as the best Fire starter:p
     

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