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September 29th: SM141 - Final Battle! Satoshi VS Kukui!!

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by Dephender, Sep 5, 2019.

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  1. Dephender

    Dephender Gizakawayusu Staff Member Moderator

    Yes, there's been previous Kalos Leagues. My point is Alola is the only region in the entire anime that has a "League Champion". Just because winning the Alola league makes you "Champion of the Alola League" does not mean winning the Kalos League makes you "Champion of the Kalos League".

    Or in short:
    "Winner of the Alola League": Equivalent to "Champion of the Alola League". This is Satoshi.
    "Winner of the Kalos League": This is Alan.

    "Champion of the Alola League": Equivalent to "winner of the Alola League". This is Satoshi.
    "Champion of the Kalos League": This term does not exist.

    "Champion of the Kalos region": This is Carne.
    "Champion of the Alola region": This term does not exist. (EDIT: It does not exist today. In the past there were people that held this position)

    Does this finally clear things up?
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2019
  2. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    So Lycanroc from the looks of it is Ash's lead off Pokemon... too bad we don't see the scoreboard to see if Ash decides to switch or if Doggo really is the fall guy
     
  3. GarchompChain

    GarchompChain Well-Known Member

    It does for me.
     
  4. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    Interestingly they showed Incineroar and Kukui meditating together in the Oha Suta preview.
     
  5. JC317

    JC317 Well-Known Member

    Gotta pad out the episode somehow
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2019
  6. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Oh, look. A comment."

    Apparently, the dark wrestler isn't that much of a stereotype of rowdy wrestlers. Who knew.

    Kukui, let your other teammates meditate with you two. They deserve to prepare together as a nakama/ohana. Have you not learned that from Ash.
     
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  7. Ignition

    Ignition Champion SZN

    He didn’t even invite his lifelong friend Incineroar to his wedding. Guess he doesn’t like having his entire team out
     
  8. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Oh, look. A comment."

    He knows Incineroar is a big crybaby during weddings and would disrupt the wedding vows.

    ...But still.

    Kukui is even darker than Lusamine.
     
  9. Twilight-Kun

    Twilight-Kun Pokemon World Champion

    Lycanroc's story is over, so it can get annihilated out of the gate and we lose nothing
     
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  10. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Gaganga, Keeper of the Gates Impartial

    I'm pretty sure that "nakama" and "ohana" are two separate concepts, as one is "friends/comrades" and the other is "family, and family means no one gets left behind". Though I don't know which Incineroar would fit into, given that we never see it except when Kukui is MR.
     
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  11. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    I know, I just feel kinda bad is all. Lycanroc is such a cool Pokemon in general
     
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  12. Master Pikachu 11

    Master Pikachu 11 Well-Known Member

    Yes this Torracat’s time to shine now. It was able to get one win in this league now it needs to take the next step and beat it’s rival
     
  13. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Oh, look. A comment."

    Yeah, but not in this episode. Has to be the very final match of the league.

    I did not watch Kukui shirtless and pretend to be someone else just to have some upstart take the buildup away from the Trial-Hating cat!
     
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  14. Lord Godwin

    Lord Godwin The Lord of Darkness

    Final beta: will we see aby other of Kukui's Pokemon in 141 besides Incineroar?

    Also can't wait for 142 preview.
     
  15. Doppelgänger

    Doppelgänger Superancient Member

    "Alolan Champion" has been used before by someone credible:

    SM115
    ライチ: 「それわまさにアローラのチャンピオンを決めるバトルだと思います」

    Jessie and James both use "Alolan Champion" and "Pokemon League Champion" in the same episode, but they are lazy and not very credible. It could be that different screen writers consider the term interchangeable, or aren't even considering it at all.
     
  16. Lord Starfish

    Lord Starfish Fond of owls

    The same episode also had Kukui specifically saying that the League was a tournament "to determine the strongest trainer in Alola; The Champion!"
    ポケモンリーグは至ってシンプル。 誰がこのアローラ地方で いちばん強いのか チャンピオンを決める大会です。
     
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  17. Dephender

    Dephender Gizakawayusu Staff Member Moderator

    Indeed, but she wasn't talking about the league there, but about those long-gone battles on Lanakila Mountain. She's not saying the league determines the Champion of the Alola region, but that in the past, Alola used to have battles that did this. They then go on to break down the difference between those battles and the league.

    Yep. As I've pointed out earlier, they keep calling the winner "Champion of the Alola League", and often just shortening it to "Champion", both in the show itself, in summaries and in magazines. But they never say "Champion of the Alola Region". That was my point when I broke down the terms they use in that earlier post.

    (it's also somewhat amusing that the new TV-kun scan spends most of its time talking about how it's a very real possibility that the strongest Trainer in Alola is Kukui and not the fresh champion of the league)

    EDIT: Also, another thing that came to mind - remember how they've constantly being going on about "the first ever champion in Alolan history" and all that jazz? In SM115 Lychee specifically mentioned that in the past, Alola DID have regional Champions just like all other regions, complete with some vaguely-alluded to battles for determining who the Champion was. Surely that's a pretty good indication that "the first ever Champion of the Alola League" is something different from these Alolan champions that were a thing in the past, otherwise he wouldn't be the first.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2019
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  18. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    Well looks like no knockouts will happen this episode. Lycanroc gets recalled and Incineroar vs. Torracat will conclude in the following in
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2019
  19. Bortgreen

    Bortgreen UP NE-Let's just appreciate this for this week

    I wouldn't be surprised if Kukui reveals he used to be one in the past
    And later he pulled a Gary and changed his focus to researching
     
  20. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Oh, look. A comment."

    Of all times, Ash had to get a very controversial champion title.

    Thank you for making your own made-up lore confusing, anime director.
     
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