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September 29th: SM141 - Final Battle! Satoshi VS Kukui!!

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Twilight-Kun

Pokemon World Champion
(it's also somewhat amusing that the new TV-kun scan spends most of its time talking about how it's a very real possibility that the strongest Trainer in Alola is Kukui and not the fresh champion of the league)
Kukui is absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, stronger than Ash

Notice how all of Kukui's pokémon are fully evolved and probably haven't won battles on technicalities or favoritism
 

nameman

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His team's stronger than Ash's current team. Is Kukui stronger than Ash himself? That's more up to debate.
 

Twilight-Kun

Pokemon World Champion
His team's stronger than Ash's current team. Is Kukui stronger than Ash himself? That's more up to debate.
Kukui has owned and trained his pokémon twice the length of Ash's current lifespan

And before people start saying "well if Ash had his ace team" as far as SM is concerned, the only other Ace Ash owns is...

None, actually, because we didn't see any of them

"But Charizard-"

Wasn't at Oak's Ranch, so Ash can't call for it, wherever it is now
 

AuraChannelerChris

The Dragon / "Dog"
Notice how all of Kukui's pokémon are fully evolved and probably haven't won battles on technicalities or favoritism
Too bad around 76% of them haven't seen the light of day for...director-knows-when, so they're rusty enough to get trampled by...

Ash's Rowlet.

You know.

The sleeper.
 

Twilight-Kun

Pokemon World Champion
Friendly reminder that Ash was ten years, ten months, and ten days old when he started his journey

He's been through seven regions and leagues, and has yet to turn eleven

He's done all this in less than seven weeks

He is THE Pokémon Speedrunner

(Seven regions, seven leagues, seven weeks...hm...does seem like a good place to end his career, doesn't it?)
 

Ignition

Love when the mods can’t do their jobs properly
To the surprise of no one, Incineroar vs Torracat is the first match
 

Mr-Nightmare_420

Just a dude who enjoys pokemon
His team's stronger than Ash's current team. Is Kukui stronger than Ash himself? That's more up to debate.
Have we seen Kukui lift a tree and chuck that mf to the side? Nope. No competition, Ash is the strongest in the verse.
 

Revolver Furious Dragon

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To the surprise of no one, Incineroar vs Torracat is the first match
It's incineroar Vs lycanroc.

Unless lycanroc is recalled immediately after being sent out. Which is possible I suppose especially if ash knows torracat wants to battle incineroar
 

AJ97

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Kukui has owned and trained his pokémon twice the length of Ash's current lifespan

And before people start saying "well if Ash had his ace team" as far as SM is concerned, the only other Ace Ash owns is...

None, actually, because we didn't see any of them

"But Charizard-"

Wasn't at Oak's Ranch, so Ash can't call for it, wherever it is now
Age doesn't mean anything. Lance is much younger than Agatha who is as old as Oak and an E4 trainer. Yet, he is considered to be stronger than her. Volkner and Flint are of the same age, yet Flint is significantly stronger than Volkner and even Ash who is much younger than Volkner, is stronger than the latter.

The problem with the alola region is, there isn't really any trainers of a certain level of credibility to help guage how strong Kukui really is. I mean Kukui could be several times stronger than the entirety of alola, yet get butchered against a 1 v 1 against a Champion, E4 member, Alain's MCX. Or possibly be even very high tier trainers like Tobias and his Darkrai or even Brandon and his team of regis.

The only think you can say for a fact is ideally, except Pikachu, none of Ash's current team should be capable of doing squat against Kukui's team. Idc whether melmetal and Naganadel are ultra beasts. Kukui's base alola team should be much more experienced and stronger and be capable of taking them out easily if Ash's charizard/pikachu/sceptile can take out legendaries themselves.
 

Revolver Furious Dragon

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Actually we have the third preview ( the 30 secs video ). They showed incineroar vs torracat in the first battle.
So ash calls out lycanroc. Then seeing kukui uses incineroar immediately switches for torracat. makes sense
 

Revolver Furious Dragon

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No no, he mean Ash send Torracat first thing. The VS card show that
So it's been changed then. Guess last week was an error.

So we know

Torracat Vs incineroar
Lycanroc Vs incineroar
Lycanroc Vs braviary
Rowlett Vs venusaur

Not looking good for torracat
 

Fire_Phoenix

Active Member
So it's been changed then. Guess last week was an error.

So we know

Torracat Vs incineroar
Lycanroc Vs incineroar
Lycanroc Vs braviary
Rowlett Vs venusaur

Not looking good for torracat
The scoreboard show that Torracat isn't gray-out, so it can also mean that Torracat get call back to let Lycanroc fight with Incineroar; or Incineroar does indeed using Roar to troll Ash
 
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