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September 15th: SM139 - He's Born! The Alolan League Winner!!

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AuraChannelerChris

The Dragon / "Dog"
Of cooooooooourse a Mythical under Ash's team would job. Tobias is disgusted.

Screenplay 藤咲淳一 (Junichi Fujisaku)

Lmao. Gladion almost definitely has this now. Kids are supposed to look up to Ash?!
Can you believe someone outside of this forum argued that Ash is supposed to be a role model for always working hard despite losing...so many times...and never actually making real progress.
 

k6666

Pikachu Fan
i just lose my hope of ash winning why just why fujisaku
 

ash&charizardfan

Humans are tools
Its ironic that it took ash 22 years to get his first mythical and even that has jobbed to other pokemon. His special pokemon hve always been underwhelming, goodra first pokemon who was so called pseudo legendary was a jobber and now melmetal joins them as well.
 
Its ironic that it took ash 22 years to get his first mythical and even that has jobbed to other pokemon. His special pokemon hve always been underwhelming, goodra first pokemon who was so called pseudo legendary was a jobber and now melmetal joins them as well.
If even a special Greninja loses, why would a Mythical like Melmetal win. Melmetal isn't Ash secret weapon that is for sure.
 

Ambyssin

Winter can't come soon enough
Are people really using the episode writer to assume Ash will lose? Despite Fujikasu getting assigned to episodes where Ash implausibly pulls through situations where he was pushed into a corner? Maybe this really will be the "Dusk Lycanroc reveals Counter at the opportune moment" situation quite a few people have suggested could happen?
 

Red and Blue

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The clash will probably be Splintered Shardstorm vs. Devestating Drake. The promo mention the Dragonium Z as one of Lycanroc's Z moves
 

Red and Blue

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Also this means that Lycanroc will be the one to bring Ash victory not Pikachu. Though Pikachu got Silvally out of the way for Ash so that is something
 

dman_dustin

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Okay who the hell hired Junichi Fujisaku for Pokemon anime anyway. Did the producers want to watch the world burn.

The ONLY possible good thing is that it would be weird to have the summary FOR this episode to mention Silvally beating Melmetal if it happened in the previous episode, because the previous episode had a lot more than just Melmetal vs Silvally.

If it is straight forward and Melmetal was used and defeated without doing anything, then yeah, Junichi needs to find another anime to screw the protagonist over. I just don't understand why the producers ever approved of a writer being a villain/dick towards their main protagonist especially if somehow magically the protagonist wins the match.
 

Jangobadass

well frack me...
Are people really using the episode writer to assume Ash will lose? Despite Fujikasu getting assigned to episodes where Ash implausibly pulls through situations where he was pushed into a corner? Maybe this really will be the "Dusk Lycanroc reveals Counter at the opportune moment" situation quite a few people have suggested could happen?
Thing is, Ash winning could--and probably will--suck too.

From the start I have NOT been comfortable with Ash winning the Alola League because he barely even counts a trainer this saga. Melmetal makes me even less enthusiastic about it, because Ash winning because his-nigh random Mythical evolved would be as cheal as a paper plate in a dollar store.

So win or lose, it's going to suck for a lot of people. (BTW, I'd rather he lost)
 
Okay who the hell hired Junichi Fujisaku for Pokemon anime anyway. Did the producers want to watch the world burn.

The ONLY possible good thing is that it would be weird to have the summary FOR this episode to mention Silvally beating Melmetal if it happened in the previous episode, because the previous episode had a lot more than just Melmetal vs Silvally.

If it is straight forward and Melmetal was used and defeated without doing anything, then yeah, Junichi needs to find another anime to screw the protagonist over. I just don't understand why the producers ever approved of a writer being a villain/dick towards their main protagonist especially if somehow magically the protagonist wins the match.
Is he even famous for other popular Animé?
 

ash&charizardfan

Humans are tools
If even a special Greninja loses, why would a Mythical like Melmetal win. Melmetal isn't Ash secret weapon that is for sure.
Thing with special greninja is it won it fair share of matches and wasn't a jobber like with goodra and melmetal(in full probability) here.
 

Red and Blue

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Thing is, Ash winning could--and probably will--suck too.

From the start I have NOT been comfortable with Ash winning the Alola League because he barely even counts a trainer this saga. Melmetal makes me even less enthusiastic about it, because Ash winning because his-nigh random Mythical evolved would be as cheal as a paper plate in a dollar store.

So win or lose, it's going to suck for a lot of people. (BTW, I'd rather he lost)
Thing is though he isn't winning thanks to Melmetal cause Melmetal is going to job. At best it will soften up Silvally a bit for Pikachu
 

dman_dustin

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Thing is, Ash winning could--and probably will--suck too.

From the start I have NOT been comfortable with Ash winning the Alola League because he barely even counts a trainer this saga. Melmetal makes me even less enthusiastic about it, because Ash winning because his-nigh random Mythical evolved would be as cheal as a paper plate in a dollar store.

So win or lose, it's going to suck for a lot of people. (BTW, I'd rather he lost)
As someone said in a conversation about this.

People are going to count this as another loss if Ash loses. But those same people won't call this a legitimate win if he wins. And everyone agreed that it was ridiculous that it was going to be viewed this way.

I on the hand would only feel the win as meaningless if they decide to retire Ash after this generation because Ash did not deserve to retire after this horrible generation when it comes to development of Ash and his Pokemon. Oh yeah sure there's countless move learning and slice of life episodes but they served no real purpose but to be like "HEY at least we are trying" rather than give his Pokemon the development they deserve. Although if Best Wishes is anything to go by, they will ignore development for a cheap gag, yeah sure different writers different styles, but SURELY they talk to each other, right.

And even though Delia and Oak show up, Ash deserves proper closure, not just simply an end to the Alola region including past characters showing up, and perhaps a major battle tournament where Ash uses ALL of his Pokemon against people from his past. All culminating in a final Ash episode where Ash reiterates his dream to be a Pokemon Master and walks off into the sunset with Pikachu. Fin. Not a horrible rush job, just because Ash is the Champion of Alola and we don't care and we move on with something else.

But I will consider this a win for Ash regardless, it makes no sense to belittle Ash when Ash has shown to be (in regards to the league) the strongest trainer, with Gladion only edging above him (like rivals are supposed to be for the protagonist). We've constantly seen his battles and his progress MORE than any character in the show. And while I'm sure there are suspicious reasonings, like Lycanroc defeating all of Nanu's Pokemon only to lose to Gladion's Lycanroc later, which creates this weird power logic problem, but I guess it comes down to strategy there.

I mean there was never any reason for Gladion to even be as strong as he was, and likely only had strong Pokemon because of their inherently raw power (like he who will not be named's Pokemon in Unova) he even completed the trials AFTER Ash. True I do get that Hapu wasn't the Kahuna yet, but look at how long it took for Gladion to defeat her or to even challenge her (more accurately), either he was doing other trials or he actually did fail against her, OR even maybe he was too busy doing other things.

But being a rival shouldn't have been an excuse for Gladion to be as strong as he was. Sure there's the whole Lillie protecting concept, but the anime is very different than the games, some of that motivation is lost however, outside of a normal brother caring for his sister. Though I do wonder if Lillie's trauma kind of made up for not being abducted by Team Skull. But even still stronger than Ash? Like other trainers, sure, but Ash? Only because he's the rival?

That's why I think Ash deserves this, at the very least he deserves this because he only has to defeat Gladion, and I do think Gladion could be defeated by Ash if the writers would stop screwing him over. And if Ash defeats Gladion then he deserves to win the league.
 
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