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September 22nd: SM140 - Akuziking Attacks! The Decisive Z-Move Battle!!

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TheWanderingMist

Paladin of the Snow Queen
No. Darkrai was at least 80-90% against Sceptile,sure it's not 1 on 1 but Sceptile still won against trained legendary same how he would beat Melmetal and Silvally. Darkrai is not stronger than Alain's MCX. Lmao that beast would steamroll entire Alola league.
Yes they would block Dark Pulse: Charizard, Pikachu, Infernape, Sceptile and maybe even Snorlax. Post SInnoh: A-Greninja easily with shuriken. Brandon's Regirock and Registeel would've been beaten by A-G ,Peakachu and even current Charizard.
Darkrai doesn't need to be stronger than MCX. It just needs to constantly put it to sleep and get off constant damage with its Ability and restore health using Dream Eater.

Also, MCX loses to Counter considering it deals twice the force back.
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
Darkrai doesn't need to be stronger than MCX. It just needs to constantly put it to sleep and get off constant damage with its Ability and restore health using Dream Eater.

Also, MCX loses to Counter considering it deals twice the force back.

Charizard dodges it or wakes up like Sceptile and beats it with Dragon Claw.Or hits it with DC and slice it up.
Yeah, similar how D-L lost to Counter after M-L's Counter like 3-4 times. MCX would beat D-L and M-L even if they fight together against him.
 

ash&charizardfan

Humans are tools
Kalos team > Sinnoh team > BF team(with Sceptile) > Kanto/OI team > Alola team > Hoenn team > Unova team > Johto team.

I don't know where it could rival other teams where it's only stronger than Hoenn, Unova and Johto team.

I would put hoenn team above sinnoh team, both sceptile and infernape are even with sceptile having more experience and i would put team of swellow, glalie, corphish and torkoal over the team of gliscor, straptor, buizel and torterra.

No. Darkrai was at least 80-90% against Sceptile,sure it's not 1 on 1 but Sceptile still won against trained legendary same how he would beat Melmetal and Silvally. Darkrai is not stronger than Alain's MCX. Lmao that beast would steamroll entire Alola league.
Yes they would block Dark Pulse: Charizard, Pikachu, Infernape, Sceptile and maybe even Snorlax. Post SInnoh: A-Greninja easily with shuriken. Brandon's Regirock and Registeel would've been beaten by A-G ,Peakachu and even current Charizard.

No, Darkrai isn't unstoppable and Melmetal even if he trained he'd be strong but still fall short to at least A-G, Peakachu and Charizard. Naganadel on other hand no way he'd be unstoppable. I don't see it entering Ash's Top 6.

Some of people live in there own dream world, they think any pokemon who has higher stats in games will be OP in the anime, it was similar during XY series with goodra where people hyped it over the moon before it even evolved.

As for darkrai, it wasn't heavily damaged at all, darkrai was able to recover some of its strength everytime it was using dream eater and it used that 4 times so it was still had around 80% of its strength left.Alain's MCX defeated an E ace enroute to beating 10 trainers with ME, that thing is in league of its own. Pokemon like melmetal,silvally or naganadel should not be anywhere near it calibre. If AG can counter blast burn with its shuriken then it will easily counter dark pulse.

Forget about naganadel none of the alolan pokemon as of now without there z move will come anywhere near ash's top 10 pokemon, all of them had far better feats as compared to alolan team.
 

Dragalge

"Orange" Magical Girl
Lol you want naganadel to flip downwards and start spinning, would admit that would be a sight to watch.
Wouldn’t be too surprising considering the bottom half of Naganadel is actually its brain!

Actually didn’t someone point out that the preview showed it twirling already?
 

Doppelgänger

Superancient Member
No. Darkrai was at least 80-90% against Sceptile,sure it's not 1 on 1 but Sceptile still won against trained legendary same how he would beat Melmetal and Silvally. Darkrai is not stronger than Alain's MCX. Lmao that beast would steamroll entire Alola league.

Dream Eater restores 50% of the damage dealt. There is no possible way that Dream Eater OHKO's while also restoring 80-100% health. That's not how the move works.

MCX lost to another Mega Pokemon (Blastoise) in 1v1 combat. It took the combined efforts of three Pokemon to defeat Darkrai, two of which were Ash's regional aces.
 

Revolver Furious Dragon

Well-Known Member
Ideas about naganadel moveset

- toxic
- dragon pulse
- air cutter/slash
- poison jab
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
Dream Eater restores 50% of the damage dealt. There is no possible way that Dream Eater OHKO's while also restoring 80-100% health. That's not how the move works.

