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September 15th: SM139 - He's Born! The Alolan League Winner!!

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by Dephender, Sep 5, 2019.

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  1. Blue Saturday

    Blue Saturday too fly

    • Incredible emotion throughout the series like when he comforted and was empathetic toward Bebenom after the Minior passed, sobbed over Lugarugan or got pissed at Kuchinasu.
    • Helped all his friends develop or accompanied them in some way (supporting Lillie during the Hoshigumo arc. or training with Kaki)
    • Dynamic Pokemon who were lively and character-focused, he respected their fidelity. Caught Meltan, Iwanko, Nyabby and Mukuroh because they asked but let Bebenom go because he had to protect his world.
    • Actually properly utilizes the Z-Move mechanic of the generation. Got SatoPika-Z as well Lugarugan-Z to boot and the Z-Power Ring!
    • Loved and respected Alola’s culture and constantly showed he thought it was incredible clearly loving things like Battle Royales, Alola forms and Ride Pokemon.
    • Had a timeless encounter with Kid!Kukui and inspired the league on top of helping save jaded Dia’s ruined world from Akuziking as well as his good boi energy helping save Guzma’s heart and restore his smile. The child that affected adult figures.
    • Allowed Iwanko to evolve into what it wants on its own terms, supported Nyabby throughout its arc. with Mooland’s death, cried over Bebenom’s release and was hesitant of doing so.
    • Gave Pikachu a real rival in Mimikyu which it took his most incredible Z-Move to beat.
    • Reunited with his friends and mother from the start his journey regularly and kept them up to date on things.
    • Caught his first legendary/mythical ‘mon, beat his first evil team boss, wins his first league ever on top of it, no last minute dream crusher appears and muddles the affair.
    • The trainer of the Sun, raised and connected to the Emissary of the Sun, Solgaleo. Rivaled the trainer of the Moon and came out on top by the end of things. A good representation of a 10-year-old powerful trainer but also a kid still at the end of the day.
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2019
  2. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    Now this is what I call an amazing summary of some of Ash’s major accomplishments in Alola! He definitely deserves this League win if he hangs in there.:D
     
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  3. mehmeh1

    mehmeh1 #TEAMSOBBLE

    He also defeated Lysandre (with Alain and Malva's help, but still, he was the MVP of the fight)
    While I think Mezase fits, it'd feel like a waste if they didn't use Type:Wild after bringing it back for this arc for seemingly no reason (though if it plays against MR I'll be satisfied)
     
  4. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

    The kid does this in every region and it didn't help him win the other leagues that do require much more effort. I'd argue he did way much more in previous regions due to all the COTDs getting in the way.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2019
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  5. Ash wins, is a step closer to become a Pokémon master. What is the next step?
     
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  6. Ambyssin

    Ambyssin Winter can't come soon enough

    Turning eleven.
     
  7. We will have to wait another 20 years for that to happen xD
     
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  8. Miky

    Miky 米歇尔

    I thought Satoshi was already eleven in Alola, iirc you need to be 11 to do alolan trials LMFAO

    On a serious note, look I get the images and the spoilers, but despite the fact it's from official Pokemon, and the fact that he's holding a trophy, I want to remain skeptical. I don't want this to end up like XYZ league 2.0...

    I wasn't too disappointed, but peoples were upset by that. I don't want to hope too much for Satoshi right now. We'll just wait and see how it plays out.
     
  9. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    Timeskip. With the anime going through a big change for Gen 8 now is the best time
     
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  10. Emelie

    Emelie Bookworm

    I wish the next episode wasn't about Guzzlord. It has already gotten focus in earlier episodes. They should have focused on what it means for Satoshi to win a league and how it will make him one step closer to achieving his goal.

    I think this is super important since so far the league has been seen as a kind of goalpost for Satoshi.

    I also hope he doesn't lose to Kukui because that would really undermine his victory. I'm worried that they will use his loss to avoid the subject of what happens after he wins the league by saying that he still has a lot to learn since he lost against Kukui.
     
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  11. Bortgreen

    Bortgreen The incredible world of PokéMon!

    Maybe this is SM141? It would make sense for them to hide the title
     
  12. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

    Depends on what you think it's a Pokemon Master. Because no one knows what that is.
     
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  13. Emelie

    Emelie Bookworm

    Mabye they could tie together the plot with Guzzlord and Satoshi being unsure of what happens after he wins the league? Satoshi remembers the destruction that happened in the alternate universe and it makes his resolve to protect his own universe even stronger.

    I hope it's not something sappy as "I must protect everyone!" but he actually realizes that this is too great of a burden for one ten year old kid to bear on his own. Sun and Moon focuses a lot on building strong bonds with a smaller cast so mabye this would fit the themes of the series.