MCX lost to another Mega Pokemon (Blastoise) in 1v1 combat. It took the combined efforts of three Pokemon to defeat Darkrai, two of which were Ash's regional aces.
Lol no. I am not saying it's restoring 80-90% of health when it beats 1 Pokemon but saying that Darkrai was 80-90% when he was battling Sceptile. He was hit with Megahorn and then used Dark Void to go back 100% or near 100. Gible hit it with Rock Smash which was weak move( Darkrai wasn't hurting BTW).

Lol no. hahahahahha. You do understand that that MB was from E4, right? You also do understand that MCX beat 10 Pokemon which one was also E4( probably little bit weaker than Blastoise), based on this MCX would have beaten MB as of now. @345ash-greninja just look at this hahahha.This guy thinks Tobias' Darkrai >Alain's MCX xD
 

Red and Blue

Well-Known Member
Wouldn’t be too surprising considering the bottom half of Naganadel is actually its brain!

Actually didn’t someone point out that the preview showed it twirling already?
Yeah it was spinning in circles when Pikachu went to hug it.

Now I'm curious to see what Melmetal and Nagandel think of each other
 

ash&charizardfan

Humans are tools
Dream Eater restores 50% of the damage dealt. There is no possible way that Dream Eater OHKO's while also restoring 80-100% health. That's not how the move works.

MCX lost to another Mega Pokemon (Blastoise) in 1v1 combat. It took the combined efforts of three Pokemon to defeat Darkrai, two of which were Ash's regional aces.

Lol that mega blastoise belonged to one of the E4 and on top of that alian was still a relatively new trainer by that time, he did beat an E4 in ME4. And heracross would hardly count as an ace since it had trouble beating nando's krikitune. Lol sceptile+Heracross+Gible<<MCX. MCX and AG are two of the pokemon shown in the anime that had gone head to head with E4 or champions they are on different level as compared to other pokemon belonging to non E4/Champions. Use your bain before making juvenile assumptions.
 

TheWanderingMist

Paladin of the Snow Queen
Charizard dodges it or wakes up like Sceptile and beats it with Dragon Claw.Or hits it with DC and slice it up.
Yeah, similar how D-L lost to Counter after M-L's Counter like 3-4 times. MCX would beat D-L and M-L even if they fight together against him.
If they battle in Alola, MCX won't be treated as an unbeatable Pokemon like it was in Kalos. If they battle in Kalos, Lycanroc will get a power boost significant enough to be able to take on MCX.

Note that Alain didn't even try to just beat Ash with MCX in their final battle when logically the first thing he should've done was send out and Mega Evolve Charizard because "it easily could've taken any of Ash's team not named Greninja" (according to most of its fanboys). Despite this, a worn-out Pikachu still managed to bring its base form to its knees with few attacks.
 

Revolver Furious Dragon

Well-Known Member
We still haven't seen both guzzlord together so I'm still thinking the shiny is just a boosted up form of the regular one.

That or they defeat the regular guzzlord then the shiny shows up.
https://cho-animedia.jp/anime/121936/

New images. We could see the Alolan Raichu Z move from Hau

Are these pictures in chronological order?
 

ash&charizardfan

Humans are tools
If they battle in Alola, MCX won't be treated as an unbeatable Pokemon like it was in Kalos. If they battle in Kalos, Lycanroc will get a power boost significant enough to be able to take on MCX.

Note that Alain didn't even try to just beat Ash with MCX in their final battle when logically the first thing he should've done was send out and Mega Evolve Charizard because "it easily could've taken any of Ash's team not named Greninja" (according to most of its fanboys). Despite this, a worn-out Pikachu still managed to bring its base form to its knees with few attacks.

What BS is that, why wouldn't be MCX be treated as unbeatable in alola besides the calibre of trainers in alola is even lower than that of kalos and why would lycannroc be given a powerboost in kalos, just compare the feats achieved by MCX who took down 10 trainers with ME plus an E4 ace, was able to hold off champions ace even able to force it to ME (even gaining acknowlegement form champion) and was able to take on some hits from primal duo in there primal form and then compare them to that of lycannroc whose only feat is beating a kahuna by himself and barely edging out gladion's midnight form. It would be oneshot from MCX.

Alain could have used MCX earlier but he wanted to save it for battle with AG later on, his use of charizard was a testament to pikachu's strength who forced him to use charizard.
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
If they battle in Alola, MCX won't be treated as an unbeatable Pokemon like it was in Kalos. If they battle in Kalos, Lycanroc will get a power boost significant enough to be able to take on MCX.

Note that Alain didn't even try to just beat Ash with MCX in their final battle when logically the first thing he should've done was send out and Mega Evolve Charizard because "it easily could've taken any of Ash's team not named Greninja" (according to most of its fanboys). Despite this, a worn-out Pikachu still managed to bring its base form to its knees with few attacks.
MCX wouldn't be treated differenrly because that's his battle power. No, he wouldn't get BS boost, why didn't Greninja beat MCX with random BS boost( not saying A-G is BS boost but saying like boost within A-G aka boost above that Orange shuriken), then?Lycanroc wouldn't get jack. That was Peakachu of course he would do that. Also why did not Alain send MCX first? Because Ash would send A-G then lol
 
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345ash-greninja

Auto-Memories Doll
I'm open to discussion. I didn't give it much serious thought.
Rowlet learned Brave Bird at the lowest evolution stage of the three. It also has access to Bloom Doom, with its best feat defeating Dartrix through a x4 Grass resistance.
Staraptor has a much better coverage move in Close Combat and used it to beat Paul's Honchkrow, which had previously defeated a Dragonite. This is probably the best feat between the three, although not a KO.
Talonflame has the most variety in its moves, and was able to use Flame Charge to defeat another Talonflame while it was a Fletchinder. I guess its most notable win was against Meowstic?

After breaking it down, Staraptor is better. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see anything Talonflame did that gives it a distinct edge.

Can't really say much if you really think that the jobber-bird Staraptor was better than Talonflame, who consistently contributed almost in each and every Gym battle.

What were Staraptor's big feats again? It was absolute fodder in the latter part of DP, especially in the all-important rivalry climax battle against Paul. Struggled against Gastrodon like hell (whom Buizel easily dispatched afterwards) without contributing jack, had to be recalled and then afterwards got destroyed by Paul's Drapion like an ant. That's all its contribution basically was in the SL Paul battle, being absolute and total jobber.

And don't bring up that weak Honchkrow feat here to prove that is had such an "amazing feat" or anything, because nothing Staraptor did there was enough to prove that it was stronger or matter of the fact, even on equal level with Honchkrow. It was a Pokeringer, not even an actual battle. Staraptor did not KO Honchkrow or anything like that, it managed to just outsmart Honchkrow in that bout to steal the ring from Honchkrow's at the right time and win the Pokeringer for Ash. That's all. All that shows is that Staraptor is capable of giving trouble to Honchkrow (which it did), that's all, but not even once Staraptor was ever even close to KO'ing Honchkrow or anything like that, given Honchkrow was still going strong and looked it pretty good shape at the end as we saw.

And then again, Paul's Honchkrow is pretty overrated and nothing that much special either. Its biggest feats are beating a totally out-of-sync Maylene's Meditite and Machoke while having type advantage, defeating a below average Grotle 2 times which had several mobitlity and battling issues (not impressive at all) and OHKO'ing a pathetically weak Dragonite which was even much weaker than freaking Staravia (Staravia certainly did way better than Dragonite, tanking multiple attacks....while Dragonite went down in 1 direct hit). None of it's feats are all that impressive in the first place, so let's not act like as if it's some epic tier opponent.

While Talonflame made strong contributions in almost each and every official Gym battle Ash fought in (Viola, Korrina, Ramos, Valerie & that epic double battle with Olympia), and has feats like defeating Wulfric's beastly Avalugg (who basically swept Ash's team in the 1st battle with Wulfric), having a pretty amazing and epic sky battle with Alain's Unfezant which had stunning display of aerial flying speed and pretty intense move-clashes. It performed quite well in the League, both in the battles with Sawyer and Alain, unlike Staraptor, who was basically a flop in the League, being dead meat in the battle with Paul.

Still you're gonna say that the jobber-bird Staraptor is apparently somehow better that Talonflame, eh?

Dream Eater restores 50% of the damage dealt. There is no possible way that Dream Eater OHKO's while also restoring 80-100% health. That's not how the move works.

MCX lost to another Mega Pokemon (Blastoise) in 1v1 combat. It took the combined efforts of three Pokemon to defeat Darkrai, two of which were Ash's regional aces.

You do realize that said Mega Blastoise belonged to a freaking E4, a.k.a. it was an E4 Mega Evolved Pokemon, right? E4 members have curbstomped Ash from time to time, the biggest example being Flint's Infernape obliterating Ash's Infernape (his Sinnoh ace) in a single hit. They are completely on another level.

MCX took down 10 Mega Evolved Pokemon in a row, including and E4 Member Malva's Mega Evolved Ace in Mega Houndoom....beating an E4 Mega Evolved ace, despite being weakened and exhausted by battling & defeating 9 Megas beforehand. Which is far superior than anything Darkrai did.
 

Revolver Furious Dragon

Well-Known Member
I wonder if ash will find out about the full battle here and ask naganadel to stay for it.
 

Revolver Furious Dragon

Well-Known Member
Either he will tell Nagandel here or next week. It would definitely be happy to stay and help Ash in gratitude for saving its home

What I meant was will he actually ask. Or will he just turn up to the battle with it and were to assume he asked off screen
 
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