    They could even tie this together with the new anime which might feature the old companions. Mabye Satoshi and all the companions form some kind of brigage with each character being assigned a certain role?
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2019
  14. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    I feel like SM kinda tested Ash's agency more than previous series often did. SM was probably the quintessential series to demonstrate that battling is just one of many agendas a Pokemon trainer can have, and there can be many occupations and accomplishments that aren't even remotely connected to it. Some series dabbled in this but a lot of the time they still kept battling in SOME recurrent form with each character's goals or at least made them superficially develop through it, while SM makes it share focus way more. We establish companions that are in their element with other things, and many of Ash's quests or roles involve equipping himself to new non-battling tasks, or sometimes even just standing still and delving into things more intimately than before, with formula less liable to dominate and do the job for him. Ash no longer hits a brick wall if he can't do the same thing over and over.

    XY shown Ash as incredibly complacent and in control in his element of battling and virtues, so it fits to make him a fish out of water in all these new situations but keep battling as the thing he is succinctly graceful in, compared to the companions who excel in the non-battling niches he flunks at but are shown struggling at battling even at this late a point. Thus when it comes to other power related accomplishments like winning the league within such an inexperienced roster or catching a mythical, they keep a similar succinctness about it. They've expanded plot ideas enough that Ash is no longer stuck unable to top his stance if he does those things. As the time travel episode questioned, what comes next? He still needs to explore that.
     
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  15. Doppelgänger

    Doppelgänger Superancient Member

    Other series didn't shy away showing human/Pokemon occupations, this is actually one of the common skeletons for the COTD plots. The major difference is that Alola is convincing as a different culture from every other prior region, so by showing those occupations multiple times with the same people, it reinforces the idea that these are legitimate jobs and not thinly drawn background for filler plots.

    The worldbuilding of Alola is unparalleled, and while I prefer the mysterious and magical element of early OS, fleshing out the setting elevated all of the drama and storylines within it.
     
  16. ashsfuture

    ashsfuture Well-Known Member

    We've known for good while that if Ash won a league his journey won't end per say, but it's just the next step for him overall so what does come next that's the next path that the anime needs to focus on. In the past it has always been go to the next region to try to win that league and Ash has done really well throughout the series top 16, top 8 3 times, top 4, top 2, and seems to be winning the Alola league(still waiting to see the episode itself). So is the next step the champions league? the one thing that got brought up in Sinnoh and Unova in both the dubbed/subbed even now this adds more questions to the next chapter in the series since the only thing we know so far is that all the regions are going to be in this series. Once again they're taking the anime in a new direction.
     
  17. Bortgreen

    Bortgreen The incredible world of PokéMon!

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  18. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

  19. Bortgreen

    Bortgreen The incredible world of PokéMon!

    Not to mention it teases Silvally reveal...
    In fact a full circle.
     
  20. Blue Saturday

    Blue Saturday too fly

    I give the anime props for moving forward with the character in an honest manner. SWSH offers the perfect skeleton for another potential growth arc. in his trainer career with the league and all seemingly taking on an Olympic-style level of presentation and the offers of endorsement as well potential corruption running amuck with the likes of Chairman Rose’s speculated shadiness. Alola’s lesser sense of grandeur still provides room for growth without walling off the character’s progression. What will happen? Only time will tell but inspiring, establishing and winning the first league in a region is one helluva resume achievement. I once again have to praise S&M for breaking away from stagnate formula and innovating the characters and world in an eccentric yet genuine manner.

    Exactly, you could list off a number of non-battle related assets related to Satoshi because his character wasn’t established and run by battles. He could be a good “father” to Hoshigumo-chan and Bebenom without them being “fighters,” he could innovate in ways to solve the Ultra Beast issues outside of just battling like putting on a performance. He was able to teach and help with Zeroroa and Dia with regaining more drive to help save their world, he could understand though it was hard that Bebenom only came to his world for a mission and that he had to understand he was a protector first and foremost and not “his” Pokemon. Point being Satoshi was allowed roles and developments that simply weren’t laced to battles/fights. They focused on the agency and integrity of the character outside of battling.

    It’s S&M, they opened the door with young!Kukui’s questioning what comes after a league win and actually followed there and gave him the league victory, and had Professor Kukui envision a fight between Satoshi/himself. As I said before there’s quite the potential for a narrative spillover into SWSH. Still the next series remains a mystery but with this series actually breaking away from the usual formula I feel like the writers are trying to innovate and making SWSH a more “sporty” saga and slowly amp up the intensity in terms of Satoshi’s goals and progesssion. Perhaps even craft him new goals outside of Pokemon Master and league victories. There was enough narrative work and character delving done with the character where a victory in a character-based league feels earned.

    We saw everyone learn from their losses this league and become a better person, with Satoshi we don’t have to because we already know. He has the experience and personhood to win a league of this caliber so just let him have it. No strings attached. They laid the groundwork for this so I’m glad they had the balls to follow through.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2019
